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crab |
it was only used by the useragent, right? |
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sri |
yes, or more specifically Mojo::IOLoop->connect |
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sri |
http://northstudio360.yb.nl/ni[…]wf?c=config_embed |
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sri |
wow |
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sri |
wonder how hard such a 360 degree movie player would be with html5 |
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tempire |
dude |
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tempire |
I appreciate that it's the male symbol that directs movement |
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tempire |
that's right! |
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crab |
yes, if you grab hold of someone's "male symbol", you can pretty well direct their subsequent movements. |
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MojoGuest314 |
From: http://blog.kraih.com/perl-is-ready-for-html5 (28 hits) |
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marcus |
crab: stay away from my male symbol! |
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* sri |
yawns |
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marcus |
good morning, sri |
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sri |
good morning, marcus |
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kjeldahl |
I need to gracefully take down a running morbo server, for implementing automatic upgrades and restarts, on a Windows server nonetheless. Any suggestions on how to convince morbo to shut down gracefully, either through a special route or whatever? |
| 12:33 |
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Sjors |
kjeldahl: not an answer to your question but it might help: did you know Hypnotoad, another Mojo daemon, implements automatic upgrades by graceful take-over by itself? |
| 12:34 |
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Sjors |
kjeldahl: if you want to restart a running Hypnotoad daemon, just re-run it; the old one will stop listening but will finish its current requests, and the new one will immediately start listening and take over all new requests |
| 12:40 |
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kjeldahl |
Sjors: I do not think Hypnotoad runs on Windows... |
| 12:41 |
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Sjors |
kjeldahl: hmm, I don't know, sorry |
| 12:42 |
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kjeldahl |
Sjors: I think it does not (remember vaguely from looking at the available daemons earlier). Windows, it's not like a box of chocolate, you always not what you will not get... ;-) |
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Sjors |
hehehehe |
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purl |
hehehehehe |
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kjeldahl |
always KNOW what you .... |
| 12:43 |
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Sjors |
ah nope |
| 12:43 |
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Sjors |
die "Hypnotoad not available for Windows.\n" |
| 12:43 |
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Sjors |
if $^O eq 'MSWin32' || $^O =~ /cygwin/; |
| 12:43 |
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Sjors |
too bad :( |
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kjeldahl |
Yeah, sounds familiar... |
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sri |
morbo was specifically designed not to restart gracefully |
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sri |
it's for development only |
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sri |
i suppose you could build your own windows optimized hypnotoad somehow by reusing Mojo::Server::Daemon the same way |
| 13:03 |
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sri |
not something we will include in core though |
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MojoGuest685 |
From: http://blog.kraih.com/perl-is-ready-for-html5 (29 hits) |
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kjeldahl |
sri: Yes, I\ |
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kjeldahl |
I do not see the why quitting/restarting gracefully was specifically not designed into a development only server, but that's just me. It does make using Mojo on windows more difficult though, but that could be a good design choice by itself I guess. |
| 13:14 |
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sri |
for a good user experience morbo needs to restart as quick as possible, graceful restart feature would only get in the way there |
| 13:19 |
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crab |
and really, nothing should encourage you to use morbo as anything BUT a development server |
| 13:20 |
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kjeldahl |
crab: So which server on Windows are you suggesting? That's the idiotic choice I'm facing... |
| 13:22 |
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kjeldahl |
sri: A graceful shutdown, when needed, should not get in the way of anything. I want it to exit; whether it takes a second or ten does not matter. It matters for restarts, but I want the damn thing to stop running so we can do updates, and then restart later... |
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sri |
kjeldahl: it gets in the way of maintainability, more code to maintain that's hard to test and like crab said, it only encourages people to use morbo in production |
| 13:29 |
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sri |
there is Mojo::Server::Daemon |
| 13:29 |
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sri |
"MOJO_MODE=production ./myapp.pl daemon" |
| 13:30 |
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sri |
it's the core of both, morbo and hypnotoad |
| 13:31 |
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sri |
so all features or hooks to implement features are there |
| 13:32 |
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sri |
i personally don't consider windows a deployment target, but if you do feel free to build an alternative to hypnotoad and morbo around Mojo::Server::Daemon |
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diegok |
s/ a deply.+?rget// # :-p |
| 13:42 |
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diegok |
s/ a deploy.+?rget// # :-p |
| 13:43 |
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sri |
it is a target for development |
