Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #mojo, 2012-01-15

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04:06 * crab returns home once again.
04:28 * tempire welcomes
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09:55 inokenty Who knows how to change templates path depending on route? For example: '/:controller/:action' would take templates from '/templates' dir, and '/admin/:controller/:action' - from '/templates/admin'
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10:37 memowe inokenty: still here?
10:37 inokenty Yep
10:37 memowe https://gist.github.com/1615383
10:38 memowe Is it a problem to set it explicitely?
10:41 inokenty Not a problem, but too much to write )
10:42 inokenty $self->render(template => 'admin/controller/index', data => $data)
10:42 inokenty Instead of just $self->render(data => $data)
10:52 inokenty memowe: thanks anyway
10:52 memowe inokenty: wait a minute. :)
11:03 memowe inokenty: it "just works". https://gist.github.com/1615383
11:04 memowe (it's a full Mojolicious app)
11:05 memowe Hm. Need to clean it up a bit...
11:08 memowe OK. https://gist.github.com/1615383
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11:24 inokenty memowe: nice, thanks. That's what I'm looking for
11:25 memowe No problem!
11:32 cstamas memowe: that looks nice
11:33 cstamas sooner or later I should switch from ::Lite
11:46 marcus Mop
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12:46 inokenty memowe: I have a trouble. How to use your method with placeholders? $r->route('/admin/controller/actio​n')->to('admin-controller#action') works fine, but $r->route('/admin/:controller/:acti​on')->to('admin-controller#action') - I don't have a clue how to pass :controller and :action into ->to(...) method
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14:18 sri https://github.com/perl-doc-cats/perlfaq/pull/24 # the old descriptions for each framework are pretty bad
14:19 sri feel free to tweak it or comment
14:22 sri https://github.com/perl-doc-cats/perlfaq/​blob/master/lib/perlfaq9.pod#Mojolicious
14:22 sri really bad
14:23 sri i told ranguard to just go with slogans and a link, but he insists on descriptions
14:30 marcus humm
14:31 marcus don't understand the XS reference.
14:31 marcus which XS module is hard to use with Mojolicious?
14:31 sri yea, just told him that via query :)
14:32 sri don't get it either
14:32 sri my guess is that he heard it somewhere
14:33 sri he doesn't really know anything about mojolicious, seen him compare it to socket.io ;p
14:35 marcus I thought that was acme.
14:36 marcus 12:06:28 @acme ~ ah, like Socket IO
14:36 sri oh
14:36 * sri is getting old
14:37 marcus https://github.com/vti/pocketio
14:38 sri wonder when apple will finally upgrade safari to rfc 6455
14:39 sri still nothing in webkit nightly
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15:20 sri oh shit
15:20 sri the person responsible is mithaldu
15:21 sri that won't be fun at all
15:22 sri https://github.com/perl-doc-cats/perlfaq/commit​/b2a84f94591989afe3762db753595f563784a5a2#L0R43
15:23 sri wtf?
15:24 sri https://github.com/perl-doc-cats/perlfaq/pull/24
15:32 crab who is mithaldu and what is he responsible for
15:32 sri a german that has been stalking and flaming me
15:33 sri not so much recently, but i doubt his intentions are good
15:36 crab "don't have the desire or ability to use CPAN dependencies"
15:36 crab how can people write such nonsense?
15:37 sri http://blogs.perl.org/users/joel_b​erger/2012/01/perl-is-more-viable-​for-web-development-than-ever.html
15:37 sri see first comment
15:38 sri he is as anti mojolicious as it gets
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16:03 marcus I can understand bigpresh's opinion as well.
16:05 sri the whole one sentence description thing makes no sense
16:10 marcus sri: let's focus on the ball, not the players. =)
16:11 marcus as long as we get a description we're happy with, I don't care about mithaldu.
16:11 sri marcus: then join the game :)
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16:17 ZadYree All glory to Hypno Toad && Greetings
16:22 marcus sri: ok, I did
16:22 marcus ZadYree: hi :)
16:22 ZadYree :)
16:23 * sri waves
16:24 sri and a h…ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!
16:24 * ZadYree spokes at sri
16:24 ZadYree :)
16:25 * marcus plays the fishing game with $daughter.
