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TrOx |
mojolicious \o/ |
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crab |
hi |
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purl |
hey, crab. |
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[mojo/master] updated Changes - Sebastian Riedel |
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sri |
crab: everything is usually ordered alphabetically, not chronological |
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crab |
ok. |
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sri |
and yea, status is just the CGI hack |
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sri |
i'm not exactly sure why it ever existed, or why that guy noticed it is missing |
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GitHub2 |
[mojo/master] better CGI tests - Sebastian Riedel |
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sri |
anyway, if it's there we might as well use it everywhere |
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GitHub63 |
[mojo/master] make alphabetical order a rule - Sebastian Riedel |
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sri |
better explicit than implicit |
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TrOx |
sri yes ! |
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TrOx |
sri explicit is better !! |
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GitHub104 |
[mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/PDNprw |
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GitHub104 |
[mojo/master] no multiple sentences on the same line - Sebastian Riedel |
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sri |
i've seen marcus do this, i think it makes POD much less maintainable |
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sri |
considering single line break has no effect on the generated output |
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crab |
that is weird. |
| 02:36 |
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sri |
what is? |
| 02:36 |
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crab |
saying each sentence must be on its own line. (i get the rationale, though.) |
| 02:37 |
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sri |
feel free to convince me that multiple sentences on one line are good |
| 02:41 |
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sri |
tempire/marcus: thoughts? |
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purl |
Moonlight shines through the dark night / clouds move overhead, casting shadows / dancing in the firelight |
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tempire |
I'm not sure I understand the issue. |
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sri |
https://github.com/marcusrambe[…]in/OAuth2.pm#L129 |
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sri |
you get to reformat paragraphs instead of sentences when you make a change |
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crab |
tempire: if you have sentences on separate lines, then your diffs are always smaller and neater when you change the wording in one or two places. |
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crab |
otherwise if you reflow the paragraph, you can get one big --- block and one big +++ block and reviewing what actually changed is a lot harder. |
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sri |
oh, i've not even considered diffs yet |
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crab |
sri: just two sides of the same coin, really. |
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crab |
less effort to edit <=> less effort to review |
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sri |
true |
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crab |
but, more effort to write. just a matter of getting used to it, though. |
| 02:50 |
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sri |
maybe for native english speakers, i actually change and reformat sentences a lot while writing |
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sri |
(at least in POD) |
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sri |
damn, those SOPA horror stories are scary |
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tempire |
referencee? |
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tempire |
*reference |
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sri |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/[…]A47RUwO_blog.html |
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tempire |
I want to cry today |
| 03:01 |
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sri |
and of course my favorite https://twitter.com/#!/SteveKi[…]47371129177255936 |
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tempire |
between the current live debate, the NDAA, and SOPA, I don't know why china hasn't destroyed us all yet. |
| 03:02 |
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sri |
that congressman just surfs the web while SOPA is being discussed |
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tempire |
at least before their bubble bursts and they collapse |
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crab |
sri: wow |
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crab |
i can imagine being bored in a congressional hearing, but saying you're goofing off on twitter... |
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tempire |
I don't actually mind that tweet |
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tempire |
as long as he knows the issue in and out. |
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crab |
which he does? |
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tempire |
not knowing about that congressman, I can't say |
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tempire |
the republican debate has the google instant message sound whenever the candidate should wrap up. |
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tempire |
it's really disconcerting. |
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tempire |
I've been looking for a chat window for 30 minutes. |
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sri |
heh |
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cfedde |
congress' favorite sport. Right after "blame the victim" |
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sri |
http://www.salon.com/2011/12/1[…]on_bill_into_law/ # you americans sure love your freedoms |
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tempire |
indeed. |
| 03:19 |
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purl |
indubitably |
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tempire |
we're like the uk up in here now. |
| 03:19 |
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cfedde |
we hate other peoples freedoms more than we love our own. |
| 03:19 |
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tempire |
it seems to be the nature of comfort-driven societies |
| 03:20 |
