Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #mojo, 2012-08-24

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00:41 kthakore sri: guess what :D
00:41 kthakore mobile iphone/android app getting deployed. Server is in MOjolicious :D
00:42 kthakore pretty graphs of me hitting server http://imgur.com/a/cD0RN#0
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01:14 sri \o/
01:18 plicease is there a way to get an arbitrary file out of DATA (either file or template)?
01:18 plicease this is what the tt plugin is trying to do.  (i am not saying it should)
01:19 sri Mojo::Loader->data?
01:19 plicease i can call that as a class method?
01:19 sri no
01:20 sri http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Mojo/Loader#data
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02:29 sri plicease: https://github.com/abh/mojox-rende​rer-tt/blob/master/lib/Mojolicious​/Plugin/TtRenderer/Engine.pm#L179
02:30 sri that doesn't look like a good idea
02:30 sri why would $options ever not be available?
02:39 sri half of that code should not be necessary
02:43 sri or is that for TT features like INCLUDE?
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02:59 plicease yes
03:01 plicease i'
03:02 plicease i'm just trying to replicate the old behavior (and pass the existing tests).  If there is a better way to get the files from DATA i am open to it.
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07:54 espent how can I send %2F with Mojo::UserAgent?
07:55 espent It seems like its rewriting it back to a slash
07:57 marcus espent: with great care.
07:58 marcus espent: pretty sure judofyr is doing it in the dimu source code.
07:58 espent marcus: all right, I'll dig into it
08:02 marcus espent:     push $url->path->parts,  map { url_escape($_) } @$endpoint;
08:10 crab %2f in the path? really?
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08:15 marcus crab: yes. they have horrible identifiers.
08:19 * crab shudders
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08:47 Nom- Hey guys... Just been checking out mojolicious and it looks great... one thing i'm chasing though is bundling of CSS and JS files (ie. Combining them into a hashed file to allow max-age caching in browsers)
08:48 Nom- Is there an existing plugin for handling that which anyone can suggest?
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08:58 nic I haven't spotted such a plugin; I append version numbers to the asset name
08:58 nic which possibly works better in the case there are more than a couple of assets
08:59 nic (cos the user only fetches the ones that have been upgraded)
09:01 Kwa nic: How'd you mean? Literally rename them every time you update them (main.[0..100].css)?
09:02 nic well, I don't do it manually, but essentially, yes
09:03 omega MojoX::Log::Log4perl fails it tests for me: https://gist.github.com/f1d0c0be8b677bca4fbc
09:03 nic REWRITE ALL THE THINGS
09:04 Kwa nic: Interesting. So you just have aggressive caching set via the webserver for static files?
09:04 nic for the assets, yes
09:05 nic Some people will have complex js that refers to asset names, so need the names to be constant, but I don't think the hash solution would help them either
09:10 crab maybe try require.js
09:23 Nom- Yeah, except the point of bundling those resources is to reduce browser round trips as well
09:23 Nom- Aggressive caching only helps on subsequent loads :(
09:24 Nom- Shall have to do some more research tonight and see if I can find anything
09:27 nic Nom-: crab's suggestion works for bundling js -- see the 'optimizer' option
09:30 Nom- Yes, it still needs to execute in a Javascript environment :)
09:31 Nom- Which means I have to run either Node.js or have some other script set up to fire up an environment and do the bundling
09:32 nic I'm failing to see the problem there
09:32 Nom- It's not entirely out of the question... add it to the build / deployment process and all that
09:32 Nom- *ponders*
09:47 Kwa Is this a case of early optimisation, or can you realistically see it being a problem as part of your deployment?
09:48 Kwa (morbo doesn't seem to be reloading my templates, any suggestions to figure out why it's happening?)
09:49 crab do your templates live somewhere it isn't watching?
09:50 Kwa I generated a mojo app, so I'm working from the templates directory it created.
09:51 crab how do you know it isn't reloading the templates?
09:52 Kwa Only visually from reloading the page I'm working on after updating the template. I've not debugged further than that because I'm not really sure how.
09:52 Kwa It's probably me, but it's not jumping out as to why.
09:53 crab kwa: change the template and look at the morbo log output, see if it does the restart thing
09:53 purl crab: that doesn't look right
09:53 crab !@(*&#!
09:53 crab kwa: if it doesn't, maybe strace it and see what files it's stat()ing
09:55 pau4o Kwa: run morbo --verbose
09:58 Kwa Ah, I've got it, it was my fault. I executed my app using morbo from the ./script directory, rather than the apps root folder.
09:58 Kwa Apologies. :/
10:00 Kwa It's weird because it loaded it properly, and rendered the templates as expected, just didn't reload them. Is that a bug, or just me being a spoon?