16:33 * sri throws marcus back into the ocean
16:35 marcus Catalyst is best suited for Enterprise web applications
16:35 marcus ;)
16:51 sri /o\
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17:04 * sri goes to get greek food, yay!
17:05 * tempire distrusts goat cheese
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17:07 marcus goats are sneaky fuckers.
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17:29 * sri rolls back into the channel
17:30 sri too… much… food
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17:43 ZadYree && not enough spaceships :'(
17:54 marcus intergalactic planetary?
17:58 tempire intensedebate.com implies they're the best comment system, but has no demo. #fail
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18:55 marcus sigh
18:55 marcus tried reparing my noisy mbp fan, and now it's dead
18:55 marcus wonder how long my system can run without the left fan.
19:15 sri wait, why do you need fans in norway?
19:16 * sri wonders at which point norway jokes will become less funny
19:16 marcus sri: when we nuke you!
19:16 marcus e.g. never
19:16 sri \o/
19:18 * marcus lulls sri into a false sense of security while the heavy water is being produced.
19:18 sri but seriously, you should turn off the heating in your bureau until the new 15" mbps arrive, just to be sure
19:19 sri mmmmmmmmmm… heavy water
19:20 sri sounds like a hipster energy drink
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19:22 marcus sri: we have a backup 11" mba if this computer goes to greener pastures.
19:22 marcus hmm, maybe I can harvest a fan from arne's zombie mbp 17"
19:22 sri frankenmacbook
19:23 tempire opening MacBooks is always a good idea.  Go for it!
19:24 marcus tempire: I already opened it, that's how the fan died
19:24 marcus before it was just noisy.
19:25 marcus I tried to pull it apart to oil it, seems that was not a good idea.
19:25 sri hope mine dies soon… before applecare runs out -.-
19:25 marcus so like, who's the other perl-faq people?
19:26 marcus did mithaldu just giving up mean we're sol?
19:26 * sri only knows of Ranguard
19:27 sri and he didn't even remove the cpan part like he promised
19:27 marcus http://nordaaker.com/docs/skitch/perl-doc-c​ats_s_Profile_-_GitHub-20120115-202711.jpg
19:27 * sri wonders when the 5.16 deadline is
19:27 marcus april
19:28 sri oh look, it's rafl
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19:42 marcus wow, there sure are a lot of metacpan logos
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19:48 marcus I kinda like Raul Matei's stylized books, as well as sri's.
19:49 alnewkirk Mojolicious book out yet?
19:51 marcus alnewkirk: huh?
19:51 sri who's writing one?
19:51 purl i guess writing one is trivial
19:51 marcus guess purl is writing one.
19:51 * sri pats purl
19:51 * purl stabs
19:52 * sri stabs purl back
19:52 alnewkirk sri: you!
19:52 sri nope, i'm not
19:52 alnewkirk i'll check back in a few months
19:53 sri if i had the money i would like to write one though
19:55 * marcus hopes sri will win the lottery.
19:55 * sri hopes that too :)
19:57 * tempire would contribute to a book
19:58 tempire There need to be more developer evangelists for Perl companies
19:58 sri yea
19:58 tempire I publicly declare my desire to work for a company as a developer evangelist.
19:59 sri 10gen is hiring one
19:59 sri in new york
19:59 tempire Hrm.  Ruby.
20:00 sri tempire: http://www.10gen.com/careers/pos​itions/perl-engineer-evangelist
20:01 marcus tempire: take that job and finish sri's mongodb driver!
20:01 marcus :)
20:01 alnewkirk tempire: i know a few
20:01 alnewkirk ... also, I wouldn't mind working (contractually) for 10gen
20:02 sri oh, new york *or* bay area
20:02 tempire alnewkirk: you know Perl developer evangelists?
20:02 alnewkirk tempire: yes (besides me)
20:03 alnewkirk NY ofcourse
20:03 tempire That's true enough, I suppose.  You've made your company quite prominently known in your posts
20:03 tempire I'm thinking in terms of pimping a product, much like Sean Cribbs for Basho
20:04 alnewkirk im in SM, Cali currently working with Rent.com (a Perl company)
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20:04 tempire I saw a posting for that a while back; rent.com is a horrible product, though
20:05 alnewkirk lol, why
20:05 purl well, lol, why is ruby so popular?
