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sri: how do you find the SPDY? |
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judofyr |
err |
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judofyr |
the SPDY spec* |
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NOBODY EXPECTS THE GOOGLE SPDY |
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ALL GLORY TO THE GOOGLE SPY |
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sri |
judofyr: it's ok |
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sri |
judofyr: i just hate the handshake and ssl requirement |
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sri |
those two could easily prevent mainstream adoption |
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sri |
oh, new css4 selector spec too, selector subject didn't change once again |
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kokey |
yay, found it |
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kokey |
quick question... |
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kokey |
how do I render multiple ep templates? |
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kokey |
just discovered multiple render lines doesn't seem to be the way |
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judofyr |
kokey: render_partial? |
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bo |
Hello. I am quite new to Mojolicious. I try to find out the clients IP address. I found the info somewhere in the datastructure of the object ($self). I guess I should get it with something like $self->{tx}->{remote_address} but it is not working. Am I trying a completely wrong approach? |
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bo |
oh.. got it! |
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bo |
$self->{tx}{remote_address} is working |
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judofyr |
bo: please don't use internal attributes |
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judofyr |
bo: there's a reason it's blessed |
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judofyr |
bo: $self->tx->remote_address should owkr |
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judofyr |
bo: tx is documented here: https://metacpan.org/module/Mo[…]us::Controller#tx |
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judofyr |
and here's the base class to $self->tx: https://metacpan.org/module/Mojo::Transaction |
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bo |
judofyr, thank you. -_- |
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judofyr |
bo: why -_-? :-( |
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bo |
judofyr, I'm just not to used to web development anymore and it's quite some work to get into it again :-) |
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judofyr |
bo: ah, anything you feel is missing from the Mojolicious documentation? |
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bo |
judofyr, since I'm not a native english speaker I find it quite hard to read myself into topics. So the problem is defenitely me, not the docs! After I made some progress it will also be easier for me to understand the documentation you know |
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bo |
judofyr, thanks a lot for encouraging me to stick to the documentation :-) |
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judofyr |
bo: ah, English knowledge is (unfortunately) something we'll have to take for granted in the docs (: |
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bo |
my english is quite fine... but I found that reading technical things in a foreign language adds quite some complexity. |
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bo |
maybe it's just me |
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judofyr |
ah |
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judofyr |
reference documentation is probably even more difficult |
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judofyr |
bo: what about the guides? |
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bo |
I have not read them all. I'm just trying my first steps. Haha. Maaaannn... yes yes I will read them aaaaaaall before asking again :-P |
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judofyr |
bo: hehe. some people might be annoyed when you ask before you read; I really don't mind. |
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bo |
judofyr, do I have to check all ->param('bla') stuff and kind with the defined() function before using? I'm getting errors that make me think I should! |
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bo |
like if(defined $self->param('bla') and $self->param('bla') eq 'blue') instead of just if($self->param('bla')) |
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judofyr |
bo: that depends on how you want to handle empty params |
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judofyr |
if the URL is "?q=", then $self->param('q') will return an empty string |
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judofyr |
(and therefore it will be false) |
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bo |
ok, so my problem is probably somewhere else |
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judofyr |
what's the error? |
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purl |
the error is probably KABOOM! |
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judofyr |
purl++ |
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bo |
judofyr, I mean it doesn't matter where the variable is coming from right? it can also come from a button like "<input name="BLA" type="submit" value="BLA" />" |
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bo |
I just call it the same way... $self->param('BLA') in this case |
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judofyr |
bo: yes. it also doesn't matter if it's a action="post" or action="get" |
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bo |
ok, then I'm at least trying it the rigeht way :-) This is a good moment to take a break and eat some chocolate :-) |
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judofyr |
yum yum |
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bo |
judofyr, thx for the kind help |
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judofyr |
you're welcome |
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judofyr |
:) |
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sri |
MOAR KABOOM |
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judofyr |
sri: any plans for SPDY support in Mojo, or are you going to leave it to nginx/apache? |
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sri |
judofyr: https://github.com/kraih/mojo/issues/293 |
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judofyr |
NPN support? |
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sri |
yes |
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judofyr |
what's that? |
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purl |
hmmm... that is .nl |
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daxim |
purl, forget that |
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purl |
daxim: I forgot that |
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sri |
next protocol negotiation |
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judofyr |
ah |
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sri |
a TLS extension that allows the next protocol to be negotiated during the TLS handshake |
