Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

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05:42 garu rwstauner: oh wait, you're co-maint now? If so, just release it, nevermind what I said on twitter :)
05:42 garu otherwise just let me know via pull-req or anything
05:43 rwstauner ok, i'd be glad to release it, thanks
05:43 rwstauner is there a canonical github repo?
05:43 rwstauner vti's?
05:43 purl vti's is the best, but they all lack a certain flair
05:43 rwstauner purl: good answer
05:43 purl i think good answer is "up your nose, with a rubber hose!"
05:43 garu purl++
05:44 rwstauner :-)
05:44 garu rwstauner: the current version is sync'd to mine and vti's I think
05:44 garu let me check
05:45 garu rwstauner: nope. purl is right (as usual). vti's is the current version
05:45 rwstauner ok
05:45 * garu goes to delete his own branch
05:46 garu rwstauner: I have rw access to vti's branch, so feel free to send a pull request there
05:47 rwstauner ok
05:48 garu rwstauner: you're randy stauner, right?
05:48 rwstauner indeed
05:49 garu (just making sure, I'm back from a bachelor's party and not exactly sober right now :)
05:49 rwstauner np :-)
05:50 garu brilliant. I'm also not sure why my $VERSION was the same from marcus'. Probably an oversight on my account, the previous release was a bit rushed, sorry
05:52 rwstauner np, forked from vti instead of marcus
05:52 rwstauner although i probably wouldn't have renamed the dist
05:52 rwstauner oh well
05:52 rwstauner no big deal
05:52 purl Yes it is!  I hate you I hate you
05:52 rwstauner now that's not very nice
05:54 rwstauner makes me miss dist-zilla, though
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06:26 marcus rwstauner: mojox is deprecated
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06:28 niczero "we are in mid September here in the northern hemisphere"
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06:29 crab what about elsewhere?
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07:25 tempire mojox is no longer recommended by the world health organization
07:30 marcus tempire: mojox has ben deposed by the revolution.
07:30 marcus been even
07:32 * marcus starts photoshopping mojox out of screenshots.
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07:43 Adura When does Mojo become Mojoy?
07:51 crab i'd like some mo' joy
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08:04 crab this listdeps command is nice, but it lists modules that are included in my app, which is silly
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08:17 good_news_everyone [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/VQLsFQ
08:17 good_news_everyone [mojo/master] improved Hypnotoad to clean up old PID files (closes #383) - Sebastian Riedel
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08:19 sri o/
08:20 crab e+
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09:03 good_news_everyone [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/dDZAjw
09:03 good_news_everyone [mojo/master] moved PID file cleanup to hot deploy check (fixes #383) - Sebastian Riedel
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10:48 rhaen :)
10:52 batman http://thorsen.pm/perl/2012/09​/15/mojo-dotcloud-deploy.html <-- what do you think?
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10:58 batman ah! got to get some lunch *bbl*
10:59 sri batman++
11:00 lost_and_unfound greetings all, When I try to POST get a undefined in my render, when I access it via GET i get the correct rendered text. Can anyone give some insight why this is happening ? http://pastebin.com/1f2JiLgN
11:01 diegok sri: you mean this -> https://gist.github.com/3727350
11:01 diegok ?
11:02 sri diegok: i had no specific implementation in mind
11:03 crab lost_and_unfound:something else is going on
11:03 diegok like marcus said... its trivial, but I can add some tests/docs and upload if you think will help someone :)
11:03 lost_and_unfound crab, best way to troubleshoot ?
11:03 diegok lost_and_unfound: write a small test
11:04 diegok lost_and_unfound: or try to write something that has this problem that you can show :)
11:07 diegok lost_and_unfound: I'm pretty sure get/post works :)
11:08 lost_and_unfound diegok: ok, will do, also just did a ngrep dump of the post and according to the webserver it appears to send back the required text... http://pastebin.com/CerwVBj2 going to dig a bit and see what i can find...
11:08 diegok lost_and_unfound: nice. That's why a real test is a much better way to know if your app is doing well ;-)
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12:13 rhaen baton8: looks nice!
12:13 rhaen hmpf.
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12:39 crab hmpf to you too, rhaen
12:50 sri batman: GIVE ME SOMETHING TO RETWEET DAMMIT!
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12:51 * sri chains batman to the channel
12:52 batman hi :)
12:52 batman sorry for leaving. lost track of time...
12:52 sri see backlog!
12:52 batman yay! thanks sri :)
12:53 sri don't just blog and run, you have to tweet it too!