| 13:44 |
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kjeldahl |
sri: Thanks, I'll look into the M::S::Daemon . As for building Windows specific code for anything, it's not on my current personal development plan, so hopefully some other sponsor will step forward later. :-) |
| 13:44 |
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* sri |
wonders if he didn't understand a joke diegok was trying to make |
| 13:45 |
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sri |
the .+? is confusing |
| 13:46 |
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diegok |
"i personally don't consider windows, but... (as deployment, as development, as anything that involve computers) :-p |
| 13:46 |
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sri |
ok, then i got it ;p |
| 13:47 |
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marty |
good morning gang |
| 13:47 |
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diegok |
but, last week I was defending the position of making ruby gems as much compatible to windows as possible at the rubyconf (buenos aires) :-p |
| 13:48 |
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diegok |
oh!, and talking about mojo to all the rubysts around :-p |
| 13:50 |
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kjeldahl |
sri: M::S::Daemon with a route that calls exit works just fine; thanks! |
| 13:51 |
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kjeldahl |
sri: Eh, which gets me nowhere of course without additional work. Oh well. |
| 13:52 |
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sri |
kjeldahl: Mojo::IOLoop->singleton->max_connections(0) |
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sri |
server will stop accepting connections and gracefully shutdown once all connections end |
| 13:54 |
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sri |
you can also use a timer to force a shutdown if graceful shutdown takes too long |
| 13:54 |
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sri |
Mojo::IOLoop->timer(300 => sub { exit }); |
| 13:55 |
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kjeldahl |
Thanks, will try. |
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judofyr |
diegok: most maintainers of Ruby gems don't have easy access to Windows though :/ |
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MojoGuest84 |
From: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1277067 (123 hits) |
| 14:35 |
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Sjors |
hmm |
| 14:36 |
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Sjors |
it seems like when I output something with "%==" in a Mojo template, Mojo inserts a newline right after it |
| 14:36 |
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Sjors |
is there some way for me to make sure this doesn't happen? :/ |
| 14:42 |
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Sjors |
%== "Test" \n %== "Foo" \n %== "Bar" prints everything on its own line; a fix: |
| 14:42 |
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Sjors |
<%== "Test" %>\ |
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Sjors |
<%== "Foo" %> \ (etc) |
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kjeldahl |
sri: The max_connections(0) hack in a route does not seem to work. It stops the server (doesn't serve anything), but it does not exit. Any addition hints? |
| 15:04 |
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kjeldahl |
An explicit call to exit after it does not work either. |
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GitHub103 |
[mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/j4ue0w |
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GitHub103 |
[mojo/master] fixed small IPv6 portability issue in Mojo::IOLoop::Client - Sebastian Riedel |
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kjeldahl |
Gotta run. I'll ask again tomorrow, unless I find something in the meantime... |
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sri |
umm |
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sri |
perl -Ilib -Mojo -E'a("/" => sub { Mojo::IOLoop->singleton->max_connections(0); shift->render_text("works")})->start' daemon |
| 15:08 |
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sri |
it works flawless |
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crab |
maybe not on windows? |
| 15:14 |
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crab |
though it's hard to believe that "exit" doesn't work right on windows. |
| 15:14 |
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crab |
(but i'll believe it if i have to!) |
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crab |
heh, "Scalatra" |
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sri |
what the hell |
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sri |
we have dozens of tests containing $ENV{REQUEST_URI} but not a single one actually tests it |
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sri |
i'm gonna throw that apache only shit out |
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sri |
also bye bye mod_rewrite tests… i'm convinced they are garbage |
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* sri |
wants to strange the person who gabe him those tests cases |
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sri |
*strangle |
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sri |
argh |
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*gave |
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GitHub23 |
[mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/LN5OOw |
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GitHub23 |
[mojo/master] removed incomplete mod_rewrite tests from request_cgi.t - Sebastian Riedel |
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crab |
at one point, i used to be rather expert at mod_rewrite and its interaction with other things. |
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sri |
crab: you might want to join the list discussion then :) |
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sri |
and possibly save the day with a great solution |
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crab |
what i learned from my time with mod_rewrite was: when people start asking questions, head in the other direction. |
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sri |
there is so much garbage in apache cgi environments |
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sri |
heh |
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sri |
that does sound wise indeed |