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sri |
server says "i have http/2.0 and spdy/1.0"... client says "cool story bro, i'll take spdy/1.0" |
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sri |
only recently got into openssl |
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judofyr |
ah |
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judofyr |
I see |
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sri |
it's rather annoying |
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sri |
yet another way to upgrade connections |
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judofyr |
sri: what do you think about server push? automatic extraction from HTML? another method on Controller? |
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sri |
i've not planned that far yet |
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sri |
in the end we might never actually support spdy, but some dumbed down version they adopt as http 2.0 |
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sri |
imo the one important feature is multiplexing |
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sri |
i couldn't care less about everything else |
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sri |
header compression is ok, but it's not a game changer like multiplexing |
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sri |
i'd rather pipe large files over a websocket with deflate extension on a multiplexed http 2.0 stream |
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* crab |
decides to depend on /js/jquery.js |
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sri |
judofyr: regarding push, i think we will end up with letting nginx handle it with a new header "X-Push: /foo.png, /bar.js, /baz.css" or so |
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sets crab on fire |
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crab |
! |
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crab |
am i not supposed to use it, or what? |
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sri |
nope |
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sri |
crab: well, you can depend on it, but you should be aware that it is not covered by the deprecation policy |
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crab |
after you go to sleep, i'll commit a test that checks for it ;-) |
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sri |
it's also undocumented |
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sri |
and you need a vote to make it a feature ;p |
| 16:44 |
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sri |
but i think it's unrealistic to cover bundled javascript we don't actually maintain with our deprecation policy |
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sri |
what if they make a non-backcompat change, are we suddenly cut off from bugfixes for a few months? |
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sri |
would we have to start backporting javascript fixes? |
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sri |
it will never pass a vote, way too much trouble :) |
| 16:52 |
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crab |
sri: it's not too much trouble to depend on it (for me), since i can always toss a jquery.js into public/js if i need to. |
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sri |
https://github.com/kraih/mojo/issues/289 # is this discussion over or not? |
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crab |
what is TO_JSON? |
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purl |
TO_JSON is always static, TO_SQL depends on db |
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crab |
my $tj = $ref->can('TO_JSON'); if ($tj) { $obj = $ref->$tj() }? |
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sri |
think so |
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* sri |
hates the idea of encouraging all upper case method names |
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crab |
why does it have to be uppercase? |
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sri |
because to_json is already often in use or so |
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crab |
sri: i don't think anything needs to be done. i have dealt with the same problem, and it was easy enough to have a method that does the work. |
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sri |
i actually have no idea who made it up |
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crab |
in my case, it's called ->display_hash |
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sri |
why not ->to_hash? :) |
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crab |
sri: because there are other ->db_hash etc. methods too |
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sri |
i see |
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crab |
all of which return a hash of some sort based on the object's current values |
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sri |
think i would still use ->to_db_hash and ->to_display_hash |
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sri |
like ->to_psgi_app in mojolicious |
| 17:10 |
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crab |
makes sense too |
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sri |
ah, JSON.pm actually supports TO_JSON |
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sri |
"The TO_JSON method may safely call die if it wants. If TO_JSON returns other blessed objects, those will be handled in the same way. TO_JSON must take care of not causing an endless recursion cycle (== crash) in this case. The name of TO_JSON was chosen because other methods called by the Perl core (== not by the user of the object) are usually in upper case letters and to avoid collisions with the to_json function or method." |
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sri |
not exactly pretty |
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marcus |
sri: prettier than having to deserialize an object graph yourself. |
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* marcus |
is using arne's old 17". This thing is a beast! |
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marcus |
wonder if they will make them without dvd players, they will be pretty weird. |
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sri |
marcus: ugly is ugly |
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marcus |
sri: I didn't pick perl for it's looks. :p |
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* marcus |
is still in a happy daze about not having to call self. all over the place in his obj-c classes |
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tempire |
ugh. obj-c. |
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marcus |
tempire: with arc and the new compiler features, it gets downright pretty. |
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tempire |
arc? |
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purl |
i think arc is Lisp-like or not as big as it should be. Probably getting consumed by alloc blocks from the L2ARC. |
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marcus |
xcode can even autocomplete stuff like [foo.bar.baz ba...] |
| 18:38 |
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tempire |
auto ref counting, ok |
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marcus |
yepp |
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tempire |
