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[mojo/master] replaced servers method in Mojo::IOLoop::Resolver with servers attribute - Sebastian Riedel |
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elb0w |
Question, is it better to write my own modules as helper functions which get included as new objects in and pass them the plugins I want to utilize thats already been loaded into mojo's self, or is it better to just make modules that separate out the creation of helper functions so I can classify them? (Im looking at an organizational standpoint, I don't want to have 200 lines of helper methods in the root program) |
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tempire |
"I don't want to have 200 lines of helper methods in the root program" |
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tempire |
I feel like you've already answered your own question. |
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elb0w |
lol |
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elb0w |
yeah but which strategy to use |
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elb0w |
eh |
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elb0w |
nvm |
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crab |
is this a lite app or what? |
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elb0w |
nah its a big one |
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elb0w |
its ok I'm just doing the helpers seperately |
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elb0w |
i like it like this |
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elb0w |
Is there no $self->json ? |
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reyjrar |
I just updated to 2.x and now I'm getting http://pastebin.com/Vk9jdwX3 |
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elb0w |
didn't they get rid of fastcgi? |
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reyjrar |
well, that would explain it |
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elb0w |
http://groups.google.com/group[…]91fcca92b4e?pli=1 |
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elb0w |
reyjrar: were you using fastcgi due to host? |
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elb0w |
I would rec hypo behind nginx if you could |
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elb0w |
awesome solution |
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reyjrar |
Hadn't played with Plack/PSGI on CentOS 5.x and mod_fcgid is code |
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reyjrar |
core too |
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elb0w |
and super simple |
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reyjrar |
I'm on apache for the time being |
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reyjrar |
I just installed Mojo::Server::FastCGI |
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reyjrar |
I'm planning on moving off Apache and to something more interesting in the near future.. |
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reyjrar |
entrenched in Apache and have zero free time.. |
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reyjrar |
:) |
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reyjrar |
thanks :) |
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elb0w |
ok |
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elb0w |
but as a apache user myself |
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elb0w |
you will never want to use apache again |
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elb0w |
after nginx + hypo / morbo |
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elb0w |
hypno* |
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reyjrar |
I certainly understand.. Apache is super bloated.. |
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reyjrar |
I'll take a look at that combo :) |
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elb0w |
yeah cool |
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elb0w |
and if you do loadbalancing |
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elb0w |
its simple |
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elb0w |
no mod_proxy bs |
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marcus |
sri: hai? |
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purl |
i guess hai is so coool IMHO or yes, but pronounced by prepubescent moon eyed girls |
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marcus |
quiet here today |
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sri |
marcus: hai |
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drugs came in time to our ward today |
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marcus |
sri: Having some trouble with reverse proxying. I've an app running on nginx set up as https://nordaaker.no/foobar/ mapped to a hypnotoad on a high port. I'm wondering how to set it up so that it maps back and forth. |
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marcus |
sri: managed to get it to respond to the request by doing a rewrite of /foobar/ to /, but I'm not able to get url_for to work right. |
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marcus |
I've set the proxy=>1 flag in the hypnotoad conf, and I'm setting X-Forwarded-For and X-Forwarded-HTTPS and proxying Host |
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marcus |
not sure how to deal with the path tho. if the app root had been / it would be working fine. :) |
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sri |
there is nothing mojolicious could automatically do for that, you just rewrite the url properly with a base |
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sri |
base: http://127.0.0.1/foobar/ url: /whatever |
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sri |
should be pretty obvious |
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sri |
prolly just a push(shift()) on both path parts |
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* sri |
yawns |
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judofyr |
hey hey #mojo |
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marcus |
sri: I could write a plugin to set the request url based on a http header? |
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marcus |
X-Forwarded-Path |
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marcus |
set the base of the request url even |
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sri |
you can do everything |
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marcus |
sri: don't encourage me, it won't end well :D |
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sri |
GO MARCUS, GO MARCUS! |
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goes to play squash. |
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is disappoint |
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marcus |
I'll write the plugin too. |
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while playing squash? wow |
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[mojo/master] updated a few class descriptions - Sebastian Riedel |
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[mojo/master] updated some more class descriptions - Sebastian Riedel |
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judofyr |
sri! |
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judofyr |
we're having some performance issues with an external API |
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judofyr |
it takes ~3 seconds before the callback run |
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judofyr |
when firing three requests to the same server |
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judofyr |
and I try to reproduce it outside of Mojo::UserAgent |
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judofyr |
but if I just run the requests with Ruby + ab |
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judofyr |
then it works fine |
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judofyr |
and fast |
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sjn |
Devel::NYTProf ftw? :) |
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judofyr |
sjn: ehm, you've tried Devel::NYTProf with Mojo? |
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judofyr |
I get tons of "Mojo::Base::__ANON__[(eval 100)[/Users/magnus/perl5/perlbrew/perls/perl-5.14.1/lib/site_perl/5.14.1/Mojo/Base.pm:118]:7] has no caller subnames but a call count of 4738" |
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judofyr |
like, neverending about of that |
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judofyr |
hm… |
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judofyr |
it spends 2.95 secs in IO::Poll::_poll |
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judofyr |
