Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #mojo, 2012-07-12

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10:25 diegok o/
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10:58 sri moin
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11:02 marcus moin
11:16 sri oh, we are now one watcher ahead of ack :D
11:17 diegok ack ack ack
11:17 diegok :)
11:18 sri \o\
11:18 sri /o/
11:24 * marcus goes to watch ack
11:25 marcus now we're both at 707!
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11:54 sri :O
12:25 * marty just spent a few hours tracking down some mongodb plugin errors before he realized there were breaking changes between version 1.07 and 1.12.  errrrg
12:33 marty hmm, gwan does not run on osx.  Any suggestions on a small server to pair with Mojolicious for static files?
12:33 sri lol, you're seriously using gwan?
12:35 marty Just for testing.   Definitely not for production.  :)
12:35 marty I'm not sure what I'll choose for production.
12:36 sri that thing looks about as trustworthy as the mail i just received from the nigerian royal family
12:37 sri just use nginx
12:37 marty hehehe.   It actually worked ok for testing on my linux box.  Easy to setup and served files fine.
12:37 marty ok.
12:38 marty Am I correct that the best way to instal it is via homebrew?
12:40 sri it's very easy at least
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12:48 * marty is soooo happy he found --use-gcc for homebrew
12:50 sri hmmmm
12:51 * sri wonders if !!1 and !!0 are detectable by IV, NV and PV values
13:06 * nic had assumed gwan was a spoof project
13:06 nic the website certainly gave me that impression
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13:29 marty wow.  I must be getting --really-- old.   I didn't pick up on the subtleties   (and still don't) of why gwan would be suspect.
13:29 marty Looks like a pretty website to me.  :)
13:33 sri marty: http://gwan.ch/faq#license # <- that FUD should have been a hint ;p
13:33 crab what does "exige" mean?
13:35 marty ya, that's pretty weird.  Obviously, 'exige' is french for &*^%$#@  :)
13:36 crab their "source code insurance" scheme is batshit insane. "we'll give you an encrypted tarball and if the company goes out of business, we'll give you the key". yeah, right.
13:36 sri ye, lol
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13:37 sri i think the website used to be even worse, with more cheap shots at open source projects
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13:38 crab the "fly 360,000x higher" is a bit amusing too
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13:54 marcus FUCK LWP
13:54 marcus fuck it with a shovel.
13:54 marcus there's no fucking way to debug it
13:55 * marcus has been spending quite som time agonizing over why the catalyst facebook credential is so broken.
13:55 marcus some
13:56 jnap because FB keeps changing its API and is so big we don't' complain in a way that matters
13:57 marcus jnap: my oauth2 credential for mojo still works fine tho. I wouldn't mind it being broken, if there was a way to debug lwp.
13:58 jnap last time I ended up sticking a proxy in between and dumped the traffic to figure it oout
13:58 jnap but who knows there might be a debug flag or ENV setting or something
13:59 marcus LWP::Debug is deprecated apperently
13:59 marcus apparently.
13:59 marcus I've not figured out how to stick mitmproxy in the middle yet
14:04 marcus wow, I managed
14:04 marcus PERL_LWP_ENV_PROXY=1 HTTPS_PROXY='http://localhost:8080/'
14:05 marcus "message": "Code was invalid or expired. This may be because the user logged out or may be due to a system error.",
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14:06 marty does safari have a developers console similar to firebug or the one built into chrome?
14:07 sri i think chrome and safari share the same webkit dev tools
14:08 sri you have to enable the developer menu somewhere though
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14:08 marty ok.  thank you
14:08 sri preferences/advanced/developer menu or so
14:09 marty yep that was it.   sri++
14:09 sri \o/
14:09 * sri likes safari 6 in mountain lion
14:09 marty I now have an "almost" working development environment on my new mac.  weeeeee
14:09 sri the new progress bar makes it look sooo fast :)
14:10 * marty chants  Mojolicous full stack.  :)
14:10 marty Ya, safari seems to work quite well
14:10 sri safari 6 finally has websockets
14:11 marty Ahh, I'm still using 5.1.6  :(
14:11 * sri just installed the gm release of mountain lion
14:12 marty Is it worth the upgrade?
14:12 sri yes
14:12 marty oh wait.  I get it free.  :)
14:13 * marty has never done an upgrade on a mac.   It's all new and scary
14:13 sri it's only small improvements, but they add up
14:13 sri with a new mac it is very very easy
14:13 sri on my old macbook i had to disable filevault before i could upgrade :S
14:13 * marcus has been implementing retina icons for iusethis today.