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* tempire |
cries |
| 03:21 |
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crab |
there there, it'll all be better when michelle bachman is your president. |
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sri |
:) |
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* tempire |
bawls |
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cfedde |
yay! Insane milf wanabe for prez |
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tempire |
I think I'd vote for the hot moderator |
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cfedde |
we should use the voting technology they use on dancing with the stars. |
| 03:25 |
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* tempire |
turns off debate |
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* tempire |
takes solace in technology |
| 03:28 |
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tempire |
I'm following the chain of actions, and I'm looking @ IOWatcher->_one_tick, which seems to be the core of everything. |
| 03:28 |
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sri |
one core, EV has a different one |
| 03:28 |
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tempire |
right |
| 03:29 |
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tempire |
$poll is working with the system poll, but I'm curious about the $handles->{fileno $_}->{write} cb |
| 03:29 |
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tempire |
and ->{read} |
| 03:29 |
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tempire |
trying to track down exactly what that is |
| 03:29 |
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sri |
those are the callbacks associated with the read/write events of that file descriptor |
| 03:30 |
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sri |
they get defined with ->watch i think |
| 03:30 |
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tempire |
ooooh |
| 03:37 |
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tempire |
Mojolicious->start, Mojolicious::Commands->start, Mojolicious::Command->start, Mojolicious::Command->run, Mojo::Server::Daemon->prepare_ioloop, ::Server::Daemon->start |
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tempire |
where does ->watch get called? |
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tempire |
IOWatcher->watch, I mean |
| 03:38 |
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sri |
uch lower level |
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sri |
*+m |
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sri |
in the Mojo::IOLoop::* classes |
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sri |
which get used by Mojo::IOLoop and which then gets used by Mojo::Server::Daemon |
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tempire |
read/write handle via ->watch are assigned in ->_accept |
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tempire |
which seems to be called by ->resume |
| 03:41 |
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tempire |
trying to track down where resume is initially called |
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tempire |
ah, probably ->_listening, which is called when the daemon is initially set up, and whenever daemons are reactivated |
| 03:44 |
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sri |
there are two handles involved |
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sri |
one is the listen socket, the other the accepted one |
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sri |
the _accept code is primarily for TLS, which has its own handshake that needs to be handled non-blocking |
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sri |
for the IOWatcher layer the TLS handshake looks like normal I/O |
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sri |
after that Mojo::IOLoop::Stream is in control of the handle |
| 03:49 |
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sri |
(accepted one is not reaaly just one, could be a thousand) |
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tempire |
hmm. this is going to take a while. I'm not sure how all the layers interact. |
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sri |
Mojo::IOLoop glues them together |
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sri |
think i would start at the top and follow the layers down |
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tempire |
That's where I started. thought I had an idea, but then I couldn't account for ::Stream, and realized I missed a bunch. |
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sri |
useragent/daemon -> Mojo::IOloop -> Mojo::IOLoop::* -> Mojo::IOWatcher |
| 03:51 |
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sri |
the ::Client/::Server classes basically prepare handles for ::Stream to process |
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sri |
btw. if you think i'm going too far with the codingguidelines or you'd like some additions, just say something please |
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sri |
can't help myself, i like everything to be in order, i'm german :/ |
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crab |
a friend of mine makes fun of me for being particular for parking exactly parallel to the lines (or failing that, perpendicular to the kerb) |
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crab |
he says i should live in ottobrunn, where everyone is like me |
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MojoGuest944 |
From: http://blog.kraih.com/perl-is-ready-for-html5 (77 hits) |
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MojoGuest944 |
test chat |
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MojoGuest944 |
this is nice |
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MojoGuest944 |
hi there |
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MojoGuest924 |
test? |
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purl |
test is not there :-/ |
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MojoGuest924 |
e |
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MojoGuest944 |
oh sorry... just found this on the web |
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MojoGuest924 |
if it can go directly into their room then this would work great |
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MojoGuest944 |
yes |
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MojoGuest924 |
its probably able to be coded like that |
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MojoGuest924 |
right |
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MojoGuest924 |
this one is a set room |
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moves full screen macvim to portrait-mode monitor |
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traderos |
hows this? |
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sri |
crab: i can confirm that |
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sri |