# spent 2.95s making 147 calls to IO::Poll::_poll, avg 20.0ms/call |
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sri |
3 seconds is the dns timeout, is your dns configured wrong? |
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judofyr |
sri: hm… what's the definition of "configured" wrong? |
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sri |
like not correct |
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sri |
MOJO_RESOLVER_DEBUG=1 or MOJO_NO_RESOLVER=1 might help |
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judofyr |
RESOLVE TIMEOUT (192.168.50.253) |
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sri |
voila |
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judofyr |
sri: hm… but why does the first request answer right away? |
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judofyr |
sri: it's the two last that's slow |
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judofyr |
I get one "ANSWER A 195.159.218.141" |
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sri |
don't ask me |
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judofyr |
then two "RESOLVE TIMEOUT (8.8.8.8)" |
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judofyr |
even when settig MOJO_DNS_SERVER=8.8.8.8 |
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sjn |
judofyr: I haven't :) |
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judofyr |
sri: I'm asking you because (1) it happens with both 8.8.8.8 and the local DNS server and (2) I've only seen the issue in Mojo |
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judofyr |
sri: also, you're a smart guy :) |
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judofyr |
but on the other hand, it only happens with one domain… |
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judofyr |
sri: is there some DNS caching in Mojo::UserAgent/Resolver? |
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judofyr |
sri: can you run this on your machine/network? https://gist.github.com/60c8ed052f1150e99d1c |
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judofyr |
or someone else? |
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purl |
rumour has it someone else is the compiler |
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judofyr |
I get: START START START DONE (long delay) DONE DONE |
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judofyr |
MOJO_DNS_SERVER=8.8.8.8 MOJO_RESOLVER_DEBUG=1 perl t.pl |
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judofyr |
anyone? :-( |
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sri |
confirmed, might be a bug |
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judofyr |
so much for parallel requests :) |
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judofyr |
good |
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sri |
not good |
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sri |
i'm actually considering the removal of the resolver |
| 15:54 |
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judofyr |
sri: this patch fixes it: https://gist.github.com/60c8ed052f1150e99d1c |
| 15:54 |
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judofyr |
not sure if it's the correct patch |
| 15:55 |
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judofyr |
it's more a general optimization |
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judofyr |
(don't run duplicate queries) |
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sri |
very wrong |
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sri |
you're masking the problem |
| 15:58 |
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judofyr |
I know |
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sri |
... |
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judofyr |
:) |
| 15:59 |
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judofyr |
I'm not smart enough to know the real bug |
| 16:02 |
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judofyr |
sri: ehm, why is $CURRENT_SERVER a singleton? |
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sri |
it's not anymore |
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sri |
cpan version is old |
| 16:03 |
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judofyr |
pro-tip: git pull |
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purl |
somebody said git pull was not bringing anything down to me. |
| 16:04 |
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sri |
still not sure if it's better to fix or remove it |
| 16:05 |
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judofyr |
sri: what will you use in place of the Resolver? |
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judofyr |
is there already an event-driven one? |
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sri |
nope, blocking system resolver |
| 16:05 |
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judofyr |
ah |
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sri |
if someone really cared about resolver performance there would still be a method to overload |
| 16:07 |
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judofyr |
as long as the method takes a callback, that should work fine, yeah |
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sri |
not necessary |
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judofyr |
oh? how would you override "my $ans = resolve($adr)" to use an event-driven-thingie? |
| 16:08 |
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judofyr |
err, how would you override "resolve" in that case |
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sri |
…use base… sub connect { my $self = shift; MyResolver->resolve(sub { $self->SUPER::connect(...) }) } |
| 16:09 |
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judofyr |
yeah, that takes a callback |
| 16:10 |
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judofyr |
that was my point |
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judofyr |
:S |
| 16:10 |
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judofyr |
oh wait |
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judofyr |
sorry |
| 16:10 |
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judofyr |
of course |
| 16:10 |
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judofyr |
now that's pretty nifty |
| 16:11 |
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judofyr |
sri: okay, but what do you suggest to fix the 3s-bug in our code base right now? |
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sri |
MOJO_NO_RESOLVER=1 |
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sri |
that enforces the system resolver |
| 16:12 |
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judofyr |
perfect |
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sri |
hmm, i'm unsure what to do |
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sri |
for talking to web services the system resolver will actually be faster, for large scale web crawling it will be a lot slower |
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judofyr |
why will it be slower for large scale web crawling? |
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judofyr |
because it blocks? |
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sri |
because every lookup blocks |
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sri |
for web services you benefit from caching |
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judofyr |
sri: I think it's more common to talk to APIs than to crawl pages |
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judofyr |
sri: so I think that MOJO_NO_RESOLVER=1 should probably be default |
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sri |
judofyr: then we could just as well remove it |
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judofyr |
sri: wo-hoo! |
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* crab |
sighs |
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sri |
crab: where do you stand on the issue? |
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[mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/y5F5DQ |
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GitHub5 |
[mojo/master] removed Mojo::IOLoop::Resolver - Sebastian Riedel |
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sri |
wonder if anyone will even notice it |
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xaka |
why remove it? useless? |
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sri |
too many complaints |
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sri |
too little gain |
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sri |
if someone wants the functionality i'll just provide the necessary hooks to make it work as a plugin |
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* elb0w_ |
waits for emails from list saying why doesnt this work anymore haha |