10:06 crab kwa: things are set up to expect being run from the root
10:06 Kwa crab: fair enough, cheers :)
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10:12 bbb hi all
10:15 bbb is there a way to put a listener on one controller session to know when it expires ?
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12:42 nicolasbd it's working now .. thank you
12:42 nic \o/
12:43 nicolasbd dumb again, I didn't get I had to "SET" the var before launching the script .. didn't even think it was that easy
12:43 * nicolasbd learned something today !
13:05 sri as tempire would say... LEARN ALL THE THINGS!
13:07 Kwa :)
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14:04 nic ilyuhan: For me it works with a textual prefix but not numeric
14:05 nic eg it works for "under 'app';" but not for "under '1.4';"
14:06 sri erl -Mojo -E 'under("/1.4")->any("/1.5" => {text => "works!"}); a->start' get /1.4/1.5
14:06 sri *perl
14:06 sri or even
14:06 sri perl -Mojo -E 'under("/1.4"); any("/1.5" => {text => "works!"}); a->start' get /1.4/1.5
14:07 ilyuhan sri, it's more like:  perl -Mojo -E 'under "/1.4"; a("/hello" => {text => "works!"})->start' get /1.4/hello
14:07 ilyuhan Ah, right.
14:07 ilyuhan And "page not found" is displayed.
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14:08 sri umm
14:08 sri perl -Mojo -E 'under("/1.4"); any("/hello" => {text => "works!"}); app->start' get /1.4/hello
14:08 sri works perfectly
14:08 nic I've changed my test script s/1.4/app/g and it works again
14:09 ilyuhan Ah... Probably I should just update Mojolicious - I have a very old version :)
14:09 sri ...
14:09 ilyuhan Sorry.
14:09 ilyuhan Yes, it's working now.
14:09 ilyuhan Thanks :)
14:11 sri i think pre 3.0 that kinda stuff was very broken
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14:27 good_news_everyone [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/fdeNXg
14:27 good_news_everyone [mojo/master] do not link to Mojolicious::Sessions from Mojolicious::Controller - Sebastian Riedel
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14:52 marcus sri: my research has shown that we've missed a very important simpsons quote from our codebase - 'I didnt think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows.'
14:52 marcus -- Bart
14:53 sri that's unacceptable
14:55 mikegrb that both sucks and blows
15:04 sri marcus: actually, that quote is already present in a test
15:12 judofyr sri: where?
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15:12 vervain git grep blows ;-)
15:13 vervain t/mojolicious/templates/layouts/default.html.epl
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15:13 judofyr stupid Ack, doesn't include .epl files
15:14 judofyr I wish Ack was smarter in selecting files to search in
15:14 vervain ~/.ackrc
15:14 vervain e.g.
15:14 judofyr still a hassle to add file extensions :/
15:14 vervain http://pastebin.com/Mq3MdEVN
15:15 vervain This one is better... it actually finds the quote ;-) http://flaggmgmt.com/icpas/
15:16 judofyr vervain: ehm?
15:16 purl i guess ehm is Bucciarati's assumption correct, that each and every request to catalyst passes trough Controller/Root#auto ?
15:16 judofyr Midwest Accounting & Finance Showcase?
15:16 vervain Herm... no idea what happened there... http://pastebin.com/sqXJ8bAZ
15:17 judofyr at least it wasn't gay porn :)
15:17 vervain LOL
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15:20 good_news_everyone [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/YxYfhg
15:20 good_news_everyone [mojo/master] rescued a few quotes - Sebastian Riedel
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15:20 sri templates and static files really shouldn't contain quotes
15:23 judofyr no, that would be unprofessional
15:26 * sri nods
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15:27 good_news_everyone [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/3LFTXA
15:27 good_news_everyone [mojo/master] rescued two more quotes - Sebastian Riedel
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15:28 sri every now and then someone pops up to complain how unprofessional those quotes are
15:31 sri and every time i can't help but think... damn, that guy must be a blast to work with!
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15:44 nic Someone has stuck a sign on the outside of this office door that's like a road sign signifying 'no unicorns'
15:44 crab sri: really? do they send you private mail, or what?
15:44 nic I was going to post a photo, but figured it might upset people
15:44 sri crab: twitter, mail, here on irc
15:45 crab strange
15:45 sri crab: just a few hours ago there was one on twitter
15:45 crab we need more offensive quotes
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15:45 sri that spiros guy from a few days ago
15:47 sri i usually just remind them that it's a perl tradition
15:47 sri perl itself is full of LotR quotes after all
15:48 sri so all of perl is unprofessional :)
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16:07 bjoernfan I'm not arguing you should remove the quotes, but I always feel cheated when I think I'm about to read a good comment about the code, but it's something completely unrelated instead.
