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xaka |
marcus: what's wrong? ) |
| 00:29 |
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xaka |
tempire: what is your opinion? |
| 00:29 |
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tempire |
xaka: about what? |
| 00:30 |
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tempire |
about the param return? |
| 00:30 |
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xaka |
when i do $data = {key => $self->param("key"}), it shows warnings just because there is no "key" parameter and it returns empty array because it ("param" sub) thinks "wantarray" happens |
| 00:32 |
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tempire |
I think you mean an empty list |
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tempire |
in general, lists are better than references. they allow for more flexibility. |
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tempire |
what are you using $data for? |
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xaka |
pass it to backend |
| 00:33 |
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tempire |
if you want it to be a reference, just wrap it in [] |
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xaka |
if i do "$value = $self->param("name"); $data = {key => $value}" - then no warnings, but i don't want to be tied to that code style just because of "wantarray". i just want to write "$data = {key => $self->param("name")}" |
| 00:36 |
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tempire |
then use scalar |
| 00:36 |
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tempire |
to force scalar context |
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tempire |
or $self->param('name').'' |
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tempire |
either way, same result |
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xaka |
that leads to weird looking code |
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tempire |
=> scalar $self->param('name') isn't weird |
| 00:38 |
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tempire |
it's just perl |
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tempire |
but if you want to have an arrayref regardless, then do => [$self->param('name')] |
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ccushing |
is there anyway to do a catalyst like ->detach ? |
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ccushing |
e.g go to another method and not return from it |
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ccushing |
well.. not return into the original method |
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sri |
moin |
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moin |
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GitHub86 |
[mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/Ys4LEg |
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GitHub86 |
[mojo/master] added JSON example for WebSockets - Sebastian Riedel |
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tempire |
ccushing: no. catalyst's detach isn't restful |
| 07:49 |
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tempire |
you want ->redirect_to |
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sri |
tempire: just the forwarding part of it isn't RESTful, the exception throw is just ugly |
| 08:35 |
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tempire |
you're referring to the exception throw of detach, right? |
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sri |
tempire: right |
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sri |
using exceptions for flow control |
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sri |
we have a problem |
| 09:52 |
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sri |
http://learn.perl.org/faq/perl[…]ork-should-I-use- |
| 09:52 |
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sri |
this will be in perl 5.16 |
| 09:54 |
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* Quai |
wonders what a question like "How do I put a password on my web pages?" does in a perlfaq.. |
| 09:55 |
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sugar |
people don't like unstableness |
| 09:55 |
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Debolaz |
sri: I would agree that might be a problem. |
| 09:55 |
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sri |
that level of favoritism is unacceptable |
| 09:56 |
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sugar |
it simple: more stable -> more mojo in prod |
| 09:56 |
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Debolaz |
If only say Catalyst was included, I could understand it (Catalyst has a very, very, very established culture) but when Dancer is included, it seems just completely arbitrary to leave out Mojo. |
| 09:56 |
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sri |
sugar: stfu |
| 09:56 |
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sri |
sugar: you have no idea what you're talking about |
| 09:57 |
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sugar |
sri: please be correct, don't be a fucking freak |
| 09:58 |
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berov |
" that level of favoritism is unacceptable" - agree |
| 09:59 |
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sugar |
i like many things in mojo, but dislike some problems on updates |
| 09:59 |
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sri |
sugar: then show me the ticket? |
| 09:59 |
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Debolaz |
sugar: Number of installations in prod obviously has nothing to do with that list when Web::Simple and Dancer (Both good frameworks, but closer to Catalyst than Mojo) are included in it. |
| 09:59 |
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Debolaz |
*but no closer |
| 10:04 |
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berov |
"If there is no interactivity then you may still want to look at using something like Template Toolkit" This is also not exactly right |
| 10:04 |
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berov |
but |
| 10:05 |
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sri |
sugar: unless you can point me to an open backcompat issue i'm going to ignore you from now on i'm afraid |
| 10:05 |
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berov |
what can we do about getting Mojo listed there |
| 10:05 |
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berov |
? |
| 10:06 |
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stephan48 |