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sri |
whole thing was experimental, i couldn't care less ;p |
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xaka |
probably it'd be better extract it into separate github project like fastcgi? |
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sri |
this is exactly why we have experimental features |
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elb0w_ |
Think im gonna add a feature to pianobar and make it save mp3s |
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xaka |
90% of mojo is experimental :) |
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sri |
that's bullshit |
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xaka |
:-P but who cares, it works |
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elb0w_ |
Mojo is the only reason I didnt use ruby / python/ scala for this mobile backend |
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sri |
it's closer to 5% |
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sri |
and marked as such |
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those scala folks are pretty good at marketing |
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http://typesafe.com/ # the company behind it just picked up the Play framework |
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id use scalatra probably |
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elb0w_ |
wow |
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http://notionscapital.wordpres[…]ps-pizza-harvest/ |
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sri |
rofl |
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sri |
marcus/tempire/yko: thoughts about the Mojo::IOLoop::Resolver removal? |
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sri |
as expected :) |
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sri |
nobody will even notice it |
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who actually uses resolvers? what the purpose? |
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[mojo/master] deprecated Mojo::IOLoop->connect_timeout in favor of timeout argument - Sebastian Riedel |
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[mojo/master] small documentation tweaks - Sebastian Riedel |
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tempire |
I never understood it's purpose in the first place. |
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tempire |
*its |
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tempire |
seemed like something outside of mojo's purview, but never took the time to understand otherwise. |
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sri |
tempire: it helped us block a little less |
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tempire |
ah, because waiting on the os to provide resolution is blocking |
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tempire |
block block block |
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sri |
ye |
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tempire |
when's the last complaint? |
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tempire |
I haven't seen it mentioned in a while before today |
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sri |
but i was never really sure if it was a good decision for core, that's why it was the longest standing experimental feature we ever had |
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tempire |
well I like the idea behind it, even though I've never used it directly. |
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sri |
i remember quite a few |
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sri |
whenever people depend on /etc/hosts or use some funky intranet dns setup |
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tempire |
I have no opinion regarding its removal. |
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salutes |
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sri |
it's mostly intranet setups that make it really screw up |
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sri |
i take that as a yes then :D |
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sri |
was fun learning how dns really works though |
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sri |
btw. i would also still like some feedback on the new Mojo::IOLoop api |
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sri |
http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Mojo/IOLoop#SYNOPSIS |
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tempire |
looks clean to me |
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tempire |
easy to understand |
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tempire |
Mojo::IOLoop->start/stop seems weird. |
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tempire |
don't guess there's anything wrong with it, though. |
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sri |
how so? |
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tempire |
just that you usually expect stuff to work from an instantiation |
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tempire |
my $io = Mojo::IOLoop->new; $io->server/client/start/stop |
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sri |
event loop has to be started and stopped somehow |
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tempire |
I'm just stating my initial reaction to it, because it might come up with other people. I have no complaints. |
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sri |
feel free to improve examples |
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sri |
i can not really relate to your point of view |
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sri |
generally you wouldn't instantiate Mojo::IOLoop btw |
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sri |
and just use the singleton with Mojo::IOLoop->start |
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tempire |
I know |
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sri |
still the big mystery… how do we explain events and event loops properly :) |
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Sri: i am in favor of removing it. |
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tempire |
I've got some ideas |
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tempire |
I don't think a video is a good idea until the api is no longer experimental, though. |
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sri |
what do you need to be non-experimental? |
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tempire |
you've been doing a lot to the api, changing things around and such. I just want it to be completely settled before I make something. |
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sri |
fair enough |
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tempire |
does anyone know of any services that serve json without authentication? |
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sri |
twitter has a test api no? |
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sri |
tempire: or metacpan or course |
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http://explorer.metacpan.org/ |
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tempire |
hmm. maybe I was wrong. sri did retweet #4. |
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tempire |
so did a bunch of other folks. |
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sri |
well, i normally write a real tweet too |
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tempire |
I wouldn't think that would matter, as long as the link is out there on the stream. |
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tempire |
huh. I didn't know about the metacpan.org api. |
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tempire |
that is super neat |
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sri |
it's elasticsearch |
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sri |
btw. if anyone is looking for an excuse to learn more about mojolicious internals, i wouldn't mind patches for making unit tests faster |
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sri |
there are many tests that just block for a second or two |
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sri |
maybe there are ways to reach the same result without blocking as much |
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sri |
i can't get them below 20 seconds anymore |
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crab |
sri: i don't use the resolver, so i don't especially care. |
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sri |
crab: ok, not particularly surprised though :) |
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crab |
besides, if i ever need it, i can pull the code out of git and use it. |
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