12:53 batman i thought i did :(
12:53 batman i'm really a twitter n00b
12:53 sri practice more ;p
12:54 sri and mention websockets
12:54 batman yeah. i was thinking about it after the Mojo::IOLoop statement. will fix it now. then tweet :)
12:54 sri \o/
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13:01 rhaen sri: it's even in the wiki
13:01 diegok sri: https://metacpan.org/release/DIEG​OK/Mojolicious-Plugin-Resque-0.01 ;-)
13:01 rhaen sri: inside the deploy recipies
13:02 batman sri: https://gist.github.com/3727714 <-- what do you think?
13:02 sri /o\
13:02 batman no good?
13:03 rhaen what's /o\ ?
13:03 purl i heard /o\ was a handstand
13:03 rhaen ah!
13:03 batman oh. looks like the hands are on top of the head :)
13:03 batman still don't get it though...
13:03 rhaen batman: what purl says.
13:03 sri hands on my ears, because it got so loud in here :o
13:03 batman :)
13:04 rhaen *coughs*
13:04 batman rhaen: yeah, but it still didn't make any sense in the context (to me)
13:04 * rhaen shuts up for the next 6 month.
13:04 batman sri: i'm pushing the updated blog now
13:04 Netfeed always seen it as a double facepalm
13:04 sri batman: dunno, the 3 points sound a bit weird
13:04 batman oh?
13:05 sri "to...running proper websockets"
13:05 batman yeah. i removed the ..
13:05 batman https://gist.github.com/3727714 <--- like this
13:05 sri s/running proper websockets/use websockets/?
13:06 batman i changed it to * Serve proper websockets
13:06 sri s/websockets/WebSockets/
13:06 sri you don't serve websockets ;p
13:06 batman i changed it to * Serve proper WebSockets
13:06 batman oh.
13:06 batman i changed it to * Use proper WebSockets
13:06 batman :D
13:06 batman i changed it to * Use WebSockets
13:06 batman :P
13:06 sri what are improper WebSockets?
13:06 sri ;p
13:07 batman flash.
13:07 batman ;)
13:07 sri Oo
13:07 sri oO
13:07 batman https://twitter.com/kencochra​ne/status/246948847992066049
13:07 batman https://twitter.com/jhthorse​n/status/246925545806389248
13:07 batman i will tweet now
13:08 batman is it how to or howto?
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13:08 sri depends on context
13:09 sri diegok++
13:09 sri rhaen++
13:09 sri batman++
13:09 rhaen i++
13:09 rhaen hm.
13:09 rhaen sri++
13:09 diegok sri++ #for pushing me
13:09 batman i have no idea how to copy the url to a tweet from twitter.com
13:10 batman ah! found it now :)
13:10 rhaen hm, using copy and paste?
13:10 batman https://twitter.com/jhthorse​n/status/246958924429922304 <-- sri
13:10 batman rhaen: haven't seen the "details" link
13:10 sri should have tagged it with #websockets or so too ;p
13:11 batman really nice that @KenCochrane liked it
13:11 batman ...
13:11 batman *delete*
13:11 rhaen ok, retweeted, favorited, quoted and linked inside the wiki
13:11 sri ABORT ABORT ABORT!
13:11 rhaen hm.
13:11 * rhaen pressed Ctrl-C.
13:12 rhaen sri: what's up?
13:12 batman How to deploy #Mojolicious to @dotcloud http://thorsen.pm/perl/2012/09​/15/mojo-dotcloud-deploy.html … #LooksLikeIamNotMovingToHerokuAfterAll #WebSockets #MVC ?
13:12 sri mvc is a terrible tag xD
13:12 batman #frameworks?
13:12 rhaen hm.
13:12 batman #web
13:12 batman #perl :)
13:12 rhaen #perl ?
13:12 purl #perl is now out the other side of a wanker elimination cycle and is now a general social and high level tech channel (though newbie questions will be sent to #perl-help) or around 10x boring as it once was, and the brain suffers as a result >:) or #ruby-help
13:12 sri #perl is a good tag
13:12 batman ok. tweeting now. no way back
13:12 sri you should check the tags you use ;p
13:12 batman :)
13:12 batman don't care :P
13:13 rhaen I didn't know that tweeting and tags are being handled using github pull requests to sri :)
13:13 batman https://twitter.com/jhthorse​n/status/246959808589217792
13:13 batman ^ this.will.not.be.deleted.
13:13 sri batman: i can still see the previous tweet
13:13 batman sri: ok... it will be gone soon i think
13:13 batman it's not in my feed
13:14 batman takes some time to transport a tweet from norway to germany ;)
13:15 sri lazy birds
13:15 batman :D
13:22 rhaen avian carrier?
