Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #mojo, 2011-09-20

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00:57 perlrocks Twitter: "Continuous Deployment With Jenkins And Rex  HowtoForge - Linux ...: sudo sh -c "curl -L cpanmin.us  perl - Mojolicious". Install Mojo..." --Angelynxmqdd http://twitter.com/Angelynxmq​dd/status/115952658099089409
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02:33 * sri yawns
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03:47 GitHub60 [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/N2F5Sg
03:47 GitHub60 [mojo/master] we support ietf-15 WebSockets - Sebastian Riedel
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03:58 driller_work :o
03:59 driller_work Love my ISP, they seem to think they putting me offline for 5 hours is totally cool.
04:06 sri unless you have an SLA i guess it is
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05:45 perlrocks Twitter: "#mojolicious hack of the day: testing #websockets. http://t.co/MelJK5bS #html5 #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/116025155414790144
05:46 osprey how to get all params in templates?
05:50 sri http://www.reddit.com/r/perl/comments/klboe/mo​jolicious_hack_of_the_day_testing_websockets/
05:50 sri upvote :)
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06:05 sri good morning fellow pancake fans
06:08 driller_work morning
06:08 driller_work hey sri; do I have to use something in particular to get $self->session to work?
06:09 sri please don't poke me unless it's important
06:09 driller_work ehm ok
06:09 sri i often keep notifications enabled while hacking
06:10 sri and see growing guide
06:12 sri there are many more people here that can answer your questions, asking me directly will only discourage them
06:13 driller_work you were active in the channel so I figured I could ask you directly
06:13 driller_work but yes, I wont be asking you any questions in the future. no problem.
06:14 sri thanks
06:15 osprey any one know why radiobutton dont work here?
06:15 osprey % $self->param(country => 'germany') unless $self->param('country');
06:15 osprey % $self->param(confirm => 'yes') unless $self->param('confirm');
06:15 osprey <%= radio_button 'country', value => 'germany' %> Fail here
06:15 osprey <%= radio_button 'country', value => 'france'  %>
06:15 osprey <%= radio_button 'country', value => 'uk'      %>
06:15 osprey <br />
06:15 osprey <%= check_box confirm => 'yes' %> Confirm deletion<br /> Ok here
06:15 sri no pasting into the channel please
06:15 osprey ok, sry
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06:30 crab what's a decent, simple, but non-buggy email-sending module for perl?
06:30 crab or is this one of those "pick any two" situations?
06:32 sri osprey: i think there's a documentation bug
06:33 sri or actually multiple
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06:33 GitHub162 [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/udnGGA
06:33 GitHub162 [mojo/master] fixed tag helper documentation - Sebastian Riedel
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06:33 osprey check bos is similar with radio, as I see in sourcecode but it not work -_-
06:34 osprey oh, Thanks
06:35 osprey ok now
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06:37 sromanov crab, MIME::Lite is pretty simple one
06:40 tempire I'm more of a waffle fan
06:41 sri :o
06:41 crab waffle?
06:42 sri pancakes > waffles
06:42 tempire pancakes are like unrefined waffles
06:42 tempire they have yet to evolve into the proper nook and cranniage.
06:43 tempire pancakes are much more comedic, though.  so, in that aspect, props to pancakes.
06:43 tempire http://archshrk.com/wp-content​/uploads/2009/07/pancake2.jpg
06:43 sri \o/
06:47 sri hmm
06:47 sri wonder if the documentation should use more perl/expression lines instead of tags for template examples
06:47 tempire meaning %= vs <%= %> ?
06:47 sri currently we are pretty much tags only, but it looks much more verbose than it would be in reality
06:47 sri tempire: ye
06:48 tempire whitespace is really popular right now in templates.
06:48 tempire I'd say go with %=, but mix in <%= so people know.
06:49 sri i've just checked, most examples would be mixed
06:49 sri we have lots of <%= in between text
06:53 crab i remember when some twit wanted to go around changing EVERY perl documentation example to use single quotes to quote literal strings
06:55 crab consistency!
06:55 purl somebody said consistency was a problem. or highly overrated or the hobgoblin of small minds or (see FOOLISH consistency) or apparently beyond the orthographical faculties of the vulgar USian vernacular
06:56 sri you still need at least one example to show that literal strings in double quotes are possible
06:57 sri but generally i'm in favor of consistency
06:57 sri looks best > consistency though
06:58 tempire consistency doesn't apply in this case, I don't think.  Using %= except when you can't is an acceptable convention.