tempire: how long does it take until the voting results are known? |
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sri |
oh wait |
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sri |
SOPA appears to have passed |
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sri |
:S |
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sri |
if i understand it correctly obama just has to sign it now |
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sri |
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-20[…]sion-delays-vote/ |
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sri |
confusing |
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purl |
confusing is my know-it-all attitude or the french mac keyboard layout |
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sri |
purl: yes, your know-it-all attitude is very confusing |
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purl |
...but purl's know-it-all attitude is confusing... |
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crab |
wtf |
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crab |
i wish www.perl.org were a bit less ugly. |
| 07:19 |
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crab |
or, well. maybe it's not so ugly. i wish it were a bit nicer. |
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GitHub103 |
[mojo] amenonsen pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/evJTjQ |
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GitHub103 |
[mojo/master] Link to learn.perl.org from Guides.pod (closes #244) - Abhijit Menon-Sen |
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sri |
crab: didn't marcus say he wanted to write it? |
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sri |
and it looks exactly like what we didn't want i'm afraid |
| 07:26 |
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purl |
afraid is, like, definitely the wrong word. :P |
| 07:27 |
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sri |
i thought we were going for links to tutorials and the modern perl book |
| 07:28 |
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crab |
oh, i didn't see marcus saying anything about it. |
| 07:28 |
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crab |
sri: the modern perl book is one of the books listed on that page. |
| 07:29 |
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sri |
i think you should have posted the proposal to the thread first |
| 07:31 |
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crab |
ok. i'll revert it. |
| 07:31 |
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sri |
crab: http://mojolicio.us/perldoc#LEARNING_PERL |
| 07:31 |
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sri |
formatting is not so great yet either |
| 07:32 |
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sri |
btw. website syncs regularly with master |
| 07:32 |
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sri |
so all changes will be live quickly |
| 07:33 |
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crab |
oh, that i didn't know. i'll keep that in mind. should i revert entirely, or link only to szabgab's tutorial (which seems to be the only worthwhile one) and the modern perl book? |
| 07:34 |
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sri |
don't think reverting is necessary, since it's already friday |
| 07:34 |
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crab |
i think simon cozens's book isn't bad to point someone to either, fwiw. |
| 07:34 |
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sri |
but it should be cleaned up during the day |
| 07:34 |
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sri |
crab: which book? |
| 07:34 |
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crab |
http://learn.perl.org/books/beginning-perl/ |
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sri |
learning perl section would have been a good feature branch exercise, too bad |
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sri |
looked good… until i saw introduction to cgi ;p |
| 07:36 |
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sri |
google docs is also rather annoying imo |
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purl |
okay, sri. |
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crab |
that's true. |
| 07:37 |
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crab |
i'll change it. |
| 07:37 |
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crab |
the problem with the tutorial is that it has holes. |
| 07:37 |
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sri |
which one? |
| 07:38 |
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crab |
http://szabgab.com/perl_tutorial.html |
| 07:38 |
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sri |
ah yea, agreed |
| 07:38 |
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crab |
it teaches the right things, but isn't finished. but i don't know of any other modern tutorial that's worth linking to |
| 07:38 |
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crab |
(and i looked, a bit) |
| 07:38 |
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sri |
like marcus said, at first sight it looks like a pay site where you get more chapters when you buy |
| 07:39 |
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crab |
yes. |
| 07:39 |
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sri |
i liked the other tutorial in the thread more |
| 07:39 |
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sri |
maybe tutorial, book, learn.perl.org |
| 07:39 |
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crab |
oh damn. |
| 07:40 |
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sri |
reopening the issue |
| 07:40 |
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crab |
i'm really sorry. i didn't realise that i only get notifications for the first post to /issues |
| 07:41 |
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crab |
i didn't realise until now that there was "the thread". i thought nothing had happened. |
| 07:41 |
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sri |
don't worry, a few screw ups are expected before the whole core team thing works :) |
| 07:42 |
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sri |
i'd rather have a few reverted commits than devs that are afraid to commit |
| 07:43 |
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sri |
and may i suggest feature branches again ;p |
| 07:43 |
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crab |
heh |
| 07:50 |
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sri |
but you do get a notification on github right? |
| 07:51 |
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sri |
i think i actually even get emails for all comments |
| 07:51 |
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sri |
got everything selected in the notification center though |
| 07:52 |
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sri |
ah |
| 07:52 |
