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IRC log for #mojo, 2011-11-25

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00:04 sri marty: non-word characters is a perl term that describes \W
00:27 marty sri:  Thanks for the info
00:28 sri any time :)
01:01 crab hi.
01:05 * sri waves
01:06 crab so there's this thing i wrote as a .cgi with zero cpan dependencies
01:06 crab and as time passes, i'm less and less motivated to do anything to it because it's not as convenient as using mojo
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01:26 hipster-tempire I used cgi before it was popular
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06:24 GitHub90 [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/yvGSmQ
06:24 GitHub90 [mojo/master] improved Mojo::EventEmitter debug output - Sebastian Riedel
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07:58 GitHub165 [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/7a5eFg
07:58 GitHub165 [mojo/master] improved Mojo::EventEmitter performance slightly - Sebastian Riedel
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08:03 sri new output shows all events
08:03 sri MOJO_EVENTEMITTER_DEBUG=1 ./script/mojo get --method HEAD mojolicio.us
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08:08 GitHub146 [mojo/master] mention which events are emitted safely - Sebastian Riedel
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08:20 sri MOJO_EVENTEMITTER_DEBUG=1 mojo get /
08:20 sri also quite informative
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11:34 GitHub105 [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/WpBn0A
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11:35 sri it's a few more lines but as far as i can see it doesn't cost any performance :)
11:38 sri http://pastie.org/2918923 # this is how it looks now, pretty cool imo
11:42 sri it's the full event stream for useragent and daemon
11:42 sri you can hook into every single one of them :)
11:44 marcus sri: we're getting norwegian translations of the guides ;-)
11:45 sri marcus: http://imgur.com/t1fXP
11:46 marcus sri: that's skyrim? :)
11:49 marcus sri: are you gaming again ? :-p
11:50 sri i've considered it, but managed to resist
11:51 sri every second post on reddit is about skyrim though, so it seems like kind of a big deal
11:52 marcus sri: new event debug is very cool.
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12:13 berov "you can hook into every single one of them :)"  *THIMBS UP!*
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12:22 sri http://pastie.org/2919064 # user agent only example
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12:51 MojoGuest798 /help
12:51 MojoGuest798 /fail
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14:14 simengangstad hey, im fairly new to mojolicious. But I can develope in obj-c and are kinda familliar with html. where su
14:14 marcus simengangstad: hay
14:14 marcus :)
14:14 simengangstad where do you people recommend to start at mojo
14:14 marcus simengangstad: I recommend reading the guides :-p
14:15 marcus http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Mojolicious/Guides
14:15 simengangstad yes, im doing that ;)
14:15 marcus actually, start by reading http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Mojolicious/Lite
14:15 marcus sri: say hi to simen :)
14:16 sri hi to simen :)
14:16 simengangstad is it a bot?
14:16 marcus simengangstad: to, it's the author of mojolicious
14:16 marcus purl: say hi to simen!
14:16 purl marcus: i'm not following you...
14:16 marcus that's a bot :)
14:17 * marcus pushes purl down the stairs
14:17 purl Hey! *thump* ow! *bang* argh! *bam* son of a *thump* *crunch* whimper...
14:17 * sri hugs purl
14:17 * purl smiles
14:18 simengangstad marcus: wich program do you write mojo in? ive used wim in the terminal so far...
14:18 * sri is a textmate snob
14:18 marcus <3 textmate
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14:20 simengangstad and then you just run that file you create in textmate with morbo [filename]?
14:20 simengangstad in the terminal?
14:21 marcus yea
14:22 marcus morbo will autoreload your changes
14:22 marcus so you can keep it open in textmate, and just test it in the browser
14:22 simengangstad cool
14:23 simengangstad im going to try more when i come home, dont have my mac now. just on the iphone
14:27 marcus neat
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14:35 simengangstad marcus: do you know any free mojo editors?
14:35 marcus simengangstad: you can use vim, I use that sometimes =)
14:35 marcus otherwise there's http://osx.iusethis.com/tag/editor?sort=​&amp;license_filter=1&amp;update=update
14:36 simengangstad hee iusethis, isnt it made with mojo?
