Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #mojo, 2012-06-11

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01:29 GitHub11 [mojo/master] small optimizations - Sebastian Riedel
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04:39 GitHub170 [mojo/master] better WebSocket handshake tests - Sebastian Riedel
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07:14 marcus Oh Hay
07:15 marcus sri: I want to keep pointer and i18n.
07:17 sri ok :(
07:26 sri http://www.perl-community.de/ba​t/poard/thread/17452#ms_158869 # a little more information about the windows bug (german)
07:27 sri looks really bad
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07:34 sri more tests failing means that version of windows is simply hopeless
07:36 sri glad our install oneliner runs cpanm with -n
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08:03 stephan48 sri: i got it installed on W7x64 with dwimperl 5.14.2
08:06 stephan48 und das perl ist 32bit
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08:10 sri stephan48: it works for most versions of windows
08:10 sri we only know about two cases yet
08:11 sri my guess is still a busted winsock2.dll
08:12 stephan48 okey
08:14 stephan48 i will check which version/checksum mine got and post that, i am so far at the lastest update level of w7
08:14 stephan48 thanks for op btw
08:16 stephan48 ok thats interesting, i cant find winsock2.dll
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08:39 sri or some other dll
08:39 sri it must be something minor, because it affects so few
08:40 sri but we do know that it affects multiple versions of windows and perl
08:40 sri so an optional install, or older part of a service pack maybe
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08:44 sri maybe a virus scanner, firewall or rootkit
08:51 diegok marcus: keep i18n?
08:51 sri i've been asking if questionable features like json pointer and i18n should be kept in core for 3.0
08:52 diegok sri: I use i18n, don't know it that means it should be core.
08:53 diegok sri: json pointers are sexy but I've never used it :)
08:53 sri the reason i'm considering removal is that a) the code is a big hack and b) i believe it might discourage more powerful i18n plugins on cpan
08:55 sri the problem with json pointers is that the spec is still in development and they have been changed drastically in the latest draft... escaping got very ugly
08:55 sri the json pointers we have now are not the json pointers we originally agreed on for core
08:56 sri https://github.com/kraih/mojo/blob​/master/t/mojo/json_pointer.t#L46
08:56 sri examples
08:56 sri note the ^ escaping
08:59 sri when i say I18N is a big hack i mean this https://github.com/kraih/mojo/blob/mas​ter/lib/Mojolicious/Plugin/I18N.pm#L16
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09:01 sri after all, the reason for plugins to be in core is that they are good examples
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09:03 sri I18N is not an essential everybody needs, it only makes sense to have it in core if it was a good example, which is questionable
09:19 marcus well, I think that being international is an important trait for a web framework. it shows that the web is international, not just american. It's a bit of the same as unicode support.
09:20 sri foreign languages are for terrorists!
09:21 daxim and that's why there's an i18n framework in perl core!!   …  wait
09:49 marcus daxim: like http://perldoc.perl.org/I18N/Langinfo.html ? :)
09:50 daxim http://perlpunks.de/corelist/ver​sion?module=Locale%3A%3AMaketext
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10:46 GitHub124 [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/ANkiag
10:46 GitHub124 [mojo/master] more WebSocket handshake tests - Sebastian Riedel
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11:58 * sri unicorn encodes tempire
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13:29 inokenty Oops
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14:27 Grauwolf what is currently the best practice deployment for mojolicious(::lite) apps? hypnotoad? mod_perl?
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14:54 diegok Grauwolf: hypnotoad most probably
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17:14 JiYu some one ever tried to run morbo or hypnotoad to start a script with an Getopt option?
17:14 JiYu e.g. https://rt.fm/pc2/perl
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18:13 tempire marcus has a good point, showing that the framework isn't just 'merican
18:14 tempire although, maybe we could put the word out that the i18n plugin needs a loving owner, and see who pops up
18:14 tempire with the presumption that they would do good things with it, and not just let it sit.
18:16 tempire so who's giving the mojolicious' talk in frankfurt this year?
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18:38 kthakore hey!
18:38 kthakore sri wanna see coolio mojo pilot I made?