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sri |
"Comments on Issues after me" |
| 07:52 |
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sri |
you get them if you comment |
| 07:52 |
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sri |
lesson, comment more :) |
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crab |
ah. |
| 08:18 |
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crab |
indeed, now i got your and tempire's comments. presumably because my commit counted as commenting. |
| 08:26 |
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tempire |
sri: I don't think sopa has been voted on yet. |
| 08:26 |
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tempire |
hearings continue tomorrow |
| 08:26 |
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sri |
i see, the article just said that there have been multiple votings already |
| 08:27 |
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sri |
and SOPA has passed every time |
| 08:28 |
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tempire |
It's all the proposed amendments. apparently any member can propose an amendment during the hearing. |
| 08:29 |
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tempire |
all in all, it's been a depressing day here in the center of the world |
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sri |
tempire: watched community yet? |
| 08:49 |
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tempire |
not yet. it wasn't on netflix |
| 08:50 |
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sri |
:S |
| 08:50 |
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sri |
that show is made for you |
| 08:53 |
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tempire |
I'm getting to it. |
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tempire |
I promise |
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DaTa |
shouldn't the $class argument of Mojo::Command::get_data default to (caller(1))[0] ? (and also of the get_all_data method) |
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sri |
DaTa: it's not really an enduser api that needs to be convenient |
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DaTa |
sri: ok, i take the risk of using it anyway :) |
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sri |
DaTa: not much of a risk, it has quite good tests |
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tempire |
Thinking about a service that accepts code snippets, where more experienced developers can revise the snippet to more idiomatic language usage. |
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sri |
marcus: it's friday ;p |
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marcus |
sri: thanks for telling me! |
| 09:28 |
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sri |
marcus: you're welcome! |
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marcus |
sri: I'm actually at work :) |
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sri |
so you're playing xbox with arne? :) |
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* sri |
cracks the whip |
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marcus |
Actually I'm at Startsiden, conslutting |
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marcus |
it's some years since we had home office at my apartment :) |
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sri |
aww |
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marcus |
since we're 9 people now, they wouldn't really fit in my apartment anymore either :p |
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sri |
oh my, nordaaker has grown quickly |
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sri |
marcus: btw. any thoughts about the two rules i added earlier? |
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GitHub179 |
[mojo/master] better learning perl links - Sebastian Riedel |
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sri |
so the links are at least there until marcus gets around to rewrite it properly |
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marcus |
sure! |
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sri |
http://mojolicio.us/perldoc#LEARNING_PERL # actually doesn't need to be much more |
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sri |
just some rephrasing |
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marcus |
yeah, it's good to keep it short and sweet |
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sri |
maybe mention that perl knowledge is a requirement for the tutorial |
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sri |
those two links are really good though |
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sri |
the perl tutorial could use a better url though |
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marcus |
should buy learn.pl |
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sri |
:) |
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tempire |
looks good |
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tempire |
well, to be picky, the second comma should be a semi-colon |
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sri |
marcus: you ok with formatting POD a little differently? |
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sri |
tempire: i'm sure there's a million punctuation errors in mojolicious ;p |
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* tempire |
detains sri indefinitely |
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sri |
:( |
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tempire |
we do that now. it's a thing |
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tempire |
:s |
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* sri |
delays mongodb driver indefinitely |
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tempire |
backfire! |
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sri |
that's the american way now |
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sri |
marcus: https://github.com/kraih/mojo/[…]256652c76b98bdc5f |
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sri |
i know you have a thing for putting multiple sentences on the same line :) |
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marcus |
sri: it's called a paragraph.... |
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sri |
marcus: i know |
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sri |
and POD doesn't care about single line breaks, it's still a paragraph |
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memowe |
\o/ |
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marcus |
sri: why not present it more like it's rendered? |
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marcus |
I guess it makes diffs easier tho |
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sri |
because it's easier to edit |
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sri |
and diffs yes |
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sri |
