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concatenative programming FTW! |
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alnewkirk |
i having a time programmatically running Hypnotoad |
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alnewkirk |
... it seems to only want a file, .. app file, config file, etc |
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alnewkirk |
I think most of the servers are setup this way |
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tempire |
are you saying you're having a hard time? |
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tempire |
or just a time? |
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alnewkirk |
a hard time |
| 07:33 |
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marcus |
alnewkirk: Can you please explain further? |
| 07:34 |
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tempire |
If you're having an issue setting the hypnotoad parameters, you might want the config plugin: http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Mo[…]ookbook#Hypnotoad |
| 07:34 |
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tempire |
assuming you *don't* want to use a config file |
| 07:39 |
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alnewkirk |
marcus: tempire: hey gus |
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alnewkirk |
guys*, I stepped away for a moment |
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| 07:40 |
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alnewkirk |
... so I'm creating this mega-cli to control various sub-systems of a larger application, .. the web interface being just one sub-system |
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marcus |
alnewkirk: sorry, got distracted. |
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marcus |
alnewkirk: yes? |
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purl |
yes is the answer to the latest question |
| 07:41 |
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alnewkirk |
think App::Cmd where one of my commands launches Hypnotoad |
| 07:42 |
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alnewkirk |
now because my app (we'll call it mega-app) already has a config file and an executable, it really doesn't make sense to require a seperate exe and config just for one subset of the app |
| 07:43 |
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marcus |
alnewkirk: so you probably want to use Mojo::Server::Hypnotoad directly. |
| 07:43 |
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alnewkirk |
I am |
| 07:43 |
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alnewkirk |
thankfully most stuff can be set via %ENV |
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marcus |
alnewkirk: config is just a hash for hypnotoad settings? |
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marcus |
->run takes $app and $config |
| 07:45 |
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alnewkirk |
yes I know, and $config must be a file |
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alnewkirk |
as does app actually |
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alnewkirk |
which is my point |
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alnewkirk |
see Hypnotoad line 129 as a ref |
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marcus |
heh, hypntoad.conf is actually deprecated |
| 07:53 |
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marcus |
alnewkirk: I see $app needs to be a script because of the way the restarter works. |
| 07:54 |
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marcus |
alnewkirk: it does an exec on the script to restart it |
| 07:56 |
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alnewkirk |
I noticed that also so I wasn't as appalled :) |
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marcus |
alnewkirk: so note that you can just ignore config, and use $app->config->{hypnotoad} |
| 07:58 |
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alnewkirk |
the sane alternative would be to generate a temp script and execute that base on the namespace in $app |
| 07:58 |
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alnewkirk |
... just a suggestion |
| 07:59 |
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alnewkirk |
marcus: I don't think that'll work due to line 144 |
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alnewkirk |
$self->{config} = $c; |
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alnewkirk |
^ run() executes this |
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marcus |
alnewkirk: you could generate a temp script, look at hypnotoad.t |
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marcus |
it does this |
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marcus |
alnewkirk: I don't think you are looking at a recent release |
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marcus |
line 144 of Hypnotoad.pm in master is blank |
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alnewkirk |
marcus: noted, I have done my workaround but I think consideration for this should taken towards making it part of the codebase |
| 08:01 |
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marcus |
alnewkirk: yours seems to be a very special case. |
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alnewkirk |
can you paste the link |
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marcus |
alnewkirk: https://github.com/kraih/mojo/[…]Hypnotoad.pm#L144 |
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marcus |
alnewkirk: not sure why you couldn't just keep an app script for your app even tho it's part of a larger system. |
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alnewkirk |
special-case, maybe, ... although arguably a programmatic API should exist |
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alnewkirk |
master, line 146, $self->{config} = $c; |
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marcus |
alnewkirk: and $c is $app->config->{hypnotoad} || {} |
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alnewkirk |
... means your $app->config->{hypnotoad} gets overridden |
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alnewkirk |
lol |
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marcus |
alnewkirk: only if you provide a hypnotoad.conf, which is deprecated/ |
| 08:04 |
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alnewkirk |
it seems we're back at the beginning ... |
| 08:04 |
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alnewkirk |
why am I locked into the mojo config file, why can't I just supply $config a hash |
| 08:05 |
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alnewkirk |
same question with regards to the script |
| 08:05 |
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marcus |
alnewkirk: you can supply a hash to your mojo app config? |
| 08:05 |
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marcus |
alnewkirk: mojo doesn't have a config file, you configure $app->config any way you like |
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marcus |
for instance by using a configloader, or your bigger app's config. |
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alnewkirk |
? |
