Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #mojo, 2011-09-03

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00:48 perlrocks Twitter: "@koos It's mojolicious! http://img.ly/7ZZ6" --tmschndr http://twitter.com/tmschndr​/status/109789901108690944
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02:44 tempire is the sub keyword really necessary for lite actions?
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03:32 alnewkirk perusing the Mojolicious Plugin namespace, ... nice stuff there
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06:16 crab i also put actions at the top and functions at the bottom
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06:52 perlrocks Twitter: "# Linux # opensource Mojolicious:: Plugin:: YamlConfig 0.1.2 http://t.co/q0ynUJb # DhilipSiva" (id) --DhilipSiva_linx http://twitter.com/DhilipSiva_​linx/status/109881361610973184
06:55 * tempire switches back to monaco font
06:57 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious::Plugin::YamlConfig 0.1.2: YAML Configuration Plugin http://t.co/hKCbuYU" --lordnaastik http://twitter.com/lordnaast​ik/status/109882626189426688
06:57 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious::Plugin::YamlConfig 0.1.2: YAML Configuration Plugin http://t.co/u0lID7q" --J03_PY http://twitter.com/J03_PY/​status/109882626659196928
07:00 perlrocks Twitter: "# Linux # opensource Mojolicious:: Plugin:: YamlConfig 0.1.2 http://t.co/Ux68y9n # DhilipSiva" (id) --lugbikaner http://twitter.com/lugbikane​r/status/109883334640934914
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07:27 tempire ooooh
07:27 tempire you know what mojo commands really need
07:27 tempire syntax highlighting
07:27 purl i think syntax highlighting is scintilla
07:28 tempire that's probably a hella big can o worms
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07:50 alnewkirk also, perl -Ilib script/myapp actions ... perl -Ilib script/myapp orphan-actions
07:54 * sri yawns
08:01 crab tempire: er, what?
08:01 tempire output from mojo get
08:02 sri mojo get | vim?
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09:02 perlrocks Twitter: "robertjacobsen.net now runs on Mojolicious; on morbo with nginx proxying & caching in front. Should I run any other server than morbo?" --robertjacobsen http://twitter.com/robertjacob​sen/status/109914035025223680
09:12 sri wonder what would happen if we removed all uses of utf8::is_utf8
09:13 sri guess many apps depemd on it
09:13 sri s/m/n/
09:14 sri which sucks quite a bit, considering we even made the render_text/render_data distinction
09:21 Grauwolf we have screenshots :) https://github.com/Grauwolf/​newsthingy/wiki/Screenshots
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09:56 sri hmm
09:57 sri this is going to suck, there will be lots of complaints because we are breaking backwards compatibility
10:01 sri seems like handling unicode incorrectly is the better alternative
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10:26 GitHub75 [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/iQNh2A
10:26 GitHub75 [mojo/master] improved unicode handling to be more correct and less forgiving - Sebastian Riedel
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10:26 sri fingers crossed
10:26 sri this will break badly written apps
10:26 sri lets hope most people grok unicode :S
10:33 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.97 by SRI - http://t.co/p4GbpBT" (ms) --cpan_new http://twitter.com/cpan_new​/status/109936952844886016
10:33 perlrocks Twitter: "Chill down my spine every time it is updated by using the practice Mojolicious" (ja) --fuba http://twitter.com/fuba/status/109937122886156288
10:39 perlrocks Twitter: "Gonna try more correct unicode handling in #mojolicious for a bit and remove all bad workarounds. http://t.co/nNBZZvu #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/109938527554379776
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10:42 GitHub126 [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/cXzhFQ
10:42 GitHub126 [mojo/master] more tests - Sebastian Riedel
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10:47 GitHub64 [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/gE2D_A
10:47 GitHub64 [mojo/master] even more tests - Sebastian Riedel
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10:48 perlrocks Twitter: "nice! RT @kraih: Gonna try more correct unicode handling in #mojolicious for a bit and remove all bad workarounds. http://t.co/r2jOoNU #perl" --ttyS1 http://twitter.com/ttyS1/status/109940776544378880
10:50 * sri is scared
10:52 sri well, this would be a lot worse if we didn't handle encoding so well on the Mojolicious layer
10:54 sri at least Mojo::Util is still experimental, those were the only workarounds with tests :)
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13:19 perlrocks Twitter: "pkgbox.de is progressing. Stuff for #devops about #unix, #perl and wonderful things such as #mojolicious" --rabenfeder http://twitter.com/rabenfede​r/status/109978919897280512
13:20 marcus Phear
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16:05 perlrocks Twitter: "Do you integrate TT or T::A with #mojolicious if u do then how? thx T::A looks g8 RT @marcusramberg: ..replace TT w Template::Alloy? #perl" --ttyS1 http://twitter.com/ttyS1/status/110020661396774912
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17:48 diegok Hello, how do I make my -> use lib "$FindBin::Bin/lib" work when running under morbo?