14:36 marcus http://osx.iusethis.com/app/textwrangler
14:36 marcus it's made with catalyst :)
14:37 marcus it was made some time before mojolicious existed
14:37 simengangstad ok :)
14:37 marcus when you were like 8 years old :p
14:38 * marcus has to go pick up in the kindergarden. simengangstad, I'm always connected to irc even when I'm not here, so you can leave me questions and I will read them when I return to the computer.
14:39 simengangstad ok :)
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14:51 simengangstad hey people! can i use textwrangler for editing mojo?
14:52 Quai You can even edit mojolicious apps with edlin, if you have the nerves for it
14:53 simengangstad ok, so almost every html editor?
14:54 stephan48 everything what doesnt fuckup the syntax will work
14:57 simengangstad ok:)
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17:10 simengangstad Hey I´ve have question....
17:12 simengangstad When Im trying to reach the localhost server after morboing (the file) the browser only views: this page is brand new and has not been unboxed yet… What am I doing wrong?
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17:14 simengangstad_ anyone knows?
17:14 * purl *knows* simengangstad_ in that oh so special way
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19:36 simengangstad who has make this?
19:36 simengangstad made*
19:50 tempire simengangstad: that's the error page.
19:51 tempire scroll down, and it will give you an idea of what to do next
20:06 marcus Yo
20:12 tempire yO
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20:41 simengangstad_ hey… In the mojocast episode 2 I cant seem too get the methodes when I write ./hello routes… What did I wrong? This is the message:  -bash: ./hello: No such file or directory
20:42 marcus hey simengangstad_
20:42 marcus do you have a hello file? :)
20:42 simengangstad_ think so
20:42 simengangstad_ oh no...
20:43 simengangstad_ I named my project time….
20:43 marcus http://nordaaker.com/docs/skitch/1._D​efault_%28bash%29-20111125-214302.jpg
20:43 simengangstad_ stupid me
20:43 simengangstad_ then it will be ./time routes?
20:43 marcus failing is an excellent way of learning :)
20:43 marcus yupp
20:45 simengangstad_ marcus: thanks
20:45 simengangstad_ !
20:47 simengangstad_ mojolicious is pretty fun!
20:48 simengangstad_ little bit easier than obj-c in the beginning!
20:50 marcus good times! :)
20:51 marcus I also like obj-c
20:51 marcus it has become a little easier with ios5 actually
20:51 marcus storyboarding and ARC helps
20:51 simengangstad_ I know
20:51 simengangstad_ ARC helps alot, you dont have too retain and release hole the time
20:53 simengangstad_ But when i write the methode any, like this: any [qw/  get post head patch /] => '/:fname/:lname' => sub {
20:53 simengangstad_ shift->render('hello');
20:53 simengangstad_ };
20:54 simengangstad_ and route it in the terminal ive only get this…. ; Useless use of concatenation (.) or string in void context at ./time line 11.
20:54 simengangstad_ Useless use of a constant (/:fname/:lname) in void context at ./time line 11.
20:54 simengangstad_ Useless use of reference constructor in void context at ./time line 11.
20:58 simengangstad_ Got it :)
21:02 marcus hmm
21:02 marcus cool :)
21:02 tempire what's ARC?
21:02 purl i think ARC is Lisp-like or not as big as it should be. Probably getting consumed by alloc blocks from the L2ARC.
21:02 simengangstad_ what do you meen?
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21:02 marcus tempire: it's compiler magic
21:03 marcus tempire: apple inserts 'retain/release' as needed at compile time to avoid memory management issues.
21:03 simengangstad_ tempire: its ios 5 new memory managment
21:04 simengangstad_ and obj-c of course
21:04 tempire huh.  so it's like everything is autorelease now
21:04 tempire ?
21:04 marcus tempire: simengangstad_ will be doing google code-in mojolicious tasks btw.
21:04 marcus tempire: it's more advanced than autorelease. Autorelease retains everything until you pull the plug of the pool.