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marcus |
When The going gets tough. |
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marty |
The tough GO SHOPPING! |
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batman |
i'm going to discuss security tomorrow with a coworker, who wants the code to be readable and understandable. reason for this is that he feels that if he's in control of the complete code, it's more secure... |
| 19:58 |
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batman |
what i try to convince him of, is that it's better to stand on the shoulders of others instead of trying to fix the same issues over again... |
| 19:59 |
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batman |
got any input on how to convince him? :P |
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marcus |
http://imgur.com/0FAqT |
| 20:00 |
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batman |
got an example: he asked me how many lines of code net-server was, and i told him it was about 9000 lines long, he didn't respond well... he wants to know how the data flows from the client and to the application core, to be sure it doesn't do anything insecure... |
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batman |
marcus: haha! |
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batman |
i thinkt that was for me? :) |
| 20:00 |
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marcus |
batman: for your coworker ;) |
| 20:00 |
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batman |
yeah, yeah |
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batman |
excellent |
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batman |
but i think he's looking for some hard facts... |
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marcus |
security is hard, let's go shopping |
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marcus |
of course a big closed source code is much more vulnerable than a hardened open source code base that has had actual people trying to break it. |
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batman |
but i mean... what's the worst thing that can happen, until the data actually appears in your controller? |
| 20:02 |
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batman |
marcus: yeah, i tried explaining him that as well... |
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marcus |
batman: ask him if he thinks security through obscurity is a good idea. |
| 20:02 |
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batman |
marcus: i told him that plack, net-server, mojolicious ++ was used by thousands, so if something was messed up, it would probably already be fixed |
| 20:03 |
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batman |
marcus: i'm afraid of the answer :P |
| 20:03 |
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marcus |
there's already been vulnerabilities detected in the mojolicious code base and quickly fixed in the early days. which means that there are actual people looking for it. which means that it's already better than writing it yourself. |
| 20:04 |
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batman |
another thing... am i wrong when i say that probably 99% of all mistakes happen -after- the frameworks has handled the data over to the code in the controller? |
| 20:04 |
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marcus |
http://blog.kraih.com/mojolici[…]lease-please-upgr |
| 20:04 |
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marcus |
batman: yupp |
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batman |
yep. i saw that. |
| 20:04 |
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batman |
i'm loving it when people twitter about mistakes, hickups and vulnerabilities |
| 20:04 |
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marcus |
that was an issue in the static server tho |
| 20:05 |
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batman |
like github, dotcloud, cloudflare, ... |
| 20:05 |
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batman |
still. it was an issue. and it got fixed :) |
| 20:06 |
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batman |
i'm guessing my estimate of 99% isn't accurate enough though... i'm guessing more like 99.9999% :) |
| 20:06 |
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batman |
tomorrow i'm going to explain to him how the data flows though a socket to the core of the app (the controller) ... |
| 20:06 |
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marcus |
There are a *lot* of XSS holes out there. |
| 20:07 |
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marcus |
at least mojolicious mitigates that a bit by escaping all your template data by default. |
| 20:07 |
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batman |
i'm going to make some big gaps in the drawing, where the kernel and perl does its handling...... |
| 20:08 |
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batman |
i think one of the good things about mojolicious is that at least there's no xs holes, since it's pure perl right? |
| 20:08 |
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batman |
(yeah, i read your "xss") |
| 20:08 |
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sri |
phew, almost 1000 lines ofcode removed during the last few weeks, feels good :) |
| 20:08 |
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batman |
sri: yeah, that always feels good... |
| 20:08 |
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marcus |
judofyr who works for me found a XSS exploit in bokskya and used it to create a SSO mechanism that redirects people to their login then posts the password back to him :D |
| 20:09 |
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marcus |
so that he could use the credentials to convert their books to kindle :D |
| 20:09 |
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batman |
sweet |
| 20:09 |
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marcus |
sri: does that include the async resolver? :) |
| 20:10 |
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sri |
it does |
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sri |
it's about 300 of those ;p |
| 20:11 |
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sri |
oh, and i did not include stuff i deprecated, that's another 300 or so |
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marcus |
\o/ |
| 20:12 |
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sri |