13:23 batman could be...
13:23 rhaen one of the better RFCS: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2549
13:24 rhaen problem in this RFC: it's referring to concorde.
13:32 lost_and_unfound diegok: I found the issue regarding the "undefined" error i got when submitting a post. I render using jQuery Mobile and the return error was based on invalid formed data the jQuery needed to parse. Thanks for your inputs previously
13:33 diegok lost_and_unfound :)
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15:07 rwstauner marcus: i understand the mojox is deprecated, but now we have a bit of a mess :-)  cpan doesn't like it when something has a version and then doesn't anymore
15:08 rwstauner is there a reason not to make the mojo-plugin the main one and make the mojox one a subclass for backcompat?
15:08 rwstauner (in the interest of avoiding future confusion such as this)
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15:45 good_news_everyone [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/rjImOg
15:45 good_news_everyone [mojo/master] improved Mojo::Transaction::HTTP performance slightly - Sebastian Riedel
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15:52 marcus rwstauner: it's probably not worth it, and it would be better to deindex the mojox one.
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15:53 marcus rwstauner: given that it's been broken for a while, I doubt there's a backcompat issue.
15:54 rwstauner i wouldn't say that as people often have old versions installed for a while, however mojo dists that old have long been back-panned so that makes it a bit more difficult as well :-)
15:55 rwstauner considering the current list of plugins out there (and since we've already had a rename) i am in favor of switching the dist name
15:59 rwstauner i did that few minutes ago in Makefile.PL and since then i've been building the dist and fixing issues (like adding things to MANIFEST.SKIP)
15:59 rwstauner boy do i miss dist-zilla
16:00 crab why do you miss dist-zilla?
16:02 rwstauner because if this dist was using dist-zilla it would have been released an hour ago
16:02 rwstauner eumm has too many manual steps
16:06 crab i see.
16:07 rwstauner dzil makes it much harder for me to create a dist that's borked
16:08 rwstauner i've already made half a dozen edits to the repo that dzil just does automatically so i never have to think about them
16:09 rwstauner mostly i'm just lazy and stupid, but dzil doesn't make me feel bad about... dzil likes me anyway
16:09 * rwstauner loves that big robot dinosaur
16:13 crab what sort of changes?
16:13 crab (i've never used dist-zilla, except as an end-user who wants to install a package, and has to install 1e6 dzil plugins)
16:14 rwstauner manually managing the $VERSION in all included modules (necessary now that both had them and cpan is currently confused)
16:14 rwstauner i added a test script to make sure that the versions are in sync
16:15 rwstauner after trying to get a tarball from EUMM i keep finding things i need to add to MANIFEST.SKIP
16:15 rwstauner and again to .gitignore
16:15 rwstauner i modified the load/compile test since it was only testing 1 module
16:16 rwstauner dzil gives me all those things for free
16:16 rwstauner not to mention a few dozen other nice features, dist checks, etc
16:20 trone I've a webapp that provide websocket, and I saw this Mojo::IOLoop->stream($self->t​x->connection)->timeout(300) to increase the inactivity timeout. Is it possibile keep alive the websocket indefinitely server-side?
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16:24 bizb hey guys
16:25 bizb looking to replace our custom mod_perl app with mojolicious
16:25 bizb but i need help wrapping my head around how I can transalate a mod_perl handler into mojolicious
16:25 bizb no templates in framework.  strickly render to json or xml
16:26 bizb I see I can have a custom handler (which is promising)
16:26 bizb also have the various hooks via "hook"
16:27 crab bizb: i can try to help, but it would help if you asked more specific questions
16:27 bizb ok
16:27 bizb i have a mod_perl framework
16:27 bizb for delivering data
16:28 bizb i want to decouple from mod_perl
16:28 bizb and move this framework inside of mojolicious
16:28 bizb i'm not trying to build a website
16:28 crab ok.
16:29 bizb so i'm more interested in hooks and internals than, "hey this is how build pages and routes in mojo"
16:29 bizb as I'll be doing custom stuff
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16:29 bizb I just want the decoupling and the power to get stuff done
16:30 bizb so in mod_perl, you create a handler that passed you a request
16:30 bizb and you're off
16:30 bizb (for the main handler)
16:30 bizb then you build a request and blah blah
16:30 bizb now a lot of this is abstracted which is awesome
16:30 crab yep.
16:31 bizb I will have a custom controller I figure that will do its own dispatching
16:31 bizb currently we return data then transform that data into xml or json
16:32 crab what will your custom dispatcher do?