16:07 * bjoernfan shrugs
16:10 crab yes, it's easy to overdo and overdose on
16:12 bjoernfan I love Futurama as much as you guys, but no, I would not include those quotes. On the other hand, I do love the dino. :)
16:15 sri if a comment starts with # " it's a quote
16:15 nic yeah, I appreciate how they're all formatted consistently
16:16 sri i don't get how they can distract people even though they are so easily spotted
16:18 Kwa I find them a pleasant break from relevant comments/code. (Probably because I understand them more...)
16:19 crab sri: it's just a matter of different tastes
16:20 crab for example, personally i would sprinkle a few quotes in unexpected places so that people (including myself) would encounter them at random times while doing other things.
16:20 crab on the other hand, obviously i don't have much of a problem with seeing one in every file either.
16:21 crab even though it's not something i would do except in a context where it was expected, e.g. mojo or perl.
16:23 crab but some people will hate them no matter what.
16:24 sri some men just want to watch the world burn
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18:45 sri looks like we'll have to find a replacement for $foo ~~ [...]
18:46 avenj did smart-match behavior change?
18:46 sri jamadam uses grep { $_ eq $foo } qw(a b c) in the backport, i kinda like it
18:46 avenj grep is certainly less Weird
18:46 sri smartmatch will change in 5.18
18:46 avenj oh :|
18:47 sri entirely new table
18:47 avenj lovely
18:47 sri i was angry at first, but following the discussion it became clear that it has to change
18:48 sri sucks that it might be years before we can use it in production code, but junctions will be great
18:55 krism hi sri, sorry to keep on about this but i am still having issues wrt falling back to included exception templates. http://pastebin.com/6JCS5SBH is a demonstration test, is there anything obvious i am doing wrong there?
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18:56 krism if not, i will forward to graham
18:56 krism (using latest mojolicious and ttrenderer plugin, fails on the content_isnt)
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19:00 sri krism: no clue
19:00 krism okay, i'll talk to graham and see what he thinks :) thanks for looking
19:14 mikegrb sri: yeah, that's about the only thing I used smart match for
19:20 sri i also use smartmatch instead of eq when the value can be undef :)
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19:44 henq is "ladder" sill supported?
19:47 sri no
19:47 sri see "under"
19:48 henq ahh!  thx;
19:49 sri yw;
19:50 * sri now wonders if that !thx; was a negation :o
19:58 henq +=thx , then
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20:03 nic I have links to '#' in my page, but clicking them gives me an exception that '/app/%23' can't be found
20:04 nic nm, found where I'm being stupid
20:04 purl somebody said being stupid was such a pain in the ass
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20:11 sri botsnack!
20:11 purl thanks sri :)
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21:10 marcus ooh chromatic blogpost, guess we're modern now :)
21:10 sri \o/
21:12 marcus sri: it should be fine to test a non-mojolicious webapp with Test::Mojo right?
21:12 sri with absolute urls of course
21:13 sri you just have to run a server somehow
21:13 marcus yeah
21:13 marcus what I figured
21:13 sri or you mock a Mojo::UserAgent :)
21:14 sri $t->ua(Mock::UserAgent->new)
21:15 marcus mm
21:16 sri mock user agent generating a psgi environment shouldn't be that hard... if you ignore the websocket parts
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21:20 marcus well, they might as well :p
21:21 marcus seems like the easiest way to test catalyst & co
21:21 marcus or even the shiny happy dancers :)
21:21 sri most of it might actually already be written, in that crazy plugin jamadam wrote for plack middleware
21:21 marcus https://www.jacktrk.com/c/redirect/262/340/ # this is so awesome
21:21 marcus kottke++
21:21 marcus oi no
21:21 marcus don't click that
21:21 marcus bad url
21:22 sri :O
21:22 marcus http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2012/08/this-is-wh​at-happens-when-a-squid-listens-to-cypress-hill/
21:22 marcus *this* is awesome
21:22 marcus the other one is some crap crucially tweeted
21:23 sri not available in your country :(
21:23 marcus wat
21:23 marcus it works in norway
21:23 sri fu GEMA!
21:23 marcus guess they don't want you to listen to cypress hill
21:23 sri german MAFIAA be crazy
21:24 marcus squids be rockin' tho
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23:12 krism sri, it seems to me that renderer plugins should not die if they cannot find the specified file.if they die, all of the Controller::_fallbacks logic ends up being skipped
23:13 krism sri, it seems to me that they need to return false on error
23:13 sri krism: that's what the recipe in the documentation says
23:13 krism okay good :)
23:13 krism then the recent changes to the ttrenderer plugin are just plain wrong :(
23:14 krism i will submit a patch and see what he says
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23:21 sri i suppose the 404 fallbacks never really worked with TT
23:22 sri if all tests pass it can't have a unit test
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23:56 good_news_everyone [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/AezKrA
23:56 good_news_everyone [mojo/master] documentation tweaks - Sebastian Riedel
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