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marcus |
for instance one of my client's apps has a MyApp::Config class which reads their config files and configures $app->config |
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marcus |
alnewkirk: sub startup { my $self=shift; $self->config=MyApp::Config->load_config; } |
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alnewkirk |
marcus: $app->config doesn't exist (i dont think) |
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marcus |
alnewkirk: yes it does |
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marcus |
my $c = $app->config('hypnotoad') || {}; |
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marcus |
how would that work if $app didn't have config? |
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alnewkirk |
so $app = Mojo::Server::Hypnotoad->new; $app->config is what you mean? |
| 08:08 |
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marcus |
alnewkirk: no. $app is your app |
| 08:09 |
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marcus |
alnewkirk: https://github.com/kraih/mojo/[…]/Hypnotoad.pm#L72 |
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alnewkirk |
okay, right, but at this point my app isn't loaded |
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marcus |
alnewkirk: yes it is, see the line above |
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marcus |
I have to go to work now, hope this helps a bit. |
| 08:09 |
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marcus |
ttyl :) |
| 08:10 |
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alnewkirk |
no it doesn't, ... okay cya |
| 08:11 |
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marcus |
alnewkirk: load_app loads your app, promise. upgrade to latest cpan version and test it |
| 08:12 |
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alnewkirk |
marcus: yes, but this all happens automatically, theres nowhere for you to hook into it before the server is run |
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alnewkirk |
run calls config and load_app automatically, then execute the server |
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alnewkirk |
when do i get to mod the config? after it already running? |
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alnewkirk |
... fyi, I really posted all this not so much as to get help but so that if anyone working on the codebase wants to update or fix it, they'll know |
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sri |
there is nothing to fix, restarting is an extremely hrd problem to solve, it doesn't work with a more verbose api |
| 08:28 |
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sri |
hypnotoad env vars are undocumented, and therefore considered an implementation detail, you can't depend on it |
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sri |
the simple truth is that the only way to pass information along between restarts is %ENV (besides a few file descriptors) |
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alnewkirk |
sri: I'm all for freezing/thawing small bits |
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sri |
? |
| 08:35 |
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alnewkirk |
... but I was talking more about the fact that currently you can't supply a hash to run() |
| 08:35 |
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alnewkirk |
it wants a mojo confi file, I think it should consider both |
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sri |
config file is dead, as marcus said |
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alnewkirk |
then I not sure how to config hypnotoad, if I call run($app) I get an error, ... what if I don't have a config file? |
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sri |
just don't consider hypnotoad a perl api, handle it just like you would Nginx |
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alnewkirk |
this is my current mutation https://gist.github.com/1834477 |
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alnewkirk |
okay |
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sri |
that's going to break |
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sri |
liek i said, env vars are internal |
| 08:40 |
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alnewkirk |
dang it |
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alnewkirk |
okay |
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judofyr |
MOJO MOJO |
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purl |
MOJO MOJO is goliath |
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* alnewkirk |
is off to bed |
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judofyr |
(as in Mojo * 2, not MojoMojo) |
| 08:47 |
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judofyr |
btw, Ruby has the best (read: the worst) trolls ever: http://www.ruby-forum.com/topic/1970910 |
| 08:48 |
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judofyr |
although, he was in comp.lang.lisp before… http://www.tfeb.org/lisp/mad-people.html |
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marcus |
judofyr: dunno, old school perlers are pretty bad ass too |
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marcus |
judofyr: try reading the comment thread on the 'why I left Perl' thread. |
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melmothX |
hello all. Is it safe/reccomended to run the app as a different user than the one that owns the code? |
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melmothX |
i don't recall anything about this topic on the doc |
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GitHub35 |
[mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/agQhHg |
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GitHub35 |
[mojo/master] cleaned up scripts a bit - Sebastian Riedel |
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marcus |
melmothX: it should be safe as long as the user can read the files. It might also be a good idea, but slightly paranoid. |
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melmothX |
marcus: thanks. I am paranoid. |
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marcus |
http://stackoverflow.com/quest[…]e/6503964#6503964 # didn't know that. |
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sri |
marcus: https://github.com/kraih/mojo/[…]t/mojo/url.t#L619 |
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sri |
:) |
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marcus |
sri: neat. |
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Quai_ |
slashdot.org has been using that since forever |
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judofyr |
sri: have you seen Celluoid btw? https://github.com/tarcieri/celluloid-io |
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judofyr |
someone is re-implementing Erlang on top of Ruby |
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judofyr |
there's even an distributed version built on top of ZeroMQ: https://github.com/tarcieri/dcell |
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sri |
judofyr: nope, but i like the actor pattern a lot |
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sri |