i hate reindenting the whole paragraph just because i changed a word in the first sentence |
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sri |
or fixed punctuation :) |
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sri |
which i predict will happen *a lot* |
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marcus |
I'm fine with it, but can't promise not to forget. |
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marcus |
will make an effort tho. |
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sri |
\o/ |
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marcus |
tempire: you've always been detaining foreigners. the new thing is that you can detain americans as well. |
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detains tempire indefinitely |
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crab |
whatever happened to yko? |
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sri |
he mentioned that he will have less time |
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sri |
hmm, think i'll revert the POD formatting rule again, since nobody really agreed with it |
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crab |
eh? everyone said it was ok |
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crab |
and it has clear maintenance benefits. |
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sri |
maybe i misunderstood then |
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crab |
it's not the kind of thing anyone is going to be wildly enthusiastic about, anyway. |
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sri |
seemed more like everyone was neutral |
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marcus |
sri: I'm happy with it. |
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sri |
but yea, always hard to say with these kind of small things |
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marcus |
\o/ \m/ \o/ |
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crab |
i'd say don't change it until enough people object to outweigh the simple edit/diff benefit |
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sri |
ok |
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* crab |
enables password expiry for his client's customers in $app |
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crab |
i expect panic-stricken phone calls any moment now... |
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vervain |
I'm not sure I get the pod editing discussion... but are you suggesting that pod is allowed to violate the 78 char textwidth? |
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sri |
nope |
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vervain |
Oh good. |
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sri |
just that lines like "Foo bar. Baz yada." become "Foo bar.\nBaz yada." |
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sri |
since POD renders both the same |
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sri |
mojolicious documentation actually always did that, i just proposed making it a rule for consistency |
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vervain |
So the start of every sentence is on a new line? |
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* sri |
nods |
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vervain |
Fugly. |
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sri |
only in the source, it gets rendered sharing a line |
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rhaen |
hm. hep everyone. |
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* sri |
waves |
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vervain |
I understand that... but being able to read the source correctly is as important as being able to read the output. |
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rhaen |
what's the best way to "cancel" a render request? Like - there is nothing to render? |
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vervain |
In any case... I'm guessing that you were after opinions... mine is a level 10 Fugly! :-) |
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vervain |
I'm new... but I'd just do text = '' |
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rhaen |
vervain: hm. could be. |
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rhaen |
vervain: that's actually a way :) |
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vervain |
Is markdown a standard perdoc format yet? |
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sri |
vervain: you really consider this that ugly? https://raw.github.com/kraih/m[…]uides/Routing.pod |
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vervain |
sri: Yes... all of those paragraphs that are poorly justified are misleading... because they will not render that way. |
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vervain |
Also... when I come along and do a vim gqap to 'fix' them you'll get pissed off. :-) |
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rhaen |
sri: ? |
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sri |
rhaen: ? |
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rhaen |
sri: you've made my life enjoyable again |
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rhaen |
sri: thanks for creating mojolicious. |
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* rhaen |
salutes. |
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sri |
my pleasure :) |
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sri |
rhaen: you write for a living, what's your stance on paragraph formatting in POD? |
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vervain |
gqap re-justifies a paragraph in vim... and like perldoc markdown etc it looks for blank lines to interpolate paragraphs. |
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rhaen |
sri: uh. hm, actually I have no opinion on that. |
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vervain |
sri: have you seen that multi line style anywhere else? |
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sri |
vervain: nope |
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vervain |
I'm trying hard to be open minded... but in thousands of pages both read and written I've never come across that... and my fingers are very much in the habit of re-justifying text based paragraphs. |
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rhaen |
sri: let me think about it (in the meeting I am attending right now :) ) |
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vervain |
oh and in case you didn't know already... my opinion is the most important and my views are gospel :-) |
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marcus |
all praise the savior, vervain! |
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sri |
i find it curious that you feel so strongly about it :) |
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vervain |
In fairness... as long as I don't get chastised for doing it different... I say each to his own on this rule (as long as rules don't get mixed in the same doc section) |
