Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #mojo, 2012-10-06

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02:06 * dross yawns
02:07 dross :V along on a friday night, pathetic
02:07 dross :)
02:10 * vervain has headphones on and is staring at the screen wishing he was alone.
02:10 * vervain chucks dross a beer. :-)
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02:35 buu MOJOING
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03:03 tempire friday nights lost meaning to me years ago.
03:03 tempire as did weekends
03:03 vervain Funny thing about being unemployed; weekends so seem quite so much ;-)
03:03 * tempire is always on vacation
03:03 vervain Oh... or should that be 'self-employed' :-)
03:04 tempire if you ate today, you're all good.
03:24 dross what is a weekend? >..
03:25 dross >.>
03:25 buu It's when I go to the museum!
03:25 * dross is prepping a portfolio for a company asking for his code this weekend
03:26 dross my code from years ago looks like shit, so does the web ui work, so I'm making more :3
03:27 buu Make lots and lots of code!
03:28 dross I need to finish my mojo mongodb based cms too :3
03:29 buu Yay more cms systems
03:29 buu Is this one special?
03:37 dross everything is kept in the database, not a single thing on the file system
03:37 dross except the initial config for the database, maybe.
03:37 dross I like keeping things in databases :3
03:39 dross buu: unfortunately all the "cms systems" out there are usually pieces of shit which just store pages
03:41 crab i like to keep unicorns in my cms
03:42 buu dross: So aside from pages what exactly do you store?
03:42 vervain raptors to keep the unicorn population under control
03:42 dross buu: I'm making polling, theme customize capability stored in the DB, book + export to pdf support, customizable forms :3
03:43 buu So you're reinventing E2?
03:43 buu =]
03:45 dross buu: this is for my portfolio :3
03:45 buu dross: If you can design a system that makes perlmonks less awful I'd love you foreve.
03:45 crab vervain: and those, yes
03:45 dross most people make stupid shopping wares, forums and irc bots
03:45 buu And cms
03:45 buu =o
03:45 buu IRC bots are awesome though
03:45 crab buu: is that "a really long time, but not quite foreveR"?
03:46 buu crab: Yes, yes it is.
03:46 purl oh no it isn't
03:46 dross buu: most people write shit software
03:46 dross with horrible UIs
03:46 buu Well, yeah.
03:50 vervain Sturgeon's Law
03:50 purl somebody said Sturgeon's Law was 90% of everything is crud. or http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon's_law
03:52 crab isn't crud what sturgeons eat?
03:56 dross also, that I'm using mojo+mongo so I can make an easy install for openshift ;)
03:56 dross need a cms, use openshift and this script, you're done
03:57