do you still have to declare accessors twice? |
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tempire |
accessors to visual items, I think it was |
| 18:39 |
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tempire |
to be fair, it's not strictly obj-c that I didn't like. it was cocoa |
| 18:39 |
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tempire |
but these days I'm kind of disgusted by all things not functional. |
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tempire |
chomp makes me feel icky |
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marcus |
yeah, you have to @synthizise them. |
| 18:40 |
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marcus |
but you don't have to declare the ivars anymore |
| 18:40 |
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tempire |
well that's good |
| 18:40 |
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marcus |
tempire: cocoa has gotten a lot more functional as well, with blocks support all over the place. |
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* marcus |
has actually had a flashback to visual basic this week, with dragging gui elements to the code to autogenerate accessors for the storyboard items :) |
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marcus |
and actions |
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marcus |
shit, the perlito guy really keeps a good pace - https://github.com/fglock/Perlito/commits/master |
| 18:44 |
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marcus |
maybe it'll be usable for actual stuff sometime soon. |
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GitHub48 |
[mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/8qPniA |
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GitHub48 |
[mojo/master] deprecated custom listen values in Mojo::Server::Daemon->listen in favor of URLs, this change also affects Morbo and Hypnotoad - Sebastian Riedel |
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sri |
this should be a lot more dwim |
| 18:47 |
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marcus |
sri: btw, I was wondering, isn't the request timeout in place for psgi requests? |
| 18:47 |
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sri |
wat? |
| 18:47 |
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purl |
Watt? Watt? I can't hear you, there's this buzzing noise where my brain should be. |
| 18:48 |
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marcus |
I was looking, and it seemed like it's implemented in Server.pm? |
| 18:48 |
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sri |
all timeouts are server features |
| 18:49 |
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marcus |
sri: right. so if you deploy a request with psgi, it won't time out ever if it doesn't render? Just block the psgi server? |
| 18:49 |
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marcus |
unless that server times out the request, ofcourse. |
| 18:49 |
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sri |
depends entirely on the psgi server |
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sri |
we just do what the psgi spec says, that's it |
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marcus |
I see FCGI::Engine::PSGI just uses Plack::Util::run_app |
| 18:52 |
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marcus |
so I guess it has no protection against blocking children. |
| 18:56 |
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tempire |
the cert/key/ca as query params seems weird to me |
| 18:56 |
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sri |
tempire: how so? |
| 18:56 |
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tempire |
although the old syntax is weird too, objectively |
| 18:57 |
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sri |
i've just hacked on the mongodb uri parsing code and notcied the ugly custom hack we used for listen values :) |
| 18:57 |
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sri |
mongodb uses query params too |
| 18:57 |
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sri |
the good thing is, query params are extendable |
| 18:58 |
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tempire |
woah. perlito is...does this work? |
| 18:58 |
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sri |
we could in the future just support more values |
| 18:58 |
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marcus |
tempire: I was able to make a minimal Mojo::Lite app with it the last time I tried. |
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sri |
i'm thinking spdy=1 and the like |
| 18:58 |
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batman |
is it possible to do something like "% $foo and form_for "foo", begin" ? |
| 18:59 |
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batman |
looks like begin/end doesn't behave nicely with conditions |
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batman |
which i understand :) |
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sri |
batman: rendering guide has examples that will show you exactly what begin/end compiles to |
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batman |
i know that part. |
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batman |
just wondering if there was a way to accomplish what i wanted... |
| 19:03 |
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batman |
oh. i think i know now.. |
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sri |
tempire: you would go back to the previous listen value? |
| 19:04 |
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tempire |
no, the new one clearly makes more sense. |
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sri |
k |
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sri |
btw. maybe a release soonish? i'd like to see the new iowatcher tests on cpantesters ;) |
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* sri |
is also still waiting for asset plugins... now thatwe have support for multiple public and templates directories |
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* sri |
remembers marcus promising to package bootstrap 2.0 |
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[mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/D93Ppw |
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GitHub148 |
[mojo/master] mention that deprecation only affects HTTPS - Sebastian Riedel |
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marcus |
sri: that is still vaguely somewhere on my todo. |
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cracks the whip |
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sri |
CAN HAZ RELEASE? |
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* sri |
shrugs and goes to get some pizza |
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vervain |
Is there a way to 'turn off' ep evaluation for a section of a template? I want to use an underscore template but they use the same tag identifiers... and I"d rather not change ep syntax for my whole ap. |
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vervain |
Seems I can escape all my tags with <%% but it would be nice to do this 'blockwise'. |
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* sri |
wonders where the core devs hide |
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GitHub23 |
[mojo/master] list available parameters for listen URLs - Sebastian Riedel |