although, a ruby with GIL seems to make that a little underwhelming |
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judofyr |
it works on JRuby and Rubinius too |
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sri |
how much marketshare have those two these days? |
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judofyr |
Rubinius: not much |
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purl |
same here, dude |
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judofyr |
JRuby: way more |
| 11:28 |
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sri |
i don't quite get why pypy and rubinius don't become the main implementations |
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judofyr |
rbx isn't quite compatible with 1.9 though |
| 11:45 |
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judofyr |
as for JRuby, they're having big problems showing people that "Java may suck, but the JVM rocks" |
| 11:46 |
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sri |
well, that's never gonna work out for jruby |
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sri |
trusting in oracle to do the right thing? ;p |
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judofyr |
there's always OpenJDK |
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sri |
but openjdk sucks i keep hearing |
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sri |
http://hg.openjdk.java.net/hsx[…]/rev/763f01599ff4 |
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sri |
reminds me of this commit :) |
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judofyr |
heh, this just popped up on Twitter: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archi[…]nuary/001554.html |
| 11:50 |
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judofyr |
"we no longer have permission to redistribute newJava packages as Oracle has retired the “Operating System DistributorLicense for Java” |
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sri |
yea, oracle makes people use their own installer now |
| 11:50 |
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sri |
(their own = oracles) |
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judofyr |
sri: not sure about current status of OpenJDK; I asked @headius on Twitter right now… |
| 11:53 |
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judofyr |
"It can't run Minecraft or BrowserStack is all I know :P" — @jcoglan |
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sri |
DEALBREAKER! |
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judofyr |
sri: it would be interesting to try to implement something like Mojo on top of Cellouid |
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sri |
i think Lift was pretty big on actors |
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marcus |
oracle soo evil :-/ |
| 12:03 |
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marcus |
did IBM retire their JVM? |
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marcus |
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/java/jdk/ |
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sri |
pretty sure they have |
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marcus |
found a bugfix from 2009 for running jruby under the IBM JVM |
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marcus |
judofyr: mojo on top of cullouid seems like a great idea. |
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marcus |
hmm, sublime text 2 fixed their icon. Considering buying it now. |
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sri |
oh my |
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sri |
from the iconfactory, not bad |
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judofyr |
link? |
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purl |
i heard link was awesome. |
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marcus |
judofyr: I just tweeted a screenshot link |
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sri |
i've seen better ones from the iconfactory though |
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judofyr |
nice |
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sri |
https://img.skitch.com/2012021[…]wbqwmwrbtuxct.png # hahahaha |
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marcus |
:D |
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marcus |
it's NOT comic sans. |
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vervain |
I'm sensing some hostility towards the Sublime project? ;-) |
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sri |
multi column view is pretty gret |
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sri |
great |
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sri |
editor without momentum scrolling feels weird :o |
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sri |
the fact that the unregistered version has no deadline is very very sympathetic |
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judofyr |
sri: any limitations at all? |
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sri |
don't think so |
| 13:21 |
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judofyr |
nice |
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sri |
just a big UNREGISTERED in next to the fullscreen arrows |
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judofyr |
YOU ARE A PIRATE |
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purl |
somebody said YOU ARE A PIRATE was http://img.sheezyart.com/art/swf/82/821125.swf |
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sri |
i would buy it in a heartbeat if bundle editing was easier |
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judofyr |
sri: what editor do you use now? |
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sri |
textmate still |
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Netfeed |
there's an annoying popup once in a while too in sublime |
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Netfeed |
based on number of saves or something |
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judofyr |
not a vim guy? :( |
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Netfeed |
vim is nice, but it doesn't work that well in osx imho |
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marcus |
agree |
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sri |
sublime also has vi keybinds btw |
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judofyr |
how "doesn't work well"? vim is vim… |
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sri |
first thing you should install is package control |
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marcus |
I didn't like the project search in sublime |
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marcus |
feels hackish |
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sri |
i actually like project search :) |
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Netfeed |
judofyr: well, you kinda have to use gvim, and imho i think that vim works best in some linux term instead, i don't like gvim |
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vervain |
judofyr: A friend's vim on OSX keeps crashing... which I've never heard of in any other *nix. <shrug> |
