Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #mojo, 2012-04-05

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00:03 sri oh
00:04 sri mojolicious is now 4k lines smaller than moose :)
00:05 sri not counting any deps
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00:07 JerJer1 woot
00:08 tempire has lessthan => sub {'4k'};
00:09 tempire or
00:09 tempire has lines => sub {'4k'};
00:09 tempire or
00:09 tempire has lines => sub {'moose'};
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00:29 sri http://t.qkme.me/30lv.jpg
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02:02 GitHub192 [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/8WPEpg
02:02 GitHub192 [mojo/master] mention that multiple MIME types are ignored - Sebastian Riedel
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02:48 GitHub197 [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/KsbdSQ
02:48 GitHub197 [mojo/master] fixed small inconsistencies - Sebastian Riedel
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02:51 sri hmm
02:52 sri there is one more inconsistency, and i'm not sure it it's a feature
02:53 sri internally we use a little trick to reuse stream ids for upgraded connections https://github.com/kraih/mojo/bl​ob/master/lib/Mojo/IOLoop.pm#L45
02:54 sri that argument is undocumented, i'm not sure what to do with it
02:54 sri stream method does the same https://github.com/kraih/mojo/blo​b/master/lib/Mojo/IOLoop.pm#L192
02:55 sri it is possible to get rid of both, but it's less efficient and more code :/
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02:57 sri are inofficial arguments in a public api ok for internal use?
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03:20 GitHub169 [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/hr92Yw
03:20 GitHub169 [mojo/master] small optimizations - Sebastian Riedel
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03:21 xaka1 is there any way to reset reactor (drop all timers, recurring, handles, ...)? i need to fork current process and use reactor, but i dont want to overlap parent and child reactor states
03:26 tempire Define "ok".
03:26 tempire There will be at least one person who complains if it disappears.
03:26 tempire But I still think its acceptable.
03:27 tempire "documented" is the line.
03:29 sri tempire: ok as in good style
03:29 sri i don't particularly care about people depending on internal apis
03:30 sri it's like poking into objects with app->{renderer}->{paths}
03:32 sri i expect our users to know that's a big no no
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03:48 GitHub48 [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/mJRBKw
03:48 GitHub48 [mojo/master] fixed two small inconsistencies - Sebastian Riedel
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03:48 sri ok, and gone
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03:57 GitHub159 [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/KvTfwg
03:57 GitHub159 [mojo/master] better form example - Sebastian Riedel
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03:59 sri i think during the summer it's a lot easier to upload many small releases, not a single complaint yet :)
03:59 sri but this concludes my little experiment... and we are back to monthly releases ;p
04:01 tempire I thought people stopped complaining long ago.
04:02 tempire The consistency of the fast releases is consistently consistent.
04:02 sri it's not like we've had daily releases in the last few months
04:02 sri more like weekly
04:02 tempire Weekly or less.
04:03 tempire Not that much has changed, though.
04:03 tempire None of my apps have had any trouble with upgrades in a while.
04:03 sri true
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04:07 kart00n I'm thinking of putting one of these next to my wife while she sleeps then waking her up
04:07 kart00n http://i31.fastpic.ru/big/2012/0404/00​/ee8f359b5fc2dec134f1396b6ae06500.jpg
04:08 sri do it
04:09 ExpFist I just need to figure out where to buy one
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04:16 sri looks like an eel
04:17 sri which are quite tasty
04:18 ExpFist It looks like one of those african anti-rape devices
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04:23 GitHub49 [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/4CCMrQ
04:23 GitHub49 [mojo/master] small optimization - Sebastian Riedel
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05:05 GitHub47 [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/3_R0Tg
05:05 GitHub47 [mojo/master] documentation tweaks - Sebastian Riedel
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05:05 ispy_ Hey everyone, just thought I'd share a recent addition to the production mojolicoius pool . Check out after5detroit.com!
05:06 ispy_ A special thanks to the excellent documentation effor that has really brought mojo into a high quality status in my opinion. Not to mention the excellent efforts of Sri and all of those who have contributed to it.
05:09 sri neat
05:12 * sri knows absolutely nothing about detroit
05:19 sri http://www.ampyourstrat.com/wp-conten​t/uploads/living_in_detroit_meme.png
05:19 sri :D
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05:22 ispy_ hahah
05:42 ispy_ btw, hotdeployment rocks. I live by it now, haha... I'm going to try and see just how far the hypnotoad server scales before I fall back on Apache. Any advice?