16:41 crab test if client can gzip is based on Accept-Encoding: deflate?
16:41 crab urk
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18:22 Mad_Dud hi guys, i would like to include wiki-like element into a mojolikous application. could you give me any clue where to start? is cpan module? design scheme?
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18:38 buu Pretty sure there's a wikipedia clone built on mojo..
18:41 buu Mad_Dud: mojomojo
18:41 purl mojomojo is probably a catalyst powered wiki, powering dev.catalystframework.org. for more info, mojomojo.org or #mojomojo on this network or http://github.com/marcusramberg/mojomojo
18:41 buu oh
18:41 buu Boy that's confusing.
18:41 sri blame marcus ;p
18:41 Mad_Dud thanks. link is 404, but i will google it
18:53 trone I made a webapp with websocket. Client and server talk well, but after a bit of client inactivity server logs the websocket disconnect. I've seen that Is possibile to make Mojo::IOLoop->stream($self->t​x->connection)->timeout(300) to increase the inactivity timeout. Is it possibile keep alive indefinitely the server?
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19:03 xaka1 trone: pass 0 to disable timeout
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19:31 Stu Hi guys. I'm trying to write a little project using Mojo for the first time and I'm a little stuck with what I think is a fairly basic concept.
19:32 Stu I've got a couple of controllers (Artists, Tracks), and the way it currently works is that my app can receive a new track object (using DBIx::Class for DB stuff) that should be linked to an Artist
19:33 Stu The problem I encountered at first was where the Artist didn't exist in the database. In an attempt to be clever I decided to add a method called "get_or_create_artist" in my Artist module.
19:34 Stu With a bit of messing around I got this bit working. That is, until I tried to insert the new artist into the database, at which point I realised my helper is no longer available.
19:34 Stu Can anyone tell me how I should normally be interacting between controllers within my app to allow myself access to all the Mojo sexiness?
19:35 Stu I have searched a bit, and it seems someone else was asking the same question back in April, but received no reply: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fro​mgroups=#!searchin/mojolicious/call$20another$20controller$20action/mo​jolicious/Vj5LvxmnLE4/oFMaq2V2IhwJ
19:35 sri \o
19:36 sri he basically asked the wrong question
19:36 sri that kinda method just doesn't belong in the controller, you keep it with the model classes
19:37 Stu I see.
19:38 sri and the few that don't fit in the model layer become real helpers
19:38 sri http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Mojo​licious/Guides/Rendering#Helpers
19:39 sri http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Mojolici​ous/Guides/Rendering#Adding_helpers
19:39 Stu It did feel wrong when I was writing it
19:40 Stu I was suddenly having to write methods that returned data rather than rendered data, but I was sticking them in the same file. :|
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19:40 Stu At a basic level I guess I knew I was doing it wrong at that point.
19:40 sri yea, and depending on your routes they may even have been exposed to the outside workd
19:40 sri *world
19:41 sri a /:controller/:action route can reach any real method in any controller ;)
19:41 Stu I've avoided any :controller :action placeholders in my routes so far
19:42 sri that's good, they are mostly just for quick hacks
19:42 Stu I can see how they would save me typing so much in a few places, but I don't think I need them
19:45 diegok Stu: you should probably add that kind of methods to your Artist ResultSet class
19:46 diegok Stu: but not this method, as it already exists -> http://search.cpan.org/dist/DBIx-Class/li​b/DBIx/Class/ResultSet.pm#find_or_create
19:46 diegok :)
19:46 Stu I'm putting it in App::Schema::ResultSet::Artist as we speak
19:46 Stu That is helpful!
19:47 tempire diegok: spent any time with the dotcloud api?
19:47 diegok tempire: none :(
19:47 diegok tempire: should I?
19:47 tempire You indicated that you were going to, so I was asking.
19:47 sri websockets on dotcloud look pretty awesome
19:48 tempire That's the only thing that's preventing a one-step deploy command
19:48 diegok tempire: sure I was?... oh my!, need cafeine! :)
19:49 tempire oh wait, maybe it was davido
19:49 diegok :)
19:49 sri not batman?
19:49 sri umm...
19:49 sri WHY NOT BATMAN?
19:49 diegok KABOOOOOM!
19:49 tempire Whichever nick David Oswald is.
19:50 tempire so probably davido
19:50 tempire well regradless
19:50 sri why not zoidberg?
19:50 purl (V) (;,,;) (V)
19:50 tempire anyone who wants to take a look at the new python dotcloud cmd and figure out some of the new dotcloud api, that task is available.