18:39 tempire yes
18:39 kthakore http://danna.aimed.cc:3010
18:39 kthakore Give it csv in the format of "X_var", "Y_var",\n,12,233
18:39 kthakore only numbers right now
18:40 kthakore it finds convergence corellation
18:40 tempire \o/
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19:04 JerJer how does one properly setup mojo to start on boot ?   it seems anytime I detach the tty, even if i redirect stdin/stdout my app stops responding completely
19:05 bobkare JerJer: depends on how you deploy it. Tried hypnotoad?
19:07 JerJer no matter what I do, hypnotoad always says, "It looks like you don't have the Mojolicious framework installed.
19:07 JerJer Please visit http://mojolicio.us for detailed installation instructions."
19:08 JerJer even if i do generate from mojo
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19:08 JerJer and i've gone as far as an export PERL5LIB = /my/perl/dir
19:10 JerJer Can't locate feature.pm in @INC
19:10 JerJer yet i see feature.pm right where it is supposed to be
19:10 bobkare sounds like something about your perl or mojo install is broken
19:12 JerJer but i can do   perl -MMojo::Server::Hypnotoad   and it doesn't complain
19:12 JerJer this is RHEL 6.2    :(
19:12 tempire can you do -Mfeature ?
19:13 JerJer belive so
19:13 JerJer No features specified at - line 0
19:13 JerJer BEGIN failed--compilation aborted.
19:14 JerJer if I specifiy a full command line I get   "/path/to/myapp.pl" is not a valid application
19:14 JerJer in hypnotoad
19:15 JerJer yet i can do  ./script/myapp.pl daemon   and it works greak
19:15 JerJer -k +t
19:17 JerJer thus far i have been doing   screen ./script/myapp.pl daemon   -  but i'm sure one of the IT guys 'round here would take issue to that sort of production usage  :)
19:17 tempire version of mojolicious?
19:19 JerJer Perl        (v5.14.2, linux)    Mojolicious (2.49, Leaf Fluttering In Wind)   EV                       (4.11)
19:19 tempire ancient
19:19 tempire try upgrading
19:20 JerJer hmm - that's what the install command gave me not even a couple weeks ago… will try it again
19:22 JerJer curl warning…   error:14090086:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE:certificate verify failed
19:23 tempire cpanm Mojolicious
19:23 tempire or just like you install every other perl moduels
19:27 JerJer something is seriously broken either with RHEL's perl or those custom tweaks that have been done  :(    i smell a local perl installation
19:27 tempire ack!
19:27 tempire for sure, drop the system perl
19:27 tempire perlbrew all the way
19:28 JerJer is it 'sane' to install mojolicous inside of my app's lib directory ?    then i just need a sane, recent version of perl
19:33 JerJer ok - installed perlbrew…  now do I point my shabang line to ~/perl5/perlbrew ?
19:33 * JerJer reads docs
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20:19 tempire ugh
20:19 tempire this macbook pro I have
20:19 tempire is a whole year old
20:19 tempire I don't know if I can stand this non-retina screen.
20:20 * tempire can see pixels
20:21 * marcus has a man on the prowl in SF
20:21 marcus hopefully I will have a new MBP by next week
20:33 tempire norway always has the coolest things
20:35 tempire yapc live streaming requires silverlight :s
20:40 tempire so, to be clear, we're keeping json pointers according to the latest spec, right?
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21:20 marcus tempire: we don't have siri in norwegian tho.
21:24 marcus seems like a good time to buy apple stock
21:28 JerJer ok - getting closer…    File "[my app]" did not return an application object.
21:28 JerJer hypnotoad
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22:36 sri tempire: that's still undecided
22:37 sri atm we do whatever the json pointer spec says until it's an rfc
22:39 sri i would like to have a decision for json pointers and i18n before the 3.0 release
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23:19 sri marcus: ios6 has rfc websockets?
23:19 kthakore sri: \o/
23:19 kthakore did you see?
23:19 * sri is busy catching up on apple news
23:19 kthakore ah
23:19 kthakore sorry
23:20 sri kthakore: what is that?
23:20 kthakore sri:  that websocket and job runner pilot that has a java component processing convergence of ceorrelation in a csv file
23:20 kthakore done
23:20 kthakore sri: see your msg
23:21 sri ah, neat
23:36 sri hmm, retina macbook is cool, but i don't want a 15" :o

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