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lulz. Torvalds: "I don't actually know the details. I mean Java I really don't care about. What a horrible language. What a horrible VM. So, I am like whatever, you are barking about all this crap, go away. I don't care." |
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gotta love torvalds |
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hehe |
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plu |
there's some other java rant in the readme there: https://github.com/torvalds/subsurface |
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"I'm tired of java programs that don't work etc." |
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sri |
not sure if routes should automatically canonicalize |
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sri |
you can do some weird shit atm :) |
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sri |
perl -Ilib -Mojo -E'a("/foo/../" => {text => "works"})->start' get /foo/../ |
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sri |
atm i tend towards leaving it unspecified |
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Vandal |
on this page https://github.com/kraih/mojo/wiki "Available Plugins" link is wrong |
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sri |
it's a wiki, fix it! :) |
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ladnaV |
don't know how :( |
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sri |
learn |
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waves |
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Vandal |
give me a hint |
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Vandal |
I must be loged in? |
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marcus |
sri: I'm a bit of a sceptic on the format implementation. For the default app, these urls all match the same route : http://localhost:3000/.0 http://localhost:3000/.html http://localhost:3000/ |
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burk |
I want to send a websocket-message when I get a NOTIFY in my database, but I need to check for notifications in a loop, any ideas on how to do this? ie where to put my loop? |
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sri |
marcus: don't complain, make a proposal |
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marcus |
sri: not about the solution, but I know having multiple urls for the same resource makes search engines unhappy. |
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marcus |
not sure even |
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sri |
marcus: i've not been happy with formats for months now, but i don't see how it can be changed without breaking every single app out there |
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marcus |
yeah, that's the question :) |
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sri |
in fact, i've looked into it like 2 months back, but given up |
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sri |
to me it's a WON'T FIX now, unless someone comes up with a really good plan and patches |
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sri |
if i could start fresh i would just require a :format placeholder |
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sri |
always |
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sri |
but that ship is sailed |
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marcus |
yupp |
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marcus |
hmm, seems there will be a dancer tutorial at LPW |
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sri |
you can only disable formats now with ('/foo', format => 0) |
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sri |
anyway, back to work |
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sri |
marcus: also, well volunteered, i'll be awaiting your patches ;p |
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deprecates formats and adds types |
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marcus |
types => [qw/html json/] |
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sri |
wut? |
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marcus |
I'm not seriously suggesting you should deprecate format. |
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marcus |
too much breakage |
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sri |
maybe in a year or two |
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because if we replace the routes implementation, we better address all issues at once |
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marcus: maybe a reasonable compromise would be a prefix character to disable format magic |
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get '#/foo' => sub {…}; |
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get './foo' => sub {…}; |
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hello |
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rdesfo |
I was wondering why I don't get anything out of this script https://gist.github.com/1341537 |
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marcus |
sri: yeah |
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sri: but I agree, it's good to find all the pain points before changing |
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marcus |
sri: your change to |
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marcus |
Message.pm does not seem to be consistent with the text directly above it. |
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sri |
marcus: ? |
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doesn't see it |
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marcus |
sri: https://github.com/kraih/mojo/[…]o/Message.pm#L700 |
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sri |
marcus: https://github.com/kraih/mojo/[…]o/Message.pm#L697 |
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marcus |
you document it taking an optional parameter to do find directly, then call find in the next line. |
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sri |
yes, to show more diversity |
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sri: maybe better to use ->at for the diversity example than find? |
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sri |
i wanted an example that uses collections though :/ |
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sri |
at is rather boring |
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marcus |
mkay, I just thought it was a bit confusing. |
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sri |
can always add more examples |
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marcus |
sri: love the other examples you added tho |
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rdesfo: Your url is borked |
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rdesfo: fix the url and "say $duck" and you'll see what is going on. |
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marcus |
ooh, google is doing an algorithm update to give fresh content higher ranking. Much needed |
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http://googleblog.blogspot.com[…]ecent-search.html |
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sri |
:) |
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marcus |
I like being mentioned in commit messages :) |
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sri |
send more patches! |
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closes the door before marcus can sneak out |
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marcus |
:D |
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marcus |
It's easier to just annoy you and get mentioned that way. |
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sri: btw, I think I give up on couch |
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marcus |
it seems to be really suck once you get load on it |
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sri |
interesting |
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marcus: which version? |
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purl |
which version is that? |
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sri: well, mst was complaining about it before, and then I saw this today: http://twitter.com/#!/schmicha[…]32606384649936898 . I've heard other people I trust complain about similar things as well. |
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sri |
tempire: i think you'll like this screencast intro, some really fun ideas http://www.couchbase.org/get/couchbase/2.0.0 |
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marcus |
not sure which versions they refer to tho. |
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sri |
wait, you mean mongodb? |
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sri |
Y U SAY COUCH! |
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marcus |
wtf |
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marcus |
I meant mongodb |
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marcus |
need to cut down on the drugs I guess. |
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sri |
or get more |
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marcus |
or better |
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nods |