17:49 sri generate a normal app and look how the myapp script deals with the problem
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17:53 diegok sri: ok :)
17:57 perlrocks Twitter: "@ttyS1 there is an (outdated) TA renderer for Mojolicious, but I am considering writing a better one." --marcusramberg http://twitter.com/marcusramb​erg/status/110048743633592320
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18:05 perlrocks Twitter: "Same for TT, not integrated well RT @marcusramberg: avail (outdated) TA renderer for Mojolicious, but I am considering writing a better one." --ttyS1 http://twitter.com/ttyS1/status/110050775392202752
18:06 perlrocks Twitter: "It would be great :-) RT @marcusramberg: there is an (outdated) TA renderer for Mojolicious, but I am considering writing a better one." --ttyS1 http://twitter.com/ttyS1/status/110051122017865728
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18:20 marcus sri: any reason why mojo generate plugin Foo doesn't name the root folder Mojolicious-Plugin-Foo ?
18:22 sri marcus: personal preference
18:22 purl i heard personal preference was fine. :-)
18:23 marcus sri: ok
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20:54 cstamas is there way to preserve expensive to generate data between page hits? (if I run the app with hypnotoad?)
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21:06 perlrocks Twitter: "New blog post: How to run the #mojolicious web server morbo as a service on MacOS X http://t.co/Wi2AEOc #perl" --rabenfeder http://twitter.com/rabenfede​r/status/110096370622402560
21:06 rhaen yes.
21:07 sri rhaen: not such a good idea
21:08 rhaen why?
21:08 sri you really should be using hypnotoad for anything serious
21:08 sri morbo is strictly a development server
21:08 rhaen that's what I wrote
21:09 rhaen I just wrote for development purposes.
21:10 sri oh, i didn't actually read it, just grepped for hypnotoad and found nothing
21:10 rhaen I will add it in the first section
21:12 rhaen just about to add it
21:12 sri i see, never thought about using init scripts during development
21:13 sri just assumed it had to be something for production :)
21:15 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious hack of the day: CSS4 http://t.co/Ggetoha #perl" --perl_m8y http://twitter.com/perl_m8y​/status/110098523701256192
21:15 rhaen sri: that's what blogs are for!
21:15 rhaen sri: no gre again
21:15 rhaen err. grep again and retweet :)
21:16 rhaen should I use the "blink" tag?
21:16 sri heh
21:17 rhaen ok, that's a nice post for today. Tomorrow, another CSS selectors article
21:17 rhaen so, bedtime for me. Good night!
21:18 sri the note seems a bit out of place though ;p
21:18 rhaen really?
21:19 sri yea, just remove it and stick with the original
21:19 sri you mention it's for development
21:19 rhaen k, updated
21:20 rhaen I will post one about hypnotoad, too
21:20 sri some very useful information btw
21:20 rhaen Things are a little different there due to the signalling stuff
21:20 sri never actually looked at how os x init works
21:20 rhaen oh, and now you know how to unhide your Library folder again :)
21:20 sri rhaen: hypnotoad got a lot easier recently
21:21 rhaen huh, my production server still runs on daemon.
21:21 sri start and zero downtime upgrade use the same command "hypnotoad myapp.pl"
21:21 rhaen (the old one)
21:21 sri it will automatically zero downtime upgrade if it is running already
21:21 sri and stop is now "hypnotoad --stop myapp.pl"
21:22 rhaen oh, cool, that's nice
21:22 sri no signals unless you want them
21:22 rhaen that's for another post then. :)
21:22 sri :)
21:22 rhaen ok, bed time! We need to leave early tomorrow.
21:22 sri nn
21:22 sri retweeted btw
21:22 rhaen The holiday ends.
21:22 rhaen thx!
21:23 * rhaen waves.
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22:01 perlrocks Twitter: "Morbo as a service on MacOS X - pkgbox: Sebastian (sri) did a fantastic job in writing morbo, the development server for Mojolicious...." --Oleviajlrpj http://twitter.com/Oleviajlr​pj/status/110110222030344192
22:06 cstamas sri: are you still around?
22:40 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious hack of the day: HTML5 EventSource http://t.co/Xvylw0C #perl" --perl_m8y http://twitter.com/perl_m8y​/status/110119916631363584
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23:15 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious hack of the day: CSS4 http://t.co/NhCEvTm #perl" --perl_m8y http://twitter.com/perl_m8y​/status/110128709545115648
23:50 perlrocks Twitter: "Morbo as a service on MacOS X - pkgbox: Sebastian (sri) did a fantastic job in writing morbo, the development server for Mojolicious...." --Rosettevyjyn http://twitter.com/Rosettevyj​yn/status/110137561388810240
23:50 perlrocks Twitter: "Morbo as a service on MacOS X - pkgbox: Sebastian (sri) did a fantastic job in writing morbo, the development server for Mojolicious...." --Elbaagxxn http://twitter.com/Elbaagxx​n/status/110137728712192000

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