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sri |
oh |
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* sri |
knows what tempire is doing :) |
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sri |
tempire++ |
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marcus |
I'm setting up this 17" laptop |
| 21:23 |
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marcus |
Installing /Users/marcus/perl5/perlbrew/build/perl-5.14.2 failed. See /Users/marcus/perl5/perlbrew/build.log to see why. :( |
| 21:23 |
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tempire |
failed tests? |
| 21:23 |
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* sri |
wonders if they'll make a 17" Air |
| 21:25 |
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marcus |
HiRes.t and posix.t |
| 21:25 |
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marcus |
sri: I wonder that too. |
| 21:25 |
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* sri |
doesn't want to think about the price of a 17" Air with retina display |
| 21:25 |
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marcus |
this non-air is really too heavy, but an air model would be awesome. |
| 21:28 |
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tempire |
I think all of them will be airs soon |
| 21:30 |
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sri |
it's a bit ridiculous that no other company has figured out yet how to make quality laptops |
| 21:31 |
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sri |
even those lenovos are still huge black bricks |
| 21:31 |
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tempire |
what about the hp that copied the apple commercial? |
| 21:31 |
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* tempire |
thinks it was hip |
| 21:31 |
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sri |
haha |
| 21:31 |
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tempire |
er |
| 21:31 |
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tempire |
*hp |
| 21:32 |
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sri |
it has a beats by dr dre logo, it must be hip! |
| 21:32 |
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marcus |
hp envy |
| 21:32 |
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marcus |
best name for an mbp ripoff ever. |
| 21:32 |
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sri |
that commercial was hilarious |
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| 21:45 |
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marcus |
hmm, still no vico 1.4 |
| 21:45 |
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* marcus |
is losing faith |
| 21:45 |
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marcus |
http://blog.vicoapp.com/2012/0[…]-release#comments |
| 21:49 |
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omega |
vico is the flavour of the week editor? |
| 21:49 |
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omega |
marcus: has iterm2 + tmux stabelized? |
| 21:50 |
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marcus |
omega: vico is almost a good vim/textmate blend |
| 21:50 |
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marcus |
omega: I noticed it has progressed, but I didn't try it yet. |
| 21:50 |
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marcus |
I probably need to upgrade my tmux |
| 21:53 |
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omega |
latest iterm2 tmux is from 3rd of Feb |
| 21:54 |
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marcus |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sUeGC-8dyk phear |
| 21:55 |
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marcus |
shit, I forgot how slow a machine can be without ssd. |
| 21:55 |
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marcus |
this is sa |
| 21:55 |
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marcus |
sad |
| 21:56 |
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sri |
skynet \o/ |
| 21:56 |
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marcus |
omega: You have run an unsupported version of tmux. Please install a version that is compatible with this build of iTerm2. |
| 21:58 |
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omega |
marcus: yeah, they need to match |
| 21:58 |
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marcus |
omega: how childish |
| 21:59 |
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tempire |
I have created the most useful vim shortcut in the entire world |
| 22:00 |
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marcus |
omega: I got the latest from http://code.google.com/p/iterm[…]d.tar.gz&can=2&q= and it is still saying that. |
| 22:00 |
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tempire |
https://gist.github.com/1953527 |
| 22:02 |
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marcus |
tempire: it opens perldoc? |
| 22:02 |
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tempire |
the source of the module your cursor is over |
| 22:02 |
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geck |
sri: my father in law got a Samsung Series 5 and the build quality seemed pretty high |
| 22:04 |
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marcus |
omega: figured it out, had to kill the running tmux -C |
| 22:08 |
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omega |
aha |
| 22:12 |
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marcus |
omega: seems more robust now |
| 22:15 |
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marcus |
I take that back :/ |
| 22:16 |
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omega |
ohh? |
| 22:21 |
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marcus |
omega: fucked up layout on cmd-d, put all my windows at the top of the screen |
| 22:21 |
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marcus |
(on one occation( |
| 22:22 |
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omega |
huh for me it opened a new window |
| 22:22 |
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omega |
and in the "old" it showed the menu |
| 22:23 |
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omega |
is that normal? |
| 22:33 |
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marcus |
yeah |
| 22:34 |
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marcus |
and all the windows in the new window will automatically be in your tmux |
| 22:36 |
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sri |
so, rails is over? |
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tempire |
it's no longer releasing records. but it's making a killing producing for other artists. |
| 22:39 |
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marcus |
hate the hype, love the hyper. |
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sri |
https://github.com/kraih/mojo/issues/295 # one thing that needs to be thought through before stabilizing websockets |
| 23:24 |
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crab |
hi |
| 23:24 |
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purl |
salut, crab. |
| 23:24 |
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crab |
sri: release-ish? |
| 23:25 |
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crab |
hmm. 2.56. we should release 5.12 next. |
| 23:25 |
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sri |
good morning india |
| 23:28 |
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sri |
and good night europe :) |