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marcus: on the other hand there's stuff like this http://blog.10gen.com/post/121[…]base-in-the-cloud |
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sri |
they use 130 nodes on aws |
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burk |
hum, I cannot get this example to work https://github.com/kraih/mojo/[…]52a01b0fd42721b9d |
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burk |
time of last tick is always 0 |
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sri |
burk: umm, are you intentioally linking to an outdated version of a wiki page? |
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sri |
*+n |
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burk |
oh, not intentionally no |
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burk |
thanks (: |
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sri |
:) |
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marcus: what would be your second choice after mongodb? |
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sri: riak or redis, I guess. |
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marcus |
kind of depends on the task |
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sri |
well, redis doesn't count i think |
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marcus |
I suppose |
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sri |
i would run redis in addition to a normal db |
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marcus |
sri: the last app I wrote in mongodb, I decided to rewrite in postgresql |
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marcus |
might use redis with that one as well |
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sri |
:o |
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marcus |
but we needed proper transaction support |
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sri |
have you actually done some load testing? |
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marcus |
since it's a ticket system. |
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marcus |
it's not the load |
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marcus |
it was the transactions |
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sri |
you complained about it ;p |
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marcus |
that's not why I rewrote that app tho |
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sri |
would love to see a good comparison between mongodb and redis under heavy load |
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sri |
umm |
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marcus |
I've never had any mongodb app with high loads |
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sri |
riak |
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sri |
not redis |
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marcus |
Just heard other people complain bitterly once they do |
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marcus |
mongo is really quick for prototyping stuff tho |
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sri |
riak still seems like a mess |
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sri |
just riak-search that still intrigues me a little |
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marcus |
elasticsearch as storage? :) |
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marcus |
it's java tho |
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sri |
hadoop! |
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marcus |
HBase! |
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marcus |
Cassandra! |
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purl |
cassandra is an open source distributed database management system : http://incubator.apache.org/cassandra/ |
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sri |
well, the nsa and facebook use hbase, it has to be good ;p |
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marcus |
facebook also use php |
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sri |
and they compile it to C++ |
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marcus |
I agree, facebook has skillz |
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marcus |
at least they manage to release ios apps without fucking it up completely. |
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marty |
I have to admit, It took me quite a while to get used to doing things in mongodb, but now I really really like it. |
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marty |
I loaded some large test data for my ecommerce app and I found that correct use of compound indexes made a huge impact on performance |
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sri |
marcus: hmm, the tweet you linked to is from an urban airship guy |
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sri |
they've been hating on mongodb like forever |
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sri |
yet, they keep using it and write snarky tweets and talks ;p |
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marcus |
It came into my stream through crucially |
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marcus |
(sky) |
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sri |
he has been hating on mongodb a lot too |
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sri |
actually, i've not seen negative posts from that many different people |
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sri |
there's a lot more success stories as far as i can see |
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marty |
The think that will put mongo over the top is a native mojolicous driver. wakka wakka |
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sri |
it's still a spare-spare-time project, but i'm working on it :) |
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marty |
\o/ |
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hmm, looks like perlrocks has connection problems |
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gonna turn it off for a bit and try later again |
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sri |
marcus: http://blog.schmichael.com/201[…]ing-with-mongodb/ # the full story it seems |
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marcus |
sri: interesting |
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is watching gas land |
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marcus |
interesting documentary |
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sri |
marcus: actually i'm tempted to give couchbase 2.0 a try |
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marcus |
sri: they have some solid users as well. |
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sri |
interesting, 2.0 uses the memcached protocol, not REST |
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sri |
the frontend and clustering is mostly membase, persistence and indexing couchdb |
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sri |
there's a rest api for admin tasks |
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marcus |
that is a pretty big change. |
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elb0w_ |
So I just updated my mojo, Warning: Use of "pop" without parentheses is ambiguous at /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1/Mojo/Transaction/WebSocket.pm line 319. |
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elb0w_ |
Any idea? |
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purl |
well, Any idea is welcomed. |
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elb0w_ |
sri: you there? |
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sri |
elb0w: what do you mean, any idea? |
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elb0w_ |
why I'm getting that warning |
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elb0w_ |
Is it my perl version? |
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sri |
apparently |
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purl |
That's a great theory. |
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elb0w_ |
upgrading it now |
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elb0w_ |
will see |
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sri |
who cares? it's a warning |
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elb0w_ |
Its Mojo I've come to expect better :P |
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sri |
legacy perl versions tend to warn about all kinds of stupid shit |
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sri |
they are unsupported after all |
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elb0w_ |
yeah |
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sri |
when it comes to legacy perl versions i don't care as long as tests pass |
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[mojo/master] make warning go away on legacy Perl versions - Sebastian Riedel |
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elb0w_ |
ok |
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elb0w_ |
lol ty sri |
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elb0w_ |
:) |
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