sri: who maintains the list? |
| 10:07 |
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sri |
figuring it out atm |
| 10:07 |
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sri |
it's a little confusing |
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| 10:08 |
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marcus |
https://github.com/perl-doc-cats/perlfaq |
| 10:08 |
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marcus |
seems to be ranguard? |
| 10:08 |
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sugar |
sri: i don't check tickets, because i'm working now and don't have a time for it, but in my past work we had numbers of projects those worked only on it's on version of mojo |
| 10:08 |
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sri |
it's a group apparently |
| 10:09 |
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sri |
sugar: if a problem is not reported properly it does not exist |
| 10:09 |
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sugar |
sri: ok |
| 10:09 |
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marcus |
sugar: we have a stringent deprecation policy for mojolicous. If we violate it, it's a bug and should be reported. |
| 10:09 |
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sri |
to my knowledge there have been no backcompat issues in over a year |
| 10:11 |
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sugar |
marcus: yes it's good, but otherwise we had that situation as i described atop |
| 10:11 |
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berov |
https://github.com/perl-doc-ca[…]ab909e9dbd521b672 |
| 10:12 |
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* sri |
is preparing a pull request |
| 10:12 |
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sugar |
but i think mojo has some strengths for webdev |
| 10:16 |
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marcus |
sugar: that's very generous of you =) |
| 10:20 |
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sri |
https://github.com/perl-doc-cats/perlfaq/pull/22 |
| 10:20 |
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sri |
comment to support it :) |
| 10:24 |
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marcus |
I think we won't need to |
| 10:24 |
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marcus |
but I'd be sad to be proven wrong. |
| 10:24 |
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stephan48 |
he was fast |
| 10:25 |
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marcus |
yupp |
| 10:25 |
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marcus |
good stuff :) |
| 10:25 |
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marcus |
\o/ |
| 10:25 |
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sri |
\o/ |
| 10:30 |
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berov |
:) |
| 10:30 |
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berov |
sri: a question... |
| 10:30 |
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purl |
a question is more "unaffected by environment" |
| 10:32 |
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berov |
is there any plans to make Mojo Mo* compatible? |
| 10:32 |
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berov |
I mean for creating attributes |
| 10:32 |
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sri |
be more specific |
| 10:32 |
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berov |
ok wait... |
| 10:33 |
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berov |
http://search.cpan.org/~ingy/Mo-0.30/lib/Mo.pod - like this |
| 10:33 |
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sri |
no |
| 10:33 |
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berov |
ok |
| 10:43 |
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* sri |
should better get some breakfast now (missing it always makes me grumpy) |
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marcus |
Mo Money |
| 10:49 |
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sri |
that's better |
| 10:49 |
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sri |
sorry for cursing btw., once the channel sherriff pops up i'm sure he'll kick me for it |
| 10:50 |
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* sri |
pokes tempire |
| 10:50 |
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* sri |
kick sri no cursing! |
| 10:50 |
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sri |
ops |
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sri was kicked by sri: no cursing! |
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sri |
that's why he's the sherriff ;p |
| 10:51 |
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sri was kicked by marcus: no cursing or talking to yourself. |
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sri |
careful or i might get a concussion |
| 10:53 |
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sri |
"Yet thanks to my trusty safety sphere, I sublibed with only tribial brain dablage." |
| 10:57 |
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marcus |
sri: do you watch venture brothers? |
| 10:58 |
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sri |
nope |
| 10:58 |
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marcus |
you should! |
| 10:58 |
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marcus |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr2jz3q_P-A |
| 11:00 |
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sri |
bald guy seems sympathetic |
| 11:01 |
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marcus |
that's dr venture |
| 11:16 |
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bzero |
Hello. What is instead of "tick" in modern Mojolicious? |
| 11:18 |
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sri |
be more specific |
| 11:27 |
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bzero |
sri: poll->poll('0.025'); and usleep 25000 unless keys %{$self->{handles}}; at IOWatcher.pm. Is it not configurable? |
| 11:27 |
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sri |
no |
| 11:37 |
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bzero |
Thanks. |
| 11:48 |
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berov |
sri:,marcus: :) How about adopting Time::Piece in Mojolicious ;)? |
| 11:49 |
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marcus |
berov: uh? |
| 11:49 |
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berov |
ok will explain |
| 11:49 |
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sri |