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sri |
working with two columns, one for search results other for editing |
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judofyr |
Netfeed: just use Vim in Terminal.app then? |
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Netfeed |
no, i rather not, the keybindings feels wrong there |
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Netfeed |
using vim daily at work in linux though |
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vervain |
Netfeed: Keybindings are keybindings... they are what they are... if they 'feel' different then you are using different rc files... and you could fix that. |
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Netfeed |
yeah i know, but i'm using the stock version now in linux and it works great, but the stock version in osx seems to work in a different way |
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Netfeed |
moving with ctrl+arrows for example |
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vervain |
Surely moving with hjkl works as it's supposed to... as soon as you go to things like arrow keys you expect your OS to be throwing you a curve ball. |
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vervain |
But I hear what you are saying... back when I was on Linux, Solaris, Irix in equal measures I felt what you're feeling. |
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Netfeed |
yeah, hjkl works, but i'm so used to use ctrl+arrows that it's hard to change it to hjkl |
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vervain |
Do it... do it now... hate arrows as much if not more than your mouse... it's the path to enlightenment. :-) |
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vervain |
Make me move from my home keys will you... aargghh :-) |
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Netfeed |
heh, you sound like a dvorak user, "everything is typed with the home row" |
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sri |
reminds me to check out chocolatapp again |
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Netfeed |
i kinda like the looks of chocolateapp more then sublime, seems so clean |
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sri |
it's gorgeous |
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sri |
but syntax highlighting doesn't work :S |
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sri |
(still) |
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sri |
symbol list bar on the right is genius |
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sri |
much less usuable than the TM2 alpha |
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Netfeed |
there's an alpha? |
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Netfeed |
well, he has had a while on his hands to make tm2 so it kinda has to be pretty good oob |
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judofyr |
unusable or usable? |
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sri |
unusable |
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sri |
wait |
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sri |
chocolatapp *is* unusable |
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sri |
:) |
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judofyr |
more or less than the TM2 alpha? |
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* judofyr |
is still confused |
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Netfeed |
this makes my head hurt |
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sri |
TM2 is more usable |
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sri |
much |
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sri |
maybe it's better for ruby |
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sri |
i've only tested perl… that didn't work at all |
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judofyr |
| uselessness ---- Chocolat ------------------ TM 2 ------- usefulness | |
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judofyr |
I think I got it now |
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sri |
chocolat > tm2 > sublime2 > macvim > tm1 |
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judofyr |
wait, what |
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purl |
yeah, seriously |
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judofyr |
didn't you just say that tm2 > chocolat? |
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sri |
tm1 > macvim > sublime2 > tm2 > chocolat |
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judofyr |
oh |
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judofyr |
that makes more sense |
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sri |
first is how pretty they are, second how usable |
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sri |
;p |
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sri |
kinda sad how that correlates :( |
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Netfeed |
sublime2 is neither pretty or usuable? |
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Netfeed |
useable |
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sri |
it's the most balanced |
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Netfeed |
kinda black |
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tempire |
"hjkl" keybindings are not enough. that's like trying to satiate a wild animal by giving it tofurkey |
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tempire |
"it looks like meat!" |
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sri |
i really want to love vim |
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sri |
but details like no smooth scolling make my eyes hurt |
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sri |
scrolling |
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purl |
i think scrolling is fairly egalitarian, the stratum is the importance. |
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vervain |
I don't have a choice... overcoming muscle memory at this point would be like unlearning touch typing. |
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judofyr |
who scrolls in vim? |
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tempire |
the only time I ever missed smooth scrolling was while doing a screen cast |
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tempire |
sri is a chronic mouser |
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sri |
scrolling through code and browsing through a project is part of my workflow |
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* tempire |
does not judge those who choose to use a mouse, but does not understand their strange ways |
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judofyr |
yeah, actually, I realize that I do scroll through code |
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sri |
programming is more like drawing a picture than writing a story for me |
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tempire |
this feels like a good moment for marcus to say a mildly inappropriate sarcastic comment. |
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sri |
marcus is a mouser too |
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tempire |