06:58 marcus wassup
06:59 tempire welcome back from vacation
06:59 tempire I hope it was lovely
06:59 tempire with lots of happy smells
07:07 marcus very lovely
07:07 crab sromanov: thank you, MIME::Lite seems to suit me better than Email::Stuff
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07:12 sromanov crab, right on =)
07:19 driller_work so... is if (....) not allowed under a get '/' sub? lol wtf.
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07:25 GitHub117 [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/O6GwdA
07:25 GitHub117 [mojo/master] use more perl lines instead of tags in template examples - Sebastian Riedel
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07:32 sri hmm
07:33 sri i'm actually not sure if this is better
07:35 driller_work That is great, a mix of both
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07:43 driller_work does mojo run on windows?
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07:44 GitHub187 [mojo/master] fixed typo - Sebastian Riedel
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07:44 sri yes
07:44 driller_work super, then I code locally
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07:53 sri marcus: sketch has been updated!
07:53 marcus sri: less crashy?
07:53 sri and full lion features
07:53 sri autosave
07:53 purl i guess autosave is _also_ great
07:53 marcus nice
07:54 sri improved stability is mentioned too
07:54 marcus seems like a perfect candidate for lion full screen
07:54 marcus I see it's in the app store too
07:55 sri it is
07:56 sri oh noes
07:56 sri already hit a bug :/
07:56 marcus oh noes indeed
07:56 sri inspector in fullscreen makes the toolbar vanish
07:57 marcus oh noes
07:59 crab i was in a car accident last night. a truck rear-ended my car while i was stopped at a red light.
07:59 crab urk
07:59 sri that sounds rather dangerous
08:03 crab yeah
08:04 * sri imagines a giant crab behind the steering wheel
08:10 crab quite so. i only just about fit in my little car.
08:11 marcus oops, hope you didn't get whiplash, crab.
08:11 marcus is it possible for a crab to get whiplash?
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08:17 sri wow, versions in sketch rocks
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09:30 driller_work hmm, my templates doesn't seem to register for whatever reason (mojo cant find them) -- is there a way to see what path it is looking in for the templates?
09:31 sri ./myapp.pl eval -v 'app->renderer->root'
09:33 driller_work hmpfh, outputs the proper path... weird
09:33 driller_work actually that is super weird... I am most confident that the code is correct, let me try on my *nix setup instead
09:36 driller_work hmmmmmmm... that didn't do it either
09:37 driller_work ->redirect_to('login_test') should render /templates/login/test.html.ep, right?
09:42 driller_work yes, it should, grrrrrrrr
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09:53 * sri wonders if a github ribbon on http://mojolicio.us will increase the number of new watchers again
09:56 sri https://github.com/languages # there seems to be a decline of perl activity in general :S
10:03 sri interesting, bounce rate went down by 5% since i changed the font
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10:26 marcus comic sans?
10:26 purl comic sans is at http://bancomicsans.com/
10:26 marcus :p
10:26 marcus I'm surprised there's so little obj-c on github
10:54 driller_work I can't seem to get templating to work inside my controller.. I am using ->redirect_to('login_test'); and then I have a template in /templates/login/test.html.ep which is supposed to be rendered but I am getting a page cannot be found, am I missing something?
10:55 driller_work I went through the docs but can't seem to find what could possibly cause this behaviour
10:57 driller_work "The page you were requesting "/login_test" could not be found." -- why is it trying to render /login_test and not /login/test.html.ep ? :/
10:57 purl Hmm.  No matches for that, driller_work.
10:59 crab why do you think ->redirect_to('login_test') should render templates/login/test.html.ep?
11:02 driller_work I downloaded an app called "FastNotes" to see how things were done, and whoever wrote that app was doing it that way
11:02 driller_work I even tried redirect_to('login/test') with no success, so not quite sure what I am doing wrong heh
11:03 Grauwolf sri, you had some nice mojo dom lines in your twitterstream i can't find anymore. can you share them with me?
11:03 sri Grauwolf: don't have them anymore
11:03 Grauwolf too bad
11:05 Grauwolf sri, a xkcd one if i recall correctly
11:07 sri Grauwolf: mojo get xkcd.com/859/ img[title] attr title
11:07 driller_work crab: I must be doing something really wrong, any hints on what I can do to make this baby work?