gotta love perls expressiveness, lines just melt away when you pay a little attention |
| 20:14 |
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sri |
11331 lines in lib and 16280 lines in t |
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marcus |
'"g. I don't even see the code. All I see is blonde, brunette, redhead." |
| 20:17 |
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sri |
Oo |
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marcus |
-- the matrix |
| 20:18 |
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marcus |
https://metacpan.org/favorite/leaderboard # dancer is ahead now. |
| 20:18 |
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sri |
QUICK SOMEONE MAKE 10 NEW GITHUB ACCOUNTS! |
| 20:19 |
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sri |
how can i not recognize a matrix quote… WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME? :o |
| 20:21 |
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sri |
metacpan +1 really went downhill once they started allowing non cpan ids to vote |
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marcus |
it's still just a prototype, it's not even linked up yet afaik. |
| 20:25 |
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marcus |
suggested a new leaderboard that you might do well on - https://github.com/CPAN-API/me[…]an-web/issues/392 :p |
| 20:25 |
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sri |
lol |
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sri |
tags would also be cool |
| 20:27 |
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sri |
many fun statistics |
| 20:28 |
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batman |
starman is one request pr child, or..? |
| 20:28 |
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batman |
since it's built on net-server... |
| 20:28 |
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marcus |
batman: starman is preforking |
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batman |
and? |
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sri |
but it is one request per child |
| 20:28 |
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marcus |
ah, you mean it's not async. |
| 20:29 |
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batman |
so if you have a pool of 20 children, you can handle 20 requests at a time... |
| 20:29 |
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sri |
correct |
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marcus |
This module actually includes the longer alias and an empty subclass HTTP::Server::PSGI::Net::Server::PreFork for those who like to type more ::'s. |
| 20:29 |
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batman |
but hypnotoad can handle x number of requests pr child, but if course each code block will...uhm...block... :) |
| 20:29 |
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marcus |
<3 miyagawa |
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batman |
s/if/of/ |
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marcus |
batman: yes |
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sri |
you can configure hypnotoad for 1 request per child too though |
| 20:31 |
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marcus |
urgh, so tired of probabilities. |
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batman |
so if i want to handle many connections, i need to apply my POE mojo to mojolicious? |
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marcus |
hidden markov chains in AI-Class this week |
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marcus |
batman: async only makes sense if you do async stuff |
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marcus |
like waiting for http responses |
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batman |
so the answer is yes. |
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marcus |
or using anyevent modules |
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batman |
i don't like AE :( |
| 20:32 |
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batman |
https://metacpan.org/module/An[…]TFTPd#DESCRIPTION <-- |
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marcus |
batman: you can use it with EV tho, which integrates into mojolicious |
| 20:32 |
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Shaeto |
i have started to polish startup sub and still don't understand why ->route('/mypath')->namespace('my::class::path')-> doesn't work. if i embedd namespace => to every ->to( ..) construction it works fine but why route node can't apply namespace to all chilldren ? |
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* marcus |
just noticed https://metacpan.org/module/EV::ADNS |
| 20:34 |
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marcus |
sri: might be a reasonable alternative for people still wanting async dns with mojolicious? |
| 20:34 |
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sri |
there is also AE::DNS |
| 20:35 |
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sri |
i might actually have added the AE backend to mojolicious core if the 6.1 release didn't happen |
| 20:36 |
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marcus |
I don't understand why you shouldn't use async with UDP? |
| 20:36 |
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marcus |
AE author on crack? |
| 20:36 |
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sri |
context? |
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marcus |
sri: https://metacpan.org/source/ML[…]nt/Handle.pm#L573 |
| 20:37 |
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batman |
marcus: it was after MLEHMANN looked at my module... |
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sri |
marcus: actually makes sense in that context |
| 20:38 |
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batman |
sri: then please enlighten me... |
| 20:38 |
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xaka |
Shaeto: long time ago i was catched by the same "issue" :) sometimes mojo works in a bit different way, not how you expect if u dont read docs. Your solution is ...->to(namespace => ...)-><children> |
| 20:39 |
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sri |
the module was designed for streams, not messages |
| 20:39 |
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batman |
sri: but it worked nicely. |
| 20:39 |
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xaka |
Shaeto: just replace your namespace(...) with to(namespace => ...) |
| 20:39 |
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batman |