20:06 tempire It doesn't hold a candle to craigslist in terms of accessibility and ease of use when looking for an apartment.
20:06 tempire The postings are mostly corporate apartment complexes with very little usable information.
20:06 alnewkirk I beg-to-differ
20:06 tempire I don't know that it's rents fault, it's a hard problem
20:07 alnewkirk its a quite remarkable product with real business intelligence
20:07 alnewkirk also, from the renters perspective its quite simple to use and pretty informative
20:08 tempire I've tried to use it several times to find apartments over the years, and craigslist was always more helpful.
20:08 alnewkirk vs. craigslist, you can usually find out alot more information about the property and unit
20:08 alnewkirk floor plan, apt type variations, etc
20:10 alnewkirk tempire: has you heard of airbnb.com?
20:10 alnewkirk their awesome (just found out about em)
20:10 tempire nice looking site
20:11 sri that's where you can find apartments to trash right?
20:11 marcus yeah
20:12 marcus bit of a pr disaster, but they recovered well.
20:12 alnewkirk whah wah yall talkin bout?
20:12 marcus alnewkirk: http://newsflavor.com/alternative/womans-​apartment-trashed-after-airbnb-nightmare/
20:13 alnewkirk ohhhh, sounds interesting, brb
20:13 sri letting random strangers live in your house for a few days, WHAT COULD GO WRONG?!
20:14 tempire It's not so bad.  I couch surfed for 3 years, but it probably changes when the owner isn't there.
20:16 alnewkirk oh wow, ... still reading
20:17 alnewkirk im staying in a 1bdrm by the beach in a place i found on airbnb right now :)
20:19 alnewkirk "They did weird stuff too: moving things around in a spooky, psychotic kind of way
20:19 alnewkirk lol
20:23 tempire NY or SF?
20:24 alnewkirk Santa Monica
20:24 purl rumour has it Santa Monica is expensive
20:24 alnewkirk purl: ya think
20:24 purl alnewkirk: sorry...
20:27 marcus the bad part was about airbnb not answering their emergency number, imo
20:30 alnewkirk marcus: yeah, me too, that sucks -- they probably thought if they closed thier eyes really tight, it would just go away
20:31 marcus alnewkirk: worth including - http://vator.tv/news/2011-08-02-airbnb-a​pologizes-implements-new-safety-measures
20:31 sri awwwwwwww
20:31 sri i forgive them
20:31 marcus that looks like my daughter when I tell her she can't have more ice cream.
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20:46 alnewkirk lol
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20:54 alnewkirk this is probalby not the right place to say but ... why are still a society that lets a few bad apples spoil the bunch
20:55 alnewkirk one asshole tries to hide a bomb in his shoe and henceforth all travelers must remove their shoes at the airport :/
21:29 marcus alnewkirk: I blame you guys.
21:30 marcus apparently the israeli are able to handle airport security while keeping your shoes on.
21:30 alnewkirk marcus: agreed ...
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22:37 augensalat dumb question: Why is Mojo::Command a sub rather than an attribute?
22:38 sri looks like a class to me
22:39 augensalat sorry, Mojo::Command::app
22:39 sri actually
22:39 sri i have no idea
22:40 augensalat Problem is, that every call to $self->app in command seems to re-run MyApp::setup().
22:40 sri yea, i'd consider it a bug
22:40 augensalat Ah.
22:45 augensalat My current workaround is has app => sub { $_[0]->SUPER::app }; in my command.pm
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22:46 GitHub162 [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/O8yH8A
22:46 GitHub162 [mojo/master] fixed Mojo::Command->app to be an attribute and not a method - Sebastian Riedel
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22:48 sri i remember the choice to make it a method was entirely arbitrary
22:48 sri attribute makes a lot more sense
22:50 sri augensalat: you're working on a command?
22:50 sri we need more of those on cpan
22:50 augensalat quite a few, but for a special application
22:50 augensalat database setup etc
22:51 sri ah
22:51 augensalat what kind of commands are needed?
22:52 sri i don't know :)
22:52 augensalat ic
22:52 augensalat ;)

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