11:07 Grauwolf sri, thanks
11:07 sri driller_work: start with the actual documentation
11:08 sri right now you just keep making one wrong assumption after another
11:10 driller_work I did read the actual documentation
11:10 sri wonder why my old tweets are nto searchable on twitter anymore
11:10 crab driller: first, don't copy code (a) that's outdated and weird, and (b) that you don't understand. redirect_to takes a (url or, in this case) route name. if you have a controller named login and an action named test, the default template for that would be templates/login/test.html.ep
11:11 sri bit sad to see all those oneliners go to waste
11:12 crab run "./myapp routes" to see what routes you have
11:12 sri maybe i should blog oneliners :)
11:13 crab i suppose i could look at fastnotes to see what it's doing, but the very thought makes my teeth hurt
11:13 driller_work that sounds so odd to me; I looked up fastnotes (it's actually available as a 'example application' somewhere on you web/github) to get a understanding of how things are connected and how to write a proper application
11:14 sri it's in the wiki, which is the user editable part
11:14 crab i'm afraid many of those example applications are abandonware, and things have changed since they were written
11:14 crab does fastnotes actually work for you? i seem to recall someone saying it didn't even start. but maybe that was fixed.
11:15 sri and every single topic you've asked about is actually in the documentation
11:15 driller_work argh I had no clue, are any of you aware of a up-to-date application that is well-structured that I could take a look at?
11:15 driller_work sri: what is your problem, why are you always rude?
11:15 sri or in this case *not*, because it does not work that way you assumed
11:15 crab driller: i don't think sri is trying to be rude at all.
11:15 driller_work I am seriously disturbed by your attitude, if you are going to bash me for asking questions then please don't reply
11:15 driller_work no, he is and it's not the first time.
11:15 purl okay, driller_work.
11:16 * sri shuts up
11:16 crab driller: reading the guides in order is actually optimised to answer such questions as you raise. it's the right way to do things, whereas what you're doing is obviously leading you astray.
11:17 crab of course, it's unfortunate that the programs you're using as examples are not good examples.
11:17 driller_work crab: yes, but the guides is not so beginner-friendly. I am not only new to perl, but also to mojolicious and I am sick and tired of having someone bashing on me when I ask a simple question that could be answered in a second, but instead, someone decides to make an argument and start bashing at me for reading the documentation that is not-so novoice friendly.
11:17 driller_work and this person seems to be the author as well, which is discouraging me from even starting to learn this framework.
11:18 crab well, i can't do anything but try to point you in the right direction and let you draw your own conclusions.
11:18 crab if there's something specific in the guides that you don't understand, that can be addressed.
11:19 driller_work I understand and I also agree, but as I previously said, I don't ask a question just because I expect you to do my job for me. I spent time to read the documentations and try to get a general overview of how things are done and structured, sometimes I don't get some of it so I tend to ask the question in here in hopes to get a proper response from a person who has more knowledge than I do in this
11:19 driller_work framework.
11:19 purl somebody said framework was there for multiple servers and multiple connections and pipelining and other Cool Shit
11:20 sri well, have you considered that i'm just really really bad at enduser support?
11:20 crab driller: go read the answers i gave you about this question.
11:20 sri but i'm going to address this by not answering enduser questions anymore
11:21 crab once you understand the route -> controller -> action -> template chain, you'll be less confused.
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11:22 sri i've put so much effort into the documentation, it breaks my heart every time someone ignores it… i just can't take it anymore
11:24 crab like i said, if there's something specific in the docs that is difficult to understand, it can be considered and fixed. but "not so beginner friendly" doesn't tell us anything useful.
11:25 driller_work sri: your documentation is GOOD but it is not beginner-friendly (no proper examples of how to use this and that, just "do this and it might work"). Remember, its YOUR framework and YOU understand it better than anyone else. YOU cannot expect someone to "fully get it" the way you do. No offence, I respect your work but addressing users who are trying to learn your framework the way you do is just
11:25 driller_work dead wrong and can discourage people from using your framework.
11:26 driller_work I am really putting a lot of MY own time to learn YOUR framework which I REALLY like, and if you address me like a fucking idiot then I'll spend my time learning some other framework intead.
11:26 crab hum. well. i guess there's no point prolonging this conversation.
11:27 sri the inner circle may still ask me any kind of question, but in general i'll stick to design and bugs from now on
11:28 crab inner circle! is there a secret handshake?!