now that's just begging for a sarcastic comment :) |
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tempire |
best pickup line, ever: http://imgur.com/gallery/Kfcui |
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tempire |
I found a bug |
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tempire |
./a_lite_app generate makefile |
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tempire |
https://gist.github.com/1836540 |
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sri |
yes, bug |
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judofyr |
what you mean? that's not the standard convention for naming lite apps? |
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sri |
but can you fix it without adding another line of code? :) |
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tempire |
where are the tests for the generate command? |
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tempire |
I see no tests. |
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tempire |
!! |
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Netfeed |
dun dun dun |
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tempire |
easy fix…but…tests… |
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sri |
tempire: commands have no tests |
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tempire |
that's it. I quit. moving to russia. |
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judofyr |
in russia, tests have no commands |
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sri |
in soviet russia glitter sprinkles tempire |
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tempire |
unpossible |
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purl |
me fail english? that's unpossible! |
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judofyr |
great, the test server to our payment provider is down… |
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tempire |
hackers! |
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purl |
hackers is mostly about teenage punks fighting authority, AFAICT. |
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tempire |
does it make sense to test the commands? |
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tempire |
at least the generate ones |
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tempire |
it's almost redundant |
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sri |
if you can do it portably, please do! |
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sri |
not to mention all command line switches |
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* tempire |
wishes there was an easy way to download all the pod docs for perldoc.perl.org |
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vervain |
You mean the source pods? |
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tempire |
this interface or something close to it: http://empireenterprises.com/s[…]120215-072942.png |
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vervain |
And why does FEATURE BUNDLE still claim :5.10 is the only one. |
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vervain |
tempire: I just downloaded the perldoc Lite version, link on perldoc.perl.org... seems to have what you want. |
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vervain |
http://perldoc.perl.org/perldoc-html.tar.gz |
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tempire |
oh hey. |
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tempire |
I had not noticed that before. |
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tempire |
:) |
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judofyr |
is there any reason to use ->waypoint over ->bride + ->route('/') ? |
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judofyr |
wait, hm |
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judofyr |
nested vs waypoints vs bridges are confusing :( |
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tempire |
sri: I'll fix the makefile bug, and think about tests. |
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sri |
tempire: ok |
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sri |
tempire: but fix it first and *then* think about tests |
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tempire |
was planning on it. it's necessary for deploy heroku to work. |
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sri |
create a branch for tests, they need to be "tested" for portability before going into core |
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judofyr |
tempire: I'm still not quite sure how to do Perloku properly though… |
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judofyr |
re: dependencies |
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purl |
dependencies are hard. |
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judofyr |
and avoiding to re-install everything |
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judofyr |
sri: from headius: "OpenJDK and Oracle Java are, and have always been, the same codebase" |
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sri |
i suppose that's why the oracle commercial stuff was committed into the openjdk repo |
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sri |
judofyr: but the problem is actually not the code |
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sri |
oracle doesn't have to keep anything closed source |
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sri |
see the dalvik situation |
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sri |
if oracle wanted they could crush anything java related they don't like |
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judofyr |
didn't Google pretty win that thing, or am I completely wrong? |
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sri |
i think that case is not closed yet |
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sri |
now imagine that happening to someone smaller than google :) |
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judofyr |
:) |
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tempire |
judofyr: what's the problem exactly? |
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tempire |
does the fs not stay consistent across pushes? |
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judofyr |
tempire: nope. but there's a cache-dir that's persistent |
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tempire |
ok…how does that cause everything to be reinstalled? |
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judofyr |
tempire: we need to clear the cache every once in a while (probably if the Makefile.PL has changed) |
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tempire |
is cache-dir not accessible by regular bash commands? |
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judofyr |
sure |
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* tempire |
is missing something |
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judofyr |
tempire: choice (1) don't cache anything. (2) clear cache when Makefile.PL changes. (3) clear cache every nth day. |
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judofyr |
(3) gives faster deployments |
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judofyr |
