Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #mojo, 2012-07-13

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00:19 GitHub67 [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/tZzA2g
00:19 GitHub67 [mojo/master] improved template error messages for generator commands and config files - Sebastian Riedel
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08:24 angelsaint доброго времени суток!
08:25 angelsaint ребят, подскажите, а как установить этот фреймворк?
08:25 angelsaint http://perl5doc.ru/cpan/Mojolicious::Lite тут описано уже его использование. а про установку что-то не могу найти (
08:36 Vandal http://mojolicio.us/
08:36 pau4o angelsaint: curl get.mojolicio.us | sh
08:38 angelsaint благодарю
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09:14 marcus nu chego eta
09:14 marcus eta ne #mojo.ru
09:18 Vandal i cho blya?:)
09:39 batman marcus++
09:40 marcus Vandal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_mDTLphIVY :p
09:41 marcus (SCNR)
09:41 Vandal :)
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11:34 sri no russian in this channel please
12:05 * sri still wonders if MOJO_TEMPLATE_DEBUG=1 should stay
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12:53 sri on the one hand i like making code generation more transparent with MOJO_BASE_DEBUG and MOJO_TEMPLATE_DEBUG, on the other it might give a bad impression if used wrong, hmm
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13:25 sri https://metacpan.org/module/M​ojolicious::Plugin::AutoRoute # interesting hack
13:27 stephan48 jup
13:28 stephan48 could take some features at 1 or 2 edges but looks already interesting
13:28 marcus puglin!
13:30 sri drain bamage?
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15:48 * tempire likes the idea of transparency, but doesn't get the usefulness of MOJO_TEMPLATE_DEBUG
15:49 sri tempire: allows you to see what more advanced perl cosntructs get compiled to
15:49 sri closures, blocks, nested loops
15:49 sri begin/end
15:49 sri at least that's the idea
15:50 sri maybe get some mojolicious core optimizations out of it
15:50 sri i'm always looking for ways to optimize templates
15:51 sri getting rid of some of the stash/helper boilerplate would be great
15:51 tempire sounds reasonable
15:51 tempire POWER USAGE
15:52 sri yea, it's exclusively for the advanced users/developers
15:52 sri MOJO_USERAGENT_DEBUG is more user friendly, that's what scares me a little
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15:55 tempire MOJO_USERAGENT_DEBUG is the best part of mojo::useragent
15:58 sri hmm, i think my problem is that a diagnostics tool for us has become a general purpose development tool
15:58 sri MOJO_TEMPLATE_DEBUG is more diagnostics for us again
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16:00 GitHub5 [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/odj8Bg
16:00 GitHub5 [mojo/master] fixed small Mojo::Template bug - Sebastian Riedel
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16:05 sri not much different from "MOJO_BASE_DEBUG=1 mojo get /"
16:06 sri not sure when that env var has been used the last time though... could have been years
16:07 tempire I can see the MOJO_BASE_DEBUG being useful
16:07 tempire same as the template debug
16:08 tempire MOJO_USERAGENT_DEBUG may have been meant as a diagnostics tool, but out-of-band reporting is a very important feature
16:09 tempire in any app, but especially protocol stuff
16:09 sri agree completely
16:10 sri just feels weird to have them all in the same category... maybe i'm overthinking this :)
16:11 tempire I don't see another way besides an environment variable
16:11 tempire you could make another type of var, but I think it would be worse
16:12 tempire I don't mind having env vars all over the place.  never saw the aversion to it
16:12 tempire they're just so useful
16:15 sri i think only marcus was worried about too many env vars, but he seems to have changed his stance since
16:16 tempire ENV ALL THE VARS!
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16:19 marcus sri: I was never worried about too many env vars, only about things that naturally fit as switches being ENVs. I fully support *_DEBUG.
16:19 sri \o/
16:21 marcus maybe MOJO_EVERYTHING_DEBUG to turn on full trace?
16:21 marcus MOJO_TRACE=1
16:22 sri haha
16:23 sri "MOJO_IOLOOP_DEBUG=1 MOJO_USERAGENT_DEBUG=1 MOJO_DAEMON_DEBUG=1 MOJO_BASE_DEBUG=1 MOJO_TEMPLATE_DEBUG=1 MOJO_EVENTEMITTER_DEBUG=1 ./script/mojo test -v t/mojolicious/lite_app.t"
16:23 sri ;p
16:24 tinx MOJO_DEBUG=useragent,daemon,base
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16:29 marcus sri: NEEDS MORE VERBOSE
16:29 sri MOAR
16:30 marcus MOAR
16:35 tempire marcus: mojo talk for yapc::eu?
16:35 marcus tempire: not going.
16:35 tempire boo
16:35 marcus tempire: Had to prioritize the Moose hackathon.
16:35 tempire someone should do a talk on something more interesting than an introduction.
16:36 marcus I have a very limited away-from-family ratio this year due to $newborn
16:37 sri tempire: i'm about to review slides for an authentication with mojolicious talk for someone
16:38 marcus \o/
16:45 diegok MOJO_TRACE++ :)
16:46 * sri bonks diegok on the noggin
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20:19 GitHub110 [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/Dy57vg
20:19 GitHub110 [mojo/master] better diagnostics information - Sebastian Riedel
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21:44 GitHub92 [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/BqXVtg
21:44 GitHub92 [mojo/master] show emitted events more consistently - Sebastian Riedel
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