11:28 driller_work Sorry but I had to get it out, I just don't like the attitude and it has buggered me a couple of times so it had to be said.
11:28 * sri hands crab his decoder ring
11:29 crab driller: i'm sorry to say this, but if you consider "start with the actual documentation" to be insulting when you don't know how to write and call methods properly (cf. the bug i found in the code you pasted the other day), it's going to be very hard for anyone to help you.
11:30 driller_work that wasn't the thing that ticked me off crab; I fully accept "read the documentation or RTFM" as a response, but please, is it really that hard to respond with "read up on the documentation on page X about Y and you shall find your answer"?
11:31 sri i've been yelled at for linking to documentation too a lot recently
11:32 crab sri: you're just a horrible person and nobody loves you ;-P
11:32 sri :,(
11:34 sri we've grown too big, it's time for community members to step up and take over the whole support business i guess
11:35 driller_work I agree, you shouldn't be rolling the ball by yourself -- if others use mojolicious they should by nature help newcommers to get started, or at least participate in the daily debates/discussions in here. I know I would when I feel safe working with mojolicious, why wouldn't someone want to help?
11:35 sri actually i think i really am a problem at this point, and need to distance myself for mojolicious to grow further
11:35 crab i wouldn't mind writing a nicely-documented example application and keeping it up-to-date with current best practice... if i could think of a sufficiently evocative example app to write.
11:36 sri a blog :)
11:36 marcus a wiki :)
11:36 marcus a bliki? :-o
11:36 sri A URL SHORTENER!
11:36 marcus open source irccloud implementation
11:37 sri hmm, a blog where everybody can change articles, what could go wrong?
11:37 driller_work crab: that would be a terrific idea. I learn things by looking at other apps to see how things are structured and how the framework is being put to its use, starting from 0 is really hard; having an example app learn from saves a lot of time and a great headache
11:37 crab of course, one problem is that i don't know anything about Mojolicious::Lite
11:38 crab marcus: open source irccloud implementation as a mojo example app for new users? seriously?
11:38 sri you should be able to grok it in about 15 mins with your knowledge of normal mojolicious
11:39 crab marcus: that's like inviting medical interns to perform cardiac surgery on their first day so as to understand hospital procedures
11:39 * marcus has been pondering writing something in Mojolicious hooked up to https://metacpan.org/module/AnyEvent::APNS
11:40 sri https://gist.github.com/1130253 # it's easy
11:41 sri ./irc.pl get /
11:41 sri and watch :)
11:47 marcus I'd like the examples to be something async, crab :)
11:47 sri async is hard...
11:47 marcus because I think the real time web is a big strength for mojolicious
11:47 marcus sri: but also more and more important. It's the reason so many people adopt node.js
11:47 marcus also, a bunch of stupid hype
11:47 sri true
11:49 marcus sri: with regards to perl newbies coming here, I think that is the best thing you could hope for?
11:50 marcus sri: if people learn perl to use your framework, you've won?
11:50 sri yes, not saying it's a bad thing, just that i/we have to adjust
11:51 marcus ./join #therevolution
11:51 marcus :p
11:51 marcus I actually think mst's tireless supportbot mode has helped catalyst adoption tremendously.
11:52 marcus also his karma :)
11:52 marcus purl: karma mst?
11:52 purl i haven't a clue, marcus
11:52 marcus purl: karma mst
11:52 purl mst has karma of 1963
11:52 sri for me that means acting more in the shadows *laughs maniacally*
11:53 marcus sri: I think you should just do as driller_work suggests, and ignore the most obvious noob questions, rather than yell at people
11:53 crab marcus: one example doesn't have to be everything.
11:53 marcus purl: help vampire?
11:53 purl help vampire is probably http://www.slash7.com/pages/vampires or http://bash.org/?3936
11:53 crab i agree, there's need for more examples of async stuff, and especially mixing clients with servers, and using anyevent.
11:54 crab i would find such examples useful myself.
11:54 crab marcus: he didn't "yell" at anything, that's the thing
11:55 sri haha, that bash quote is so true!
11:55 marcus halp!