21:09 simengangstad_ marcus: You can implement html inside mojo code? Is that right?
21:10 marcus simengangstad_: typically you would put the html in a template
21:10 marcus but you can put templates inside the lite app file, yes
21:10 marcus at the bottom
21:10 purl at the bottom is "recent activity".
21:10 marcus in the __DATA__ section
21:10 simengangstad_ okay :)
21:12 simengangstad_ marcus: what about css and javascript?
21:14 marcus simengangstad_: you can either put it in the data section, or make a 'public' subdirectory and put it in there.
21:15 marcus simengangstad_: note that you can also make a 'templates' folder and put templates in if you prefer that you keeping them in your 'time' file
21:15 simengangstad_ okay :)
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21:53 simengangstad_ marcus: could you see my localhost page from your computer if i gave you the adress? Or is it over the home network?
21:54 marcus simengangstad_: it's on your home network, probably
21:54 marcus simengangstad_: you can just share your app through gist.github.com if you want tho
21:54 marcus simengangstad_: paste the source code in there
21:55 simengangstad_ okay, its just som pictures and text yet, but im learning more!
21:56 marcus cool.
21:59 simengangstad_ marcus: but the hole mojolicious framework is for building cool webapps and awesome websites?
21:59 marcus simengangstad_: yupp
22:00 marcus simengangstad_: it's very good for async apps, stuff like web sockets
22:00 simengangstad_ okay:)
22:01 marty Hewwow everywon
22:03 marty It's the biggest shopping day in the U.S. - forget async, lets go shopping.  :P
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22:04 marcus marty: shopping is hard, let's go programming :p
22:04 simengangstad what did i miss, my macbook lost its battery :/
22:05 marty lol - I totaly agree, hence my not being at the shopping malls today.
22:05 marcus simengangstad: nothing important, just marty saying we should be out shopping today, because it's black friday
22:05 simengangstad ohright
22:06 marty But I like Marcuss' idea better.
22:06 simengangstad yea programmming :/
22:07 simengangstad marcus: how many languages do you master?
22:07 marcus 'programming, motherfucker' - http://programming-motherfucker.com/
22:07 marcus simengangstad: hmm
22:08 marcus simengangstad: pascal, javascript, ruby, perl, obj-c, java, vbscript, vb...
22:08 marcus probably some others
22:08 marcus I forget
22:09 marcus bourne shell :)
22:09 simengangstad wow, I wanna go learning in Nordaaker
22:10 marty wow, prgraming motherfucker rocks!
22:10 simengangstad There seems to be so much clever people in your company
22:10 marcus simengangstad: Our youngest employee is 18 :-)
22:10 marcus (magnus holm / judofyr)
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22:11 simengangstad when ill be 18 ill probably ask if i could join you guys
22:12 marcus simengangstad: if you need a part time job once you start at vgs, come talk to us.
22:12 simengangstad looks awesome
22:13 simengangstad thank you!
22:13 simengangstad But i live in Trondheim
22:13 simengangstad ….
22:14 marcus ah :)
22:14 marcus I studied in trondheim for half a year :)
22:14 marcus in 1999
22:14 simengangstad on vgs?
22:14 marcus nah, at uni
22:14 marcus ntnu
22:15 simengangstad cool
22:15 marty Here is a black Friday poke for sri:  Rumor has it that Mojolicous and MongoDB would be a very kewl full stack solution.  -- Just sayin.   :)
22:15 simengangstad im planning a year in the usa at my last year at vgs
22:15 marcus I heard that rumor too.
22:15 marcus simengangstad: sounds like a cool plan.
22:16 simengangstad but does ntnu have special class for programming?
22:17 marcus yeah, both the university and the civil engineering part has it tracks
22:17 marcus ntnu has stuff like 'robotics', and artificial intelligence
22:18 simengangstad nice!
22:18 marcus I had 'Lisp' and search engine classes when I went there.
22:18 marcus So I guess I know lisp too, somewhat
22:18 marcus or at least I did
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22:35 simengangstad bye bye!
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23:03 tempire lisp lisp lisp!
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