but you might end up with not up-to-date versions |
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judofyr |
and multiple versions of the same package |
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judofyr |
also, it might be an idea to have some sort of bundling support (as we discussed earlier) |
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sri |
make caching configurable and default to (2)? |
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sri |
PERLOKU_CACHE=0 |
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sri |
http://static.fjcdn.com/pictur[…]e5ac3_2480125.jpg |
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sri |
(disclaimer) |
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sri |
it's weird, during the last week i heard from multiple people that they want to use mojolicious but can't because they are trapped with some ancient perl |
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sri |
havn't had one of those during the last few months since the switch |
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sri |
the situation kinda sucks, now there are people intentionally using pre-2.0 versions |
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judofyr |
when was 5.8 dropped? |
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judofyr |
2.0? |
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purl |
2.0 is probably not yet dead or there or (: esther dyson, where) |
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sri |
2011-10-17 |
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purl |
1984 |
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judofyr |
purl: you're so helpful… |
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purl |
judofyr: huh? |
| 16:59 |
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judofyr |
exactly |
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sri |
oh well, not like we could do anything different |
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jwang |
sri: were they using RHEL/CentOS? last time I checked (last Nov), hosting providers were still using RHEL/CentOS5 since 6 is/was only certified on Dell servers. |
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sri |
i don't know |
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sri |
one thing i noticed is that catalyst for example are even trying to lower the required perl version |
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sri |
such moves worry me |
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judofyr |
that's bad… |
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judofyr |
I like how Rails is constantly pushing the required Ruby version higher |
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sri |
it starts to look like a competitive disadvantage again |
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judofyr |
e.g. Rails 4 will require Ruby 1.9 |
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sri |
(us requiring 5.10.1) |
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melmothX |
what's the preferred way to validate forms? |
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vervain |
Is there anything like Template::TT2Site for ep? |
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melmothX |
well, people, thanks for the mojocasts. Really clear and useful |
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mercutioviz |
just curious - anyone here ever use this? http://amplifyjs.com/ |
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* sri |
wonders why tempire hasn't committed a fix yet |
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GitHub23 |
[mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/znR_UA |
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GitHub23 |
[mojo/master] fixed small bug in makefile command - Sebastian Riedel |
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sri |
so it doesn't get forgotten |
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sri |
marcus: did you buy sublime2 or not? |
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sri |
make sure to try the soda theme, looks amazing |
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sri |
https://github.com/buymeasoda/soda-theme |
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marcus |
sri: no, I can't make up my mind. Staying with TM2 for now. |
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marcus |
sublime 2 has some neat ideas, but I can't really get comfortable |
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marcus |
sri: I also noticed someone writing in the reddit post that they're using pre-2.0 because of 5.10 requirement. makes me sad. |
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sri |
marcus: but what can we do? |
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marcus |
sri: stalk hosting providers and threaten to hunt them down? |
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* marcus |
ponders doing some research of hosting provider perl versions. |
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marcus |
if we could make it a competitive advantage for them to run a modern perl version, it would help. |
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sri |
or we push heroku as the one and only cheap hosting provider :o |
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marcus |
and ec2 |
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sri |
tempires commands should make that pretty easy |
| 20:47 |
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marcus |
'why run some crappy shared hosting if you can get a server with ec2 or heroku for free?' |
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* sri |
nods |
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sri |
while we are at it, found an alternative to textual yet? |
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marcus |
not yet. |
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sri |
let me know if you find something |
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marcus |
maybe go back to limechat |
| 20:49 |
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marcus |
at least it has regular releases. |
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sri |
you gave up tm1? |
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marcus |
yeah |
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marcus |
I don't edit bundles, so tm2 works well for me. |
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sri |
tm2 bundle editor is actually pretty good |
| 20:53 |
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marcus |
I had some slowness issues with some of my repos tho |
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sri |
i just hate the quirks, like closing last file closing the window |
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marcus |
I thought there was a setting for that. |
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sri |
not that i know of |
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marcus |
hmmm |
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marcus |
ok, back on limechat now. |
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marcus |