he changed the code + added the comment so my code *should* not work... |
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sri |
i've been lazy and used my stream abstraction layer for udp too, doesn't make it right |
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sri |
always felt wrong |
| 20:40 |
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xaka |
sri: is doesn't fit very well for udp? |
| 20:40 |
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sri |
of course he's a jerk for actively preventing it |
| 20:40 |
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sri |
but it makes sense |
| 20:40 |
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Shaeto |
xaka: that will work but i have to put namespace to every ->to (..) :( |
| 20:40 |
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Shaeto |
or just ->to for upper node ? |
| 20:40 |
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batman |
i'll buy you beer sometime, if you would like to explain it to me :/ |
| 20:41 |
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xaka |
Shaeto: just ->to as i said |
| 20:41 |
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marcus |
sri: I bought a Beck for miyagawa this weekend ;-) |
| 20:41 |
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Shaeto |
damn that works, thanks, very unclear in docs |
| 20:41 |
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xaka |
Shaeto: children = ...->to(namespace => ...); children->route(...), ... |
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marcus |
beck's even |
| 20:42 |
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Shaeto |
thank you xaka |
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xaka |
sri: one more dude catched ^^^ ) |
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sri |
batman: in fact i think IO::Socket::INET is wrong for allowing you to do UDP |
| 20:42 |
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xaka |
put the cross (mark) on to the wall :-p |
| 20:42 |
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batman |
sri: then i really think you need to give up on me :P |
| 20:42 |
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marcus |
udp isn't really a socket, is it.. |
| 20:42 |
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xaka |
why not?! |
| 20:43 |
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xaka |
it is |
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marcus |
it's connectionless |
| 20:43 |
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sri |
it is |
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sri |
both |
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batman |
marcus: still a socket |
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purl |
Socket to me! or pretty nasty |
| 20:43 |
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xaka |
marcus: SOCK_DGRAM Supports datagrams (connectionless, unreliable messages of a fixed maximum length). |
| 20:43 |
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sri |
udp sockets are bound to a port |
| 20:43 |
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marcus |
true |
| 20:43 |
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xaka |
connectionless but still socket |
| 20:44 |
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* marcus |
goes back to his markov chains and laplacian smoothing |
| 20:44 |
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xaka |
free stanford courses? ;) |
| 20:44 |
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marcus |
yeah |
| 20:44 |
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sri |
using them like a stream only works when you don't care about host/port information… which is generally an indicator that you're lazy and doing it wrong |
| 20:45 |
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xaka |
there is 5 more have been added today (or yesterday) |
| 20:45 |
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xaka |
for a 2012 |
| 20:45 |
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marcus |
nice |
| 20:45 |
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marcus |
I'm phearing midterms this weekend |
| 20:45 |
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marcus |
for ai-class.com |
| 20:47 |
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xaka |
sri: you should mention somewhere in docs that if you want to use different namespace for all childrne, you have to do "to(namespace => ...)" instead of "namespace(...)" |
| 20:48 |
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sri |
xaka: it is mentioned |
| 20:48 |
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xaka |
Shaeto catched like i i'm long time ago |
| 20:48 |
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sri |
http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Mo[…]s_28_namespace_29 |
| 20:49 |
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Shaeto |
$r->namespace('MyApp::Controller'); |
| 20:49 |
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Shaeto |
from the doc |
| 20:49 |
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xaka |
aha |
| 20:49 |
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sri |
read the description too! |
| 20:49 |
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Shaeto |
doesn't work for sub routes |
| 20:49 |
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sri |
IN THE WHOLE APPLICATION! |
| 20:50 |
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xaka |
somehow it's unclear, sri. we dont push you, just let you know, dont be so angry when people trying help you |
| 20:50 |
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sri |
i don't care about problems, just solutions |
| 20:51 |
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marcus |
patches welcome? |
| 20:51 |
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purl |
i think patches welcome is always true or unless for search.cpan.org or swahili for "Put up or shut up." |
| 20:51 |
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xaka |
add one more section: if you want to change namespace for all children, use "to(namespace => ...)" |
| 20:51 |
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Shaeto |
+1 |
| 20:51 |
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purl |
1 |
| 20:51 |
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xaka |
"From time to time you might want to dispatch to a whole different namespace." - doesn't say that namespace inherited |
| 20:51 |