11:55 marcus =)
11:57 sri maybe i should also disguise myself
11:58 marcus nostril
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12:29 pancakesftw damn, lots of shows are back today
12:30 pancakesftw even the first episode of house leaked
12:30 perlrocks Twitter: "Sebastian Riedel about Perl and the Web – Mojolicious hack of the day: Testing WebSockets http://t.co/zvBfcDRs" --geekspot_ru http://twitter.com/geekspot_​ru/status/116127070375002113
12:48 perlrocks Twitter: "sudo sh -c "curl -L cpanmin.us  perl - Mojolicious". Install Mojolicious on your CI Server and Webserver, too. After installing creat..." --Dessiepffxs http://twitter.com/Dessiepff​xs/status/116131580858220544
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13:20 marcus ooooh
13:20 marcus so sweet
13:20 purl so sweet is, like, cdbi compatible
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13:30 marcus pancakesftw: me no see
13:30 marcus (house)
13:55 pancakesftw guess it's the last season, really weak start
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16:24 tempire oooh ooooh
16:24 tempire I want a disguise!
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16:28 ponycorns purl: ponycorns
16:28 purl ponycorns: i'm not following you...
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16:33 ponycorns purl: ponycorns are the best thing in the world 'cause they're like ponies AND unicorns
16:33 purl OK, ponycorns.
16:33 ponycorns ponycorns is also at http://ponycorns.com/
16:33 ponycorns purl: ponycorns is also at http://ponycorns.com/
16:33 purl i already had it that way, ponycorns.
16:34 ponycorns purl: ponycorns?
16:34 purl you are at http://ponycorns.com/
16:34 ponycorns arg.
16:34 * ponycorns is a purl n00b
16:34 ponycorns purl: ponycorns are the best thing in the world 'cause they're like ponies AND unicorns
16:34 ponycorns purl: ponycorns?
16:34 purl it has been said that ponycorns is at http://ponycorns.com/
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16:36 jmmills if one users 'under' with a route with placeholders with it auth for only routes that match that placeholder?
16:37 jmmills like under '/user/:id' => sub {} would only operate on get '/user/:id' => sub {} and post '/user/:id' => sub {}
16:42 ponycorns jmmills: I don't think under works that way
16:42 ponycorns you have to use a direct bridge for that.
16:54 jmmills okay, that's strange. seems a little backwards to what you would expect the under directive to do in a lite app.
16:54 jmmills when you do create a under '/user/:id' => sub{} it does show up in the routes as above the get and post variants however it seems that the code doesn't execute
17:16 jmmills I guess it would be nice to see a more verbose example of how to use an under, waypoint, or bridge in a lite app that will match and authenticate placeholder routes
17:16 jmmills would come in handy for RESTful CRUD
17:16 jmmills such as editing a user
17:17 jmmills currently I just created a helper function that does a http 403 or 404 if the object is accessible vs missing and sticks the object in the stash if it's found
17:22 ponycorns jmmills: https://gist.github.com/1229718
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17:35 jmmills ponycorns, wouldn't that be how you handle it in a non-lite app?
17:36 ponycorns it's the same thing.  app-> in lite is the same thing as $self in sub startup {}
17:37 ponycorns but yeah, you're right.
17:38 livingcosmos " app-> in lite is the same thing as $self in  sub startup {}" -- in other words app->defaults(layout => 'mylayout') will work in a Lite app just like $self->default(layout => 'mylayout') in a Mojolicious app?
17:40 marcus wassup homies.
17:40 livingcosmos Emacs as my new IRC client is, dawg. (this is metaperl)
17:41 livingcosmos it auto-changed my nick
17:41 livingcosmos that and jQuery smartCart - a very nice product. tried to get along with angularjs - but found it too constricting.. so back to plain jquery
17:42 marcus emacs is a nice os, I just wish it had a better editor.
17:42 marcus Although I suppose vile is allright.
17:42 livingcosmos I like it better than manually switching modes like VI. But perhaps it has not stayed up with 'modern editors' like Eclipse, textmate... but it's fine for Perl, I just shell-out to Perltidy for code formatting.
17:43 livingcosmos and I wrote a module to auto-post to perlmonks.org from Emacs... so I write in XML-mode, and then use url.el to post
17:43 marcus I mostly use textmate, but I miss the modes a bit.
17:43 livingcosmos someone please confirm my question about app->defaults ( ... ) in a lite app
17:44 marcus Vico is pretty close to being able to replace textmate for me
17:44 marcus livingcosmos: yes it is
17:44 ponycorns vim is your father
17:44 marcus app == $self in startup
17:44 livingcosmos ah, so it is.