14:14 marty that's good news.  so even I can't screw it up.  (unless I really try)
14:14 sri EV actually compiles with the latest clang
14:14 sri inf act, everything seems to compile with clang now
14:15 sri rebuilt my whole perl stack with it
14:15 marty I was not able to get mysql or nginx to couple unless I used --use-gcc  :(
14:15 marty s/couple/compile/
14:15 sri this is clang 4.0
14:15 * sri had problems with the old one too
14:16 marty ahh ya.  I am on 3.1
14:16 marty zoo many new things to learn.   kinda overwhelming
14:17 marty s/zoo/so/
14:19 marcus welcome to the mac
14:20 marty Thank you, marcus.   I'm liking it so far.
14:23 sri looks like port reuse works well coress platform \o/ http://www.cpantesters.org/distro​/M/Mojolicious.html#Mojolicious-3.06
14:23 sri *cross
14:24 sri now stop finding bugs!
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15:26 GitHub176 [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/qUFBHg
15:26 GitHub176 [mojo/master] fixed small bug in Mojolicious::Plugin::EPRenderer that prevented code to be added to all templates - Sebastian Riedel
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15:44 sri hmm
15:45 sri wonder if that behavior is actually desirable
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16:19 GitHub156 [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/N4EbpQ
16:19 GitHub156 [mojo/master] more template tests and documentation - Sebastian Riedel
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16:22 sri still not sure if it's a good idea, but at least it's consistent
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18:21 GitHub104 [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/XuQ-_A
18:21 GitHub104 [mojo/master] changed prepend semantics a little and improved tests - Sebastian Riedel
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18:22 sri i guess initializing a few additional variables might be a useful hack
18:23 sri on the other hand, it could be done with defaults too... hmmmm
18:24 sri maybe profiling code
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20:07 marcus hmm, gremlin seems pretty radical
20:08 * marcus loads up the iusethis db into a neo4j graph
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20:35 GitHub65 [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/V8GBhw
20:35 GitHub65 [mojo/master] fixed small bug in Mojolicious::Plugin::JSONConfig that prevented code to be added to config files - Sebastian Riedel
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20:38 sri moar consistency
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20:52 sri marcus: retina sparrow :)
20:52 marcus where???
20:52 marcus ooooh
20:52 * marcus so happy now
20:53 sri ooh, and mountain lion notifications :o
20:53 marcus :o
20:54 marcus I have that!
20:54 marcus it's not in the changelog tho
20:54 marcus finally. That looks soo much better
20:54 sri just got my first notification :)
20:54 marcus so tired of watching those blurry mails
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21:32 sri hmm
21:33 sri now that commands are so intergrated into mojolicious we could theoretically share the renderer with generators
21:33 sri and in turn allow the use of helpers in generator commands
21:34 sri like tag helpers and app specific renderers... tt2, xslate...
21:36 sri same could work for preprocessing config files
21:36 sri (jsonconfig)
21:38 marty arrgg.  I can't seem to get perltidy to work with sty on osx.    did anyone else have issues?
21:38 marty sty=st2
21:38 sri no issues whatsoever
21:38 marty damn you!
21:39 marty At least make me feel better and say it was kinda hard.   :)
21:39 sri just used the full perlbrew path and -q
21:39 sri "/lalala/perlbrew/lalala/bin/perlbrew -q"
21:40 marty are you mapping ctrl+t as the hotkey?
21:40 sri don't remember, tried multiple
21:40 sri (they all worked)
21:41 sri what bugged me was the buffer position reset :/
21:43 marty Has that been fixed yet?  It bugs me also.
21:45 marty I'm really tweaking my spaces.  very kewl stuff it is.   I've got cut and paste for middle mouse button working and switching spaces from mouse rocker switch.  fast and fun.   :)
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22:10 marcus worked fine for me too, but it bugs me
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22:39 GitHub181 [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/mAHSBg
22:39 GitHub181 [mojo/master] added MOJO_TEMPLATE_DEBUG environment variable - Sebastian Riedel
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22:42 sri MOJO_TEMPLATE_DEBUG=1 perl -Mojo -E 'a({inline => "<%= 1 + 1 %>"})->start' get /
22:42 sri not sure yet if it stays
22:43 sri maybe too verbose to be useful
22:48 sri MOJO_TEMPLATE_DEBUG=1 mojo generate lite_app
22:48 sri that looks more useful

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