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sri |
that's implicit |
| 20:52 |
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Shaeto |
actually no :) |
| 20:52 |
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sri |
*all* to() values are inherited |
| 20:52 |
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sri |
ALWAYS |
| 20:52 |
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marcus |
I'd rather inherit a pony. |
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* sri |
demans a unicorn |
| 20:52 |
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sri |
*+d |
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marcus |
I wonder how unicorn tastes |
| 20:52 |
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marcus |
probably like chicken |
| 20:53 |
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xaka |
doc is really big (and well written) so you cant remember everything, especially that everything inherited ) |
| 20:53 |
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marcus |
xaka: I suggest a pull request |
| 20:53 |
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xaka |
then tastes lake a horse, magic horse |
| 20:53 |
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xaka |
*they |
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marcus |
horse is pretty yummy. |
| 20:53 |
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marcus |
we have horse shashlik sometimes. :) |
| 20:53 |
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xaka |
magic means coca, marijuana, ... P:) |
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sri |
tastes like rainbow |
| 20:54 |
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marcus |
horse shashlik where you don't need to bring beer \o/ |
| 20:54 |
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xaka |
mmmm...shashlik |
| 20:54 |
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xaka |
what the analog in english? |
| 20:55 |
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marcus |
barbeque I guess |
| 20:55 |
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xaka |
noooo, it's to common |
| 20:55 |
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xaka |
*too |
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sri |
also, why the hell do people switch namespaces so frequently? |
| 20:55 |
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marcus |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shashlik |
| 20:55 |
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xaka |
usually barbeque means the beer ) |
| 20:55 |
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sri |
what is wrong with you people! ;p |
| 20:56 |
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batman |
this used to be my module, before leont *fixed* it: https://metacpan.org/module/An[…]RDS-COMPATIBILITY |
| 20:57 |
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sri |
the whole idea that you connect a udp socket is a little irritating imo |
| 20:58 |
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sri |
you bind, send and receive |
| 20:58 |
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batman |
that's strange... i think he was at the yapc. too bad i didn't recognize him :/ |
| 20:58 |
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batman |
sri: agree |
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marcus |
wonder if he was at lpw, face seems familiar |
| 20:59 |
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batman |
marcus: makes sense |
| 20:59 |
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purl |
makes sense is, like, http://xrl.us/bjq3kq |
| 21:01 |
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batman |
sri: i only implemented the server part, and my ::UDP module only had the "on_read" event. |
| 21:02 |
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batman |
also: "Does not make any sense for UDP: on_prepare, on_connect, on_connect_error, keepalive, oobinline and on_eof." |
| 21:02 |
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sri |
i think the best non-blocking udp api i've seen so far was in node.js |
| 21:02 |
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sri |
http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.6.1/api/dgram.html |
| 21:04 |
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sri |
IO::Socket::INET really encourages bad udp apis, doing it properly is really hard, try sending to a ipv6 host... |
| 21:05 |
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batman |
really annoying... i don't get Mojo/Server/Hypnotoad.pm *reading more code over again* |
| 21:06 |
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marcus |
ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD |
| 21:06 |
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sri |
ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD! |
| 21:07 |
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sri |
hypnotoad is a little tricky due to zero downtime restarts |
| 21:08 |
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sri |
HERE BE DRAGONS |
| 21:09 |
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batman |
but is all the read/write socket stuff handled inside IO::Poll...? |
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batman |
nevermind... |
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batman |
i don't bother to understand everything :P |
| 21:10 |
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batman |
i'm going to kick ass in the discussion tomorrow nomatter :) |
| 21:11 |
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marcus |
batman: ioloop |
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batman |
i don't see it... |
| 21:11 |
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batman |
marcus: don't bother. i'm off :) |
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* marcus |
doesn't bother |
| 21:12 |
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marcus |
time to find my robot! |
| 21:12 |
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batman |
catch it before it catches you :) |
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marcus |
http://nordaaker.com/docs/skit[…]111117-221246.jpg |
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sri |
hmm, github bot fail |
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sri |
anyway, new namespace description http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Mo[…]s_28_namespace_29 |
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sri |