17:44 livingcosmos and the rest is inference
17:44 marcus ponycorns: unfortunately macvim also looks as old as my father
17:46 ponycorns it looks like a terminal.  I don't know if that classifies as old, so much as staying true to its nature.
17:46 ponycorns that being said, I'd be open to something new as long as it had a vim engine.
17:47 ponycorns and not mapping h,j,k,l keys and saying it's got vim keybindings
17:47 marcus agree, would love a proper cocoa frontend for macvim
17:47 ponycorns I really like sublimes window thingy
17:48 marcus ponycorns: vico is a lot closer than mapping hjkl tho
17:48 marcus for some bizarre reason not mapping R is a killer for me tho
17:48 marcus dunno why but I keep expecting replace mode to work
17:51 marcus http://groups.google.com/group/vim_mac​/browse_thread/thread/051c2dd2c43087c1
17:52 livingcosmos Since removing layout from my inner-template files, I'm getting the error """Global symbol "$title" requires explicit package name at template "layouts/cam.html.ep" line 4, near "  </head>".""" - this hte layout https://github.com/metaperl/vcpaste​/blob/master/paste/2011-09-20-13-49​-48/templates/layouts/cam.html.ep and this is the store https://github.com/metaperl/vcpaste/blob/mas​ter/paste/2011-09-20-13-49-48/templates/sto
17:55 marcus hmm
17:55 livingcosmos oh title must be an additional stash value to the layout helper?
17:55 marcus probably
17:55 livingcosmos the Lite file has app->defaults(layout => 'cam');
17:56 livingcosmos isnt there a title helper?
17:56 livingcosmos hmm
17:56 marcus not afaik
17:56 marcus % title => 'Web Store';  doesn't seem helpful
17:56 livingcosmos oh so I need to specify a stash value there
17:56 livingcosmos i guess there is a % stash or something
17:57 marcus livingcosmos: http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Mojoli​cious/Plugin/DefaultHelpers#title
17:57 marcus seems it should be just title 'Web Store';
17:57 livingcosmos ah
17:57 livingcosmos so I should not do <%= $title %> because that looks in the stash
17:58 livingcosmos unless I do % stash title => 'title'
17:58 marcus right, you set it with the helper, then retrieve it
17:58 livingcosmos I got it. thanks
17:58 perlrocks Twitter: "Love #mojolicious ? You will love #mojocasts http://t.co/gNbRHRBj" --funkejunx http://twitter.com/funkejun​x/status/116209702202900480
18:16 rhaen hello world.
18:16 purl hello world. are you here?
18:17 rhaen btw, I am just trying to motivate myself - should I go to London Perl Workshop this November?
18:26 ponycorns yes
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18:58 perlrocks Twitter: "sudo sh -c "curl -L cpanmin.us  perl - Mojolicious". Install Mojolicious on your CI Server and Webserver, too. After installing creat..." --Yahairaijmkp http://twitter.com/Yahairaijm​kp/status/116224793245782016
18:58 perlrocks Twitter: "Continuous Deployment With Jenkins And Rex  HowtoForge - Linux ...: sudo sh -c "curl -L cpanmin.us  perl - Mojolicious". Install Mojo..." --Kimberleyxivsp http://twitter.com/Kimberleyxi​vsp/status/116224793765871617
18:58 perlrocks Twitter: "sudo sh -c "curl -L cpanmin.us  perl - Mojolicious". Install Mojolicious on your CI Server and Webserver, too. After installing creat..." --Shericemsnfw http://twitter.com/Shericemsn​fw/status/116224794986414080
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19:35 * crab does a little dance
19:39 tempire a jig?
19:39 purl hmmm... a jig is trying to write a sort of "expect" script in Perl with Win95.  Has anyone done this?  Jig need help. or up
19:39 tempire or a foxtrot
19:39 purl a foxtrot is pretty good too.  :)
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19:42 crab tempire: a tango. only all by myself. it's hard to not fall over.
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20:58 marcus crab: pics or it didn't happen
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22:25 * sicp-metaperl searches for something like dotcould, but even cheaper :)
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22:39 tempire activate state, red hat, dot cloud, flux flex
22:39 tempire those are pretty much your only options
22:43 sicp-metaperl "activate state"?
22:45 sicp-metaperl """We never require you to install uncool original commands.""" - you know who they are picking at here ;)
22:47 * sicp-metaperl likes the integration of fluxflex with github.... giving it a go :)
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