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07:01 crab ispy: don't run with scissors, you might fall and get hurt
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07:16 marcus Winners don't do bugs.
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08:00 nicolaas hi
08:00 purl hi, nicolaas.
08:00 nicolaas i've got an issue with morbo : it doesn't "recompile" my sources on the fly
08:01 nicolaas with one of my projects, no problem .. but i created a new one, in a different place, and it just doesn't work
08:01 nicolaas any idea why ?
08:01 purl i heard any idea why was the catalyst site powered by catalyst?
08:02 nicolaas purl, is that for me ?
08:05 nicolaas should i use something else than morbo ?
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08:29 nicolaas ok, solved .. i ran my command from the "script" folder .. it must be ran from the project root
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12:48 GitHub189 [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/X675TQ
12:48 GitHub189 [mojo/master] fixed small bug that prevented non-string secrets in Mojolicious (closes #312) - Sebastian Riedel
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13:19 * marcus is at Amersfoort
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16:02 * tempire pokes marcus' Amersfoort
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16:33 GitHub99 [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/45_SNA
16:33 GitHub99 [mojo/master] fixed small documentation bug - Sebastian Riedel
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16:46 * marty does a swanky little jig
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17:00 crab yko!
17:00 yko crab!
17:00 yko why didn't you register for PerlMova conference? >_<
17:01 sri yko!
17:01 sri crab!
17:01 yko sri!
17:01 yko :D
17:01 crab (a) i didn't know about it, (b) i probably can't attend anyway.
17:01 crab (sri!)
17:01 sri \o/
17:01 yko sri, have you ever been to Ukraine?
17:01 sri nope, i'm scared of the east
17:02 yko i'ts kinda center of Europe!
17:02 yko geographical :)
17:03 sri the internet has taught me that all ukrainians are crazy :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8keV3Zvq-sY
17:05 yko it's madness indeed. we had special bridge to walk over. but now it's closed, so people use another bridge
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17:35 GitHub114 [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/LH9Aug
17:35 GitHub114 [mojo/master] added IO::Async example - Sebastian Riedel
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17:44 sri :)
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19:19 tempire the ukrainians are experts at hiding from zombies
19:21 sri in ukraine zombies hide from you?
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19:57 bet0x Hello all, i cant install Mojolicious::Lite from cpan i do get an error always also using cpanm
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20:02 bet0x ignore me, is my perl version is old
20:59 tempire I question klout.
20:59 tempire It says I'm influential in marriage.
21:31 sri wow, i love the microsoft proposal for http 2.0
21:31 sri http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mo​ntenegro-httpbis-speed-mobility-01
21:31 sri tempire: lol
21:32 sri that proposal actually reuses websockets as transport for http 2.0
21:37 sri i expect websocket support in ie 10 to be pretty good :)
21:42 sri this would be absolutely trivial to get working in mojolicious, without any refactoring :o
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22:10 tempire It's a brave new world.  MS doing things right across the board.
22:10 tempire Almost.
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22:13 sri except for windows 8
22:13 sri what a mess of an operating system
22:20 tempire is it?
22:20 purl it's it!
22:20 tempire I heard good things
22:20 tempire native js
22:20 tempire nifty new ui
22:21 sri metro looks pretty good
22:21 sri but they kept the old desktop
22:21 sri you switch between pretty metro ui and old ugly desktop
22:21 tempire that's a given, I think.  I suspect the new apps will use metro, but the old will still be available.
22:22 tempire I doubt they have a choice, given their user base.
22:23 tempire this is the first time I'd be willing to give it a try.  haven't been willing to use windows since 2k
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22:25 GitHub90 [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/6an6Iw
22:25 GitHub90 [mojo/master] little boxes on the hillside, little boxes made of ticky tacky... - Sebastian Riedel
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22:25 tempire aw
22:25 tempire a poem
22:26 sri http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8StRAJCork
22:28 sri now i'll be humming that for the next few hours :S
22:29 tempire and so it begins http://www.youtube.com/watch?featur​e=player_embedded&amp;v=nHh00VPT7L4
22:31 sri :o
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