Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #mojo, 2012-01-21

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00:16 auggy LOL I was distracted by the last line, apparantly its trying to use the wrong Perl... lol
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05:14 cxreg sri: it doesn't reinvent it, it actually complements perlbrew pretty well
05:33 auggy ok i found the issue, i was trying to use local::lib with cpanm and I didn't need to
05:34 auggy when i set up cpanm i didn't do it right so it was using the wrong perl, so yay got Mojolicious installed :D
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06:00 cxreg sri: see https://twitter.com/#!/gugo​d/status/157288938166423552
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11:24 sri hmm, looks like request_timeout won't survive
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13:51 GitHub189 [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/Y-1hzQ
13:51 GitHub189 [mojo/master] better timeout descriptions - Sebastian Riedel
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13:53 sri maybe that's better
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14:02 crab sri: why looks like it won't survive?
14:03 crab complications, or just no feedback?
14:13 sri no feedback
14:17 sri i'm not sure how useful it is in its current form, so it depends entirely on feedback from the people who requested it
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14:27 sri i actually expected it to be more popular, considering how rare reliable timeouts are among http client libraries
14:28 marcus sri: you added it on like friday afternoon :)
14:29 sri excuses excuses
14:29 marcus I heard normal people take a break during weekends.
14:29 * marcus is so fucking bored
14:29 marcus audio books are too slow
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15:12 bobkare marcus: you need a proper player then, they can adjust the speed
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15:25 sri hmm, guess the confusion about request_timeout on the list is another point against it
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16:12 sri and now we have a strong argument against it
16:12 sri it's toast
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16:32 GitHub26 [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/nDr6bg
16:32 GitHub26 [mojo/master] removed request_timeout attribute from Mojo::UserAgent again - Sebastian Riedel
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17:08 * crab scratches his head
17:12 crab i'm not such a fan of this "you have five minutes to give me a good reason to not shoot you in the head" strategy.
17:14 crab but then again if a really compelling use-case appears, the code will still be there.
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17:19 sri crab: i've waited a day
17:19 sri all i wanted was one good reason to keep it :)
17:20 sri and the point about expecting it to offer much more protection that it does is quite valid
17:20 sri s/t/n/
17:21 crab i don't think that was his point at all
17:21 crab (but i could be wrong)
17:22 sri he obviously connected it with LWPx::ParanoidAgent
17:25 sri i'll clarify on the list
17:26 sri how people can still make it happen if they care
17:28 sri crab: i'm open for suggestions how to handle questinable features better in the future
17:28 marcus sri: I think you are too impatient. would be better to test such things by keeping them as experimental for a couple of releases and then removing them, if you find they are not useful.
17:28 marcus that's been the way in the past as well, no?
17:28 sri only for features i thought could be useful
17:29 sri i've removed a lot based on negative feedback right away again
17:30 sri if you think this is bad i'll try to avoid playing with features i'm not convinced of
17:32 sri but to be fair, all of the core devs have seen it and not spoken up in favor of it either
17:33 marcus sri: I'm in favor of it, I would have found it useful when writing abcsok.no for instance.
17:34 sri :S
17:36 marcus in fact I thought I spoke up in favor of it being useful when we discussed redirects, but maybe I could have been more clear. otoh, I'm a bit blurry atm :)
17:37 * sri pokes crab and tempire
17:40 sri marcus: any signs of x-ray vision yet?
17:42 marcus sri: well, led lights are giving interesting patterns atm, not sure if that counts.
17:43 marcus for instance the red led on the hotel tv looks like a spiderweb
17:43 sri hmm, maybe you just got riddick eyes :)
17:44 marcus better start on my weapons training then.
17:46 crab i was reading scrollback
17:46 crab i think i need to learn to be more positive in responding to stuff like this.
17:47 crab i didn't say "yes, i think this is useful", but that was the underlying reason for my reading the patch and discussing the wording etc. so i'll try to be more clear in future.
17:51 Netfeed sri: seen leverage? kinda like white collar but no fbi
17:51 sri Netfeed: yea, love the humour
17:52 Netfeed reminds me of hustle
17:52 sri but better characters
17:52 Netfeed yeah
17:53 sri crab: appreciated
17:56 sri crab: yay or nay from you?
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18:08 crab sri: yes to introduce as experimental and see how it goes.
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18:13 elb0w tempire: have you been using that site I gave you access to for mojocasts in the US?
18:13 elb0w someone broke into dream hosts db so I have to change passwords
18:13 elb0w pm me when you are around and ill give you new pw
18:14 elb0w I pmed you it
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18:21 GitHub199 [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/MUET4Q
18:21 GitHub199 [mojo/master] brought back request_timeout attribute by popular demand - Sebastian Riedel
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18:38 sri if anyone wants to investigate the possibility of an overall timeout i'd be very interested in the results
18:54 marcus wonder if there's anything we can do to make the whole libev situation suck less. It depresses me.
18:55 marcus I guess Lehman isn't interested in getting it fixed - http://lists.schmorp.de/piper​mail/libev/2011q3/001487.html
18:56 sri marcus: yea
18:57 sri i think it's the most commonly reported problem now
19:02 marcus http://lists.schmorp.de/piper​mail/libev/2011q4/001624.html guess it won't be fixed.
19:04 marcus seems they didn't even bother to reply to the last patch in that thread. adding support for clang would likely fix it I guess, but that is a bit outside of my competence field.
19:16 sri maybe there's a way to detect broken EV installations
19:17 sri https://github.com/kraih/mojo/blob​/master/lib/Mojo/IOWatcher.pm#L30
19:18 sri Mojo::IOWatcher::EV should just die if EV is broken
19:18 sri then you'd get the fallback
19:20 sri the whole thing is really stupid though, libev has lots of workarounds for platform specific quirks… but he singles out os x
19:22 sri if we replaced Mojo::IOWatchr::EV with Mojo::IOWatcher::AnyEvent we wouldn't be any better off though
19:23 sri he'd prolly just work against us and lock us out like IO::Async
19:24 sri but this illustrates very well why didn't want to go with a single event loop ;)
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19:49 marcus yupp
19:51 tempire yay on request_timeout
19:57 tempire so
19:57 tempire were I to submit a talk for yapc
19:57 tempire what should it be about?
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20:13 sri tempire: i assumed you'd join the yays :)
20:14 tempire \o/
20:17 tempire it would be great if someone else would volunteer for an intro to mojolicious talk
20:17 tempire and then I could build on it with something regarding events
20:24 elb0w Mojo doesn't use Moose or Class::Accessor right? What did you do write it all from scratch?
20:24 tempire correct
20:24 elb0w Is there a Mojo::Accesor?
20:24 tempire see Mojo::Base
20:24 elb0w ok
20:24 elb0w thanks
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