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vervain |
But I do consider it non-standard... but then again Mojo used 2 space indentation too... so screw standards. :-) |
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crab |
vervain: stick your fingers in a vise and teach them better |
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vervain |
s/used/uses/ :-) |
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crab |
thinking back to when i used to review and apply doc fixes to perl, i used to hate it when people arbitrarily reformatted paragraphs, often without making any real changes. |
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vervain |
crab: Not my intention at all. e.g. I _love_ two-space indents. Just surprised to find a 'mainstream' perl distro using them. |
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crab |
like there'd be a double-space somewhere, so they'd remove that, and reflow everything after it. gr. |
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sri |
<3 two-space |
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vervain |
crab: Maybe even when that two-spaces followed a . and was completely correct? ;-) |
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crab |
vervain: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/n[…]-is-wrong-period/ |
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crab |
oh, that's not the right one. http://www.slate.com/articles/[…]ace_invaders.html |
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marcus |
HIDE YO WIFE, HIDE YO CHILDREN! |
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vervain |
Ok... so i'll withdraw my 'completely correct' and replace it with completely acceptable... that article is wrong in that regard. :-) |
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crab |
anyway, no matter what formatting rules we use, someone is going to hate them |
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crab |
(e.g. i don't like two-space indents... but it doesn't stop me from using them for mojo) |
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vervain |
How cna you say that... two-space indents are what makes it better than the other frameworks. |
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vervain |
:-) |
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GitHub161 |
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GitHub161 |
[mojo/master] removed POD formatting rule again - Sebastian Riedel |
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sri |
it's arguable, and that's not good enough imo |
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* marcus |
adds some big walls of text to the pod |
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* sri |
tears down those walls |
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DaTa |
"Mr. Gorbatschow, tear down this wall" -- David Hasselhoff |
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crab |
sri: the others aren't arguable? :-) |
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crab |
everything is arguable! |
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sri |
crab: but with this one i'm arguing against myself :) |
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crab |
heh |
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marcus |
crab: it's the only opinion he values higher than his own. |
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crab |
:-) |
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sri |
;p |
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sri |
or is anyone else convinced? |
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sri |
if in doubt i tend to just go with the conservative option |
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wonders if the SOPA discussion continues today |
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Akron |
Showed a student today how easy it is to grab list items from Wikipedia using ojo. I never used ojo before, but the API of it + DOM + Collection is so well done, I was able to do it blindly. Mojolicious++ |
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sri |
Akron++ # you helped make it |
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Akron |
:) |
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GitHub110 |
[mojo/master] changed Mojo::IOLoop->client arguments from ($loop, $stream, $err) to ($loop, $err, $stream) - Sebastian Riedel |
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sri |
this one is a bit unusual |
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sri |
but while working on the mongodb driver i noticed that we need a convention for errors |
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sri |
i'm just gonna take the node.js one for now, where errors are always the first argument |
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sri |
(right after the invocant) |
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tempire |
What's the name of the javascript history manipulation thingy that github does? |
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gabiruh |
tempire: pushState? |
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tempire |
yes, thanks |
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gabiruh |
tempire: also, check History.js which degrades gracefully to whatever functionality the browser supports |
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tempire |
will do |
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batman |
marcus: why do you do my($err)=$tx->error; in Plugin::OAuth2 ? |
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cfedde |
apparently putting code after 'app->start;' confuses things. |
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cfedde: indeed, ->start is where the main loop happens |
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crab, nothing bad happened to me, I'm just damn busy developing kiev.pm, changing my life and doing all the stuff in the end of year |
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hey core team, i have mojo 2.37 and right now it consumes 100% CPU. i dunno what happened, but somehow socket hasn't been closed gracefuly by a client and i see tons of "write" calls with EPIPE error. i see mojo deals with EPIPE error, but stream still attached to ioloop |
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xaka |
i see IO::Poll returns POLLIN | POLLOUT | POLLHUP for the handle |
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xaka |
https://gist.github.com/6ab94d5d758d20f3fbf2 |
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xaka: are you using EV? |
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tempire: nope, i don't have it |
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tempire: interesting that even default stream timeout can't handle with it, it still trying to write data to invalid handle :) |
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