i've also promoted the nested routes description with stash inheritance |
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GitHub94 |
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GitHub94 |
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* marcus |
signs up for HCI and game theory classes in january . Thanksxaka |
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* sjn |
is impressed by marcus' seemingly bottomless access to time |
| 21:42 |
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sjn |
:) |
| 21:43 |
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marcus |
sjn: I'll be done with AI-class by then |
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marcus |
and hci should be much easier for me ;-) |
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sjn |
assumption is the mother of all fuckups ;) |
| 21:45 |
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sjn |
but sure, ome class should be doable if you spend your time right :) |
| 21:45 |
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sjn |
now* |
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sjn |
uhm. one* |
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sri |
once he's done he can make the AI do all the real work for him |
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marcus |
sri++ |
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marcus |
sjn: yeah, I tried for two classes this fall and failed, so I might drop out of one after christmas as well, but I'm not sure which of game theory and hci I want more, so I'll start both |
| 21:48 |
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sjn |
game theory can be interesting if you can handle the math |
| 21:48 |
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sjn |
hci is something you can play with at hackerspaces :D |
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sjn |
kinect ftw |
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marcus |
sjn: well, I'm barely handling the math for aiclass at the moment :-) But I had something like HCI the first year of college. It's like 15 years ago tho, so I hope the field has moved a long a bit. |
| 21:52 |
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marcus |
but at least most of the math I'm struggeling with now is calculation of probabilities, so it should be a nice preparation for game theory ;-) |
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marcus |
struggling |
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marcus |
sri: shouldn't Mojolicious::Plugins pod say something about which events run_hook supports out of the box? |
| 21:55 |
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marcus |
want a pull request for that? |
| 21:57 |
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sri |
marcus: Mojolicious.pm does that |
| 21:58 |
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sri |
it's not really events in the case of Mojolicious::Plugins |
| 21:59 |
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marcus |
sri: true, the pod I was looking at has changed to emit_ stuff in any case :) |
| 21:59 |
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marcus |
which is a bit clearer |
| 22:00 |
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marcus |
was looking at an older codebase |
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sri |
ah |
| 22:05 |
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marcus |
sri: what do you think about X-Proxy-Path header? For my plugin. |
| 22:06 |
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sri |
why not X-Forwarded-Path? |
| 22:07 |
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marcus |
sri: thought about that, but it's not the full path. for a url /foo/bar/baz where myapp serves /bar/baz proxy-path is /foo |
| 22:07 |
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sri |
think that's what you said last time |
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marcus |
I'd expect -forwarded-path to be /foo/bar/baz |
| 22:07 |
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sri |
true |
| 22:08 |
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sri |
X-Forwarded-Script :) |
| 22:08 |
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marcus |
looks like catalyst uses X-Forwarded-Path |
| 22:08 |
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marcus |
with {using_frontend_proxy} |
| 22:09 |
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marcus |
there's also https://metacpan.org/module/Ca[…]equest::ProxyBase |
| 22:10 |
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marcus |
maybe just support X-Request-Base then |
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* sri |
shrugs |
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marcus |
I miss perlrocks :-/ |
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marcus |
can't we get it back without the translations? |
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marcus |
I find it funny that the Mojolicious version of https://metacpan.org/source/BO[…]uest/ProxyBase.pm was 2 lines of actual code. |
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sri |
it was broken, refused to stay connected |
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sri |
feel free to take it over |
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marcus |
https://metacpan.org/source/MR[…]in/RequestBase.pm |
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sri |
marcus++ |
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marcus |
I might, but not now. |
| 23:09 |
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marcus |
bedtime right now :) |
| 23:09 |
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sri |
give it AI! :D |
| 23:09 |
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marcus |
You *will* phear it :) |
| 23:09 |
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marcus |
I might write it as a hubot plugin :p |
| 23:10 |
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marcus |
that way I can use it on nordaaker as well |
| 23:10 |
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marcus |
but it would be a bit sad if perlrocks ran coffeescript |
| 23:10 |
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sri |
haha, that would be cool |
| 23:10 |
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sri |
the first part, not the second |
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marcus |
nite |
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sri |
nn |
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