19:51 * sri whistles and looks in a different direction
19:51 * diegok is not here
19:52 tempire if only python's rest library was sensible and had a MOJO_USERAGENT_DEBUG or RESTCLIENT_LOG
19:52 tempire but no.  it has to be bobo like LWP.
19:53 * tempire ISNT BITTER
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19:56 diegok tempire: http://search.cpan.org/~semuelf/HT​TP-Recorder-0.06/bin/httprecorder ?
19:56 memowe tempire: <3 for you. :)
19:57 * sri would just ngrep
19:57 tempire https
19:57 * sri would just cry
19:57 diegok :)
19:57 tempire marcus found a python tool for recording https at one point
19:57 tempire don't remember what it was
19:58 sri mitmproxy?
19:58 purl i think mitmproxy is so awesome
19:59 tempire I get angry when I see a python error message on the command line
19:59 tempire pip install gives an error message.
19:59 * tempire gives up
20:00 memowe tempire: <3 for you. :)
20:00 diegok yep, I've found installing python deps as the worst experience among perl/ruby/python...
20:00 diegok But I always thinks its just my python inexperience :-/
20:01 tempire it's always inexperience.  but still.  the effect is the same.  and I see them so often.
20:06 tempire ack1!
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20:06 tempire stackoverflow is offline for maintenance.
20:07 * tempire is lost
20:10 dpetrov_ use the google cache :P
20:11 marcus tempire: mitmproxy is in brew
20:11 marcus and it's pretty awesome.
20:11 marcus (agree, fuck pip)
20:11 marcus hmm, I'm wrong
20:11 marcus wonder how I managed to install it then
20:11 marcus :D
20:11 marcus sri: wtf btw? you picked mojo looong after I made mojomojo.
20:11 marcus sri: blaming me for the confusion isn't very fair.
20:12 tempire no mitmproxy found in homebrew
20:21 tempire can't install non-system python via brew either
20:21 tempire boo
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20:23 diegok "sudo pip install mitmproxy" has worked here...
20:24 tempire my python installation must be borked
20:24 diegok (now looking pythonbrew)
20:24 tempire apparently pythonz is the hip new pythonbrew
20:24 diegok :-/
20:25 diegok those guys don't know about naming?
20:25 diegok well... they use spaces as code... what can one ask from them !?
20:25 diegok :(
20:27 sri marcus: i wasn't serial
20:29 diegok well, pythonz has list command for available pythons... a big improvement over pythonbrew...
20:30 tempire it was probably inspired by perlbrew before perlbrew had that.
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20:34 sri new doctor who! \o/
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21:41 Stu I've hit a slightly complicated problem.
21:41 Stu I have tracks
21:41 Stu and those tracks can be linked to other tracks
21:41 Stu I'm using the TO_JSON method of my App::Schema::Result::Blah modules for rendering the responses
21:42 Stu but when two tracks are linked the response would have both tracks in it
21:42 Stu and each one of those responses would contain the other track again
21:42 Stu and so I would be in an infinite loop
21:43 Stu I'm wondering if there's any simple way to determine what level I'm at in the TO_JSON method.
21:45 Stu Ah crap. I just dumped $self from TO_JSON and my error_log is still growing.
22:00 tempire when dumping something to json, don't dump objects.  dump copied hashes.  for dbic, something like get_columns
22:05 Stu Isn't that kind of what the T_JSON support is for?
22:05 Stu http://grep.cpan.me/?q=TO_JSON+dist=Mojolicious
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22:27 diegok Stu: no
22:30 tempire Stu: $self->render_json({$dbic_​row_object->get_columns});
22:30 Stu Which will render everything I have in my table
22:30 Stu Whereas with TO_JSON being called I can choose what is rendered, and how.
22:30 Stu to a certain extent
22:33 Stu I've prevented the infinite loop by rendering the actual key value instead of the inflated object in the TO_JSON, but that's not really ideal because it'll require additional calls to get the information. :|
22:34 tempire hmm.  mitmproxy doesn't seem to want to capture traffic generated from a terminal, even with the ssl proxy settings set in the osx network panel.
22:34 * tempire wonders what he's missing
22:34 Stu Make sure you're not connected to a different host in your terminal ;)
22:39 tempire wat
22:40 tempire even evernote has a conference now
22:40 tempire 800 people attending.
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22:43 sri when's angry birds conf?
22:45 * sri guesses in the bay area you can find 1k people to sign up for just about any tech conf
22:49 tempire marcus: have you used mitmproxy to examine non-browser traffic?
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