missed the little window at the bottom that shows what goes on everywhere |
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marcus |
also it seems a lot snappier than textual now |
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|
* marcus |
is making a limechat theme. |
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* sri |
giggles |
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sri |
kinda like limechat, but it's still lacking a few features |
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marcus |
like what? |
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sri |
different colors for nicks, banlist... |
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sri |
i would have to google how to ban/unban someone :) |
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sri |
also inline images |
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sri |
http://static.fjcdn.com/pictur[…]e5ac3_2480125.jpg |
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sri |
oh wait |
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marcus |
that works |
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marcus |
:) |
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sri |
limechat does that now :) |
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marcus |
luckily |
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marcus |
that's something I would have missed |
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marcus |
I'm able to set a ban using /mode |
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marcus |
It's not like I remember the last time I kickbanned someone :) |
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sri |
i've banned the irc web client |
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marcus |
miss the topic at the top |
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marcus |
sri: Seems you can have different colors for nicks too, it's a theme setting. |
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marcus |
http://nordaaker.com/docs/skit[…]120215-222856.jpg |
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marcus |
http://nordaaker.com/docs/skit[…]120215-222918.jpg |
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sri |
interesting |
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marcus |
need to make the channel list wider too |
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marcus |
oh, I can just drag it. |
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marcus |
wonder if it will remember that. |
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marcus |
a bunch of limechat themes at https://github.com/jschoolcraft/Limechat-Themes |
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marcus |
starting to be pretty happy about mine tho - http://nordaaker.com/docs/skit[…]120215-230427.jpg |
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sri |
hmm |
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|
* sri |
starts by hacking the Limelight theme |
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sri |
Consolas for sidebars makes a *huge* difference |
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sri |
i love that font |
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sri |
or actually, i love the whole typeface |
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marcus |
23:43 <omf_> Do any of these perl web servers have selinux policies already written? |
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* marcus |
wonders what that involves |
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sri |
tinfoil |
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marcus |
\o/ |
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marcus |
really like how I muted all the joins and quits and such by making it #999 |
| 22:48 |
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marcus |
instead of the extremely annoying green default. |
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marcus |
seems latest moose breaks catalyst. |
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sri |
can't you just deactivate them? |
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marcus |
guess I could do display:none |
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sri |
Preferences/Log/Show join/leave |
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marcus |
ooh, much better |
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marcus |
thanks |
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omf_ |
marcus, I just dug up some data about my mojo setup |
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marcus |
omf_: great. |
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omf_ |
okay |
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omf_ |
let me paste my sample app into no paste |
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marcus |
omf_: this is the app you're trying to run as cgi and not getting ajax to work on? |
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omf_ |
yes |
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marcus |
sure, please paste. |
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marcus |
I mean nopaste :) |
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omf_ |
http://paste.scsys.co.uk/182116 |
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omf_ |
so with plackup it works great |
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omf_ |
apache cgi the ajax response fails |
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marcus |
omf_: works fine here. |
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marcus |
omf_: just tested it with apache. |
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omf_ |
not fastcgi |
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marcus |
no, cgi |
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marcus |
you said cgi |
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omf_ |
so you just proved it is a config thing |
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marcus |
heh |
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omf_ |
could I take peek at your vhosts |
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omf_ |
or are you doing the setup in httpd.conf or .htaccess? |
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marcus |
omf_: http://paste.scsys.co.uk/182117 |
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marcus |
omf_: this is on my local mac. |
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marcus |
never mind the eventsource name, I just stuffed your file into a cgi script I was already testing. |
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marcus |
(of course, the eventsource example would not work on cgi, since it requires a running ioloop). |
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omf_ |
no joy |
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omf_ |
and this was in a fresh installed virtual machine |
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marcus |
http://nordaaker.com/docs/skit[…]120216-001031.jpg hmm, 200ms is really not bad response time for a cgi script. |
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marcus |
omf_: do you like get some error? :) |
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marcus |
purl: does not work? |
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purl |
marcus: wish i knew |
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* marcus |
stabs purl |
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purl |
Connection refused on port stab |
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omf_ |
I get this in the error_log which makes me thing there is a missing rewrite rule |
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omf_ |
[error] [client ::1] script not found or unable to stat: /srv/www/cgi-bin/demo.plajax |
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marcus |
omf_: looks like you're missing the trailing / after demopl |
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omf_ |
yep |
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omf_ |
I fixed it |
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marcus |
\o/ |
| 23:13 |
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omf_ |
indeed |
| 23:13 |
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omf_ |
now for fastcgi |
| 23:13 |
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omf_ |
and then mod_perl |
| 23:13 |
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purl |
then mod_perl is like the worst possible idea. |
| 23:14 |
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* marcus |
hugs purl |
| 23:14 |
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purl |
marcus: bathe first |
| 23:14 |
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marcus |
omf_: I recommend doing those through psgi |
| 23:14 |
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omf_ |
that is what I tried the first time |
| 23:14 |
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omf_ |
now I am going to look at that old config again |
| 23:15 |
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marcus |
omf_: http://search.cpan.org/~miyaga[…]andler/Apache2.pm |
| 23:15 |
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marcus |
omf_: http://search.cpan.org/~miyaga[…]k/Handler/FCGI.pm |
| 23:16 |
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marcus |
omf_: if you have trouble, there§s a #plack on this network. configuring those is not really related to mojo |
| 23:16 |
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marcus |
it would be the same for dancer as well. |
| 23:16 |
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marcus |
given that plackup works. |
| 23:17 |
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* marcus |
has to crash now. |
| 23:17 |
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omf_ |
thanks for the help marcus |
| 23:17 |
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marcus |
you're welcome. ttyl. |
| 23:20 |
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sri |
my theme slowly starts to look like twilight :) |
| 23:24 |
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sri |
could someone please mention my nick |
| 23:24 |
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sri |
sri sri sri |
| 23:24 |
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sri |
nope, doesn't work for myself :/ |
| 23:24 |
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omf_ |
sri test that twilight |
| 23:24 |
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sri |
\o/ |
| 23:24 |
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sri |
omf_++ |
| 23:24 |
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omf_ |
it looks the way you want? |
| 23:25 |
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sri |
perfect |
| 23:27 |
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sri |
http://twitpic.com/8kfvhc/full # still tweaking, but that's what i got so far |
| 23:29 |
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sri |
much fewer colors than limelight, and more blue than yellow |
| 23:29 |
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omf_ |
that is a good scheme |
| 23:30 |
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sri |
highlighting could still be better |
| 23:30 |
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omf_ |
what is the procedure for submitting a documentation patch |
| 23:31 |
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sri |
depends, if it's a typo then a pull request is fine, if it's a content change discussing it first is preferred |
| 23:32 |
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omf_ |
okay I am referring to https://metacpan.org/module/Mo[…]okbook#Apache-CGI which is just these two lines |
| 23:32 |
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omf_ |
CGI is supported out of the box and your Mojolicious application will automatically detect that it is executed as a CGI script. |
| 23:32 |
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omf_ |
ScriptAlias / /home/sri/myapp/script/myapp/ |
| 23:32 |
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purl |
Hmm. No matches for that, omf_. |
| 23:33 |
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omf_ |
As someone familiar with apache that is easy to understand |
| 23:33 |
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omf_ |
I would add |
| 23:34 |
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omf_ |
Add the following line to your httpd.conf or virtualhost file: |
| 23:35 |
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marcus |
maybe also 'Please note the trailing slash after the script name.' ;-) |
| 23:35 |
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omf_ |
yes |
| 23:35 |
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omf_ |
also: |
| 23:35 |
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omf_ |
Make sure that no other rewrite directives are enabled in your httpd.conf or virtualhost file. |
| 23:35 |
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omf_ |
This can lead to unexpected behavior. |
| 23:37 |
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sri |
"Just add a line like this to your C<httpd.conf>, the trailing slash is intentional."? |
| 23:38 |
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omf_ |
yeah but it is not necessary to be in httpd.conf. I always place it in a separate virtual host file. It seems to be a trend on certain linux distros |
| 23:38 |
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sri |
on the other hand, we already have other apache recipes without such details |
| 23:38 |
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omf_ |
I guess my question is |
| 23:39 |
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sri |
i'd rather have details in the wiki |
| 23:39 |
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omf_ |
Who is the intended audience for this doc? A mojolicious beginner or better sure. But is it expected that the user has already mastered the web server they plan to deploy on? |
| 23:40 |
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sri |
second, for sure |
| 23:40 |
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sri |
it's meant as a hint in the right direction |
| 23:40 |
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omf_ |
okay then the wiki is the place |
| 23:44 |
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* sri |
yawns |