what marcus said |
| 11:50 |
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berov |
https://github.com/kraih/mojo/[…]/lib/Mojo/Date.pm to use Time::Piece - it is in the CORE since 5.10 |
| 11:51 |
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berov |
http://perldoc.perl.org/5.10.1/Time/Piece.html |
| 11:51 |
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sri |
quite sure that would be more code, not less |
| 11:51 |
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berov |
really?!?!! |
| 11:52 |
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berov |
http://perldoc.perl.org/5.10.1[…]/Piece.html#USAGE |
| 11:52 |
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sri |
if you can make it require less code all glory to you |
| 11:52 |
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sri |
but i doubt it |
| 11:52 |
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berov |
ah hm oook will see |
| 11:52 |
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marcus |
berov: fork and pull request when it's less code? :) |
| 11:52 |
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berov |
haha ok |
| 11:52 |
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berov |
for now just scanning opinions |
| 11:53 |
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crab |
Time::Peace |
| 11:53 |
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berov |
but as a mojo-user I will be glad to know that Mojo::Date |
| 11:53 |
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berov |
is Time::Piece |
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crab |
as a mojo user, why would you care as long as whatever it was worked? |
| 11:54 |
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marcus |
Time::Piece::OfMind |
| 11:55 |
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sri |
nom nom nom |
| 11:55 |
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purl |
I eat your head! |
| 11:55 |
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berov |
because I will not have to use TP separately to do more advanced date parsin and producing |
| 11:56 |
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berov |
also TP is potentially faster |
| 11:56 |
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berov |
or no? |
| 11:56 |
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purl |
or a built-in |
| 11:56 |
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sri |
try it and tell us |
| 11:56 |
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berov |
good point :) ok I will |
| 11:58 |
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sri |
it has rather good unit tests too |
| 12:07 |
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sri |
if i remember right Time::Piece will go bonkers on parser errors |
| 12:07 |
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sri |
print warnings that can't be disabled and stuff like that |
| 12:09 |
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sri |
and you have to be careful not to depend on platform specific behavior |
| 12:10 |
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sri |
https://github.com/kraih/mojo/[…]t/mojo/date.t#L26 |
| 12:10 |
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sri |
those tests should give you a headache |
| 12:12 |
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* marcus |
wraps sri in an eval. |
| 12:12 |
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* sri |
throws exceptions at marcus |
| 12:12 |
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* sri |
segfaults! |
| 12:12 |
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purl |
No whammies! |
| 12:14 |
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sri |
purl seems sharper thn usual today |
| 12:14 |
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purl |
sri: what? |
| 12:14 |
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sri |
and that was that |
| 12:16 |
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marcus |
purl: jerk it? |
| 12:16 |
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purl |
marcus: SOMETIMES, WHEN I GO ON BUSINESS TRIPS OR VACATIONS, I DON'T GET A CHANCE TO MASTURBATE. WHEN YOU STOMP AROUND A STRANGE CITY ALL DAY AND COME BACK TO AN IMPERSONAL HOTEL ROOM, IT'S HARD TO GET IT ON. HERE'S A TIP: PACK SOMETHING SOFT TO SPURT INTO. LEAVE IT IN THE ROOM AFTER YOU CHECK OUT. |
| 12:50 |
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sri |
could it be that the best indicator for code in perldoc is a ";" at the end of a line? |
| 12:50 |
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* sri |
tries to make highlighting slightly smarter |
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berov |
sri: thanks about hints on TP |
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al |
is there a way to route things to controller#function_$method, i.e. GET /smthng to controller#smthng_get, POST to ...#smthng_post etc? |
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marty |
al: yes. To route base on HTTP method... http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Mo[…]ting#HTTP_methods |
| 15:43 |
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marty |
You can also use the special stash variables if that helps. http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Mo[…]ler_and_action_29 |
| 15:43 |
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marty |
And of course you can route to a namespace if needed. http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Mo[…]s_28_namespace_29 |
| 15:48 |
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al |
marty, thanks |
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al |
i guess shortcuts are what i want |
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al |
hmm, or not |
| 16:23 |
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al |
i thought i could do something like https://gist.github.com/1589843 |
| 16:25 |
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al |
(line #11) |
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GitHub55 |
[mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/R7bZ4Q |
| 16:25 |
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GitHub55 |
[mojo/master] improved Mojo::Base tests - Sebastian Riedel |
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sri |
wonder if i should open a github issue for performance optimization |
| 17:18 |
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sri |
it's a little unspecific |
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sri |
on the other hand it's something pretty much everybody can do |
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tempire |
sri: that's gotta be the first time I've ever seen you apologize for cursing or getting short with a person |
| 18:08 |
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* tempire |
doesn't kick anyone because the situation resolved itself piecefully |
| 18:09 |
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tempire |
instability implies unexpected and untenable change |
| 18:10 |
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tempire |
it's more that people have an expectation without reading the rules, because of the standard set by frameworks that have backward compatibility as a priority above innovation |
| 18:10 |
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tempire |
which is fine, but the expectation doesn't apply to mojolicious, any more than an expectation of intensive mathematical processing applies to erlang running on a 486SX |
| 18:11 |
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sri |
tempire: actually, it's just people not letting go of the pre 1.0 mindset |
| 18:11 |
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tempire |
that too |
| 18:12 |
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sri |
"oh you have deprecation policies now?" |
| 18:12 |
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sri |
"only for a year now" |
| 18:14 |
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* tempire |
apologizes to sugar for the language on behalf of the channel |
| 18:14 |
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* tempire |
sprinkles glitter on…sugar? |
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marcus |
this site makes me sick! http://comicsansproject.tumblr.com/ |
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* sri |
vomits glitter |
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inokenty1 |
Funny letter 'e' in Internet Explorer 9 picture |
| 18:52 |
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inokenty1 |
Seems like it's laughing on someone |
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* marcus |
tries 'Person of interest' |
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sri |
marcus: it's awesome |
| 19:15 |
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sri |
dark knight vibe |
| 19:16 |
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sri |
actually, it's so good i'm surprised it hasn't been canceled |
| 19:17 |
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marcus |
:) |
| 19:23 |
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netfeed |
sounds cool |
| 19:23 |
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netfeed |
started franklin and bash today, lawyers are always good fun :) |
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marcus |
I kinda liked suits, but haven't seen more than 4-5 episodes yet. |
| 19:39 |
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marcus |
(apropos lawyers) |
| 19:40 |
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marcus |
so far I agree with sri on Person of interest. guess I'll download the rest of it. |
| 19:40 |
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sri |
like you have a choice |
| 19:41 |
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sri |
it actually gets better with each episode |
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sri |
creator of the show sure is a Nolan |
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netfeed |
suits sounds like white collar but with lawyers instead of fbi |
| 19:47 |
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sri |
it's much more boring |
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netfeed |
:/ |
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sri |
i kinda liked suits, but the story is very weak |
| 19:49 |
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sri |
no comparison to white collar |
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netfeed |
matt bomer has a nice presence in white collar |
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ashleydev |
do many people use less with mojolicious? |
| 23:03 |
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ashleydev |
the css preprocessor? |
| 23:04 |
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ashleydev |
is there a plugin for it? |
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Akron |
ashleydev: I think there's a SASS plugin, but no less plugin yet. |
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ashleydev |
hmm |
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ashleydev |
ok |
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ashleydev |
sass is :P imho |
| 23:22 |
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Akron |
I know it's a noobie question, but how can I establish a route matching /(*path) where path can also be empty? |
| 23:23 |
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ashleydev |
what is the format of the daemon --listen arg? it says it default is 'http://*:3000", yet it barfs if I tell it 'http://10.1.2.3:3000' |
| 23:30 |
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* ashleydev |
pokes sri |
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ashleydev |
n/m |
| 23:32 |
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ashleydev |
i was running: perl mojocode.pl help daemon --listen 'http://10.1.2.3:3000' |
| 23:33 |
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* ashleydev |
embarresed... |
| 23:35 |
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Akron |
ashleydev: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/out.[…]o;date=2011-12-01 |
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Akron |
And there look for '*:3000' |
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yeah -- my issue was s/help// |
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ashleydev |
i'm off to build my first webpage in who knows how long -- I think the last one was in node.js |
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so i'm trying out mojo + bootstrap.js |
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ashleydev |
looks fun |
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Akron |
It definitely is! |
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* ashleydev |
looks at the code in: https://github.com/ivanvpenche[…]jolicious-db-tool |
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Hi there, what modules you guys suggest to handle MySQL cruds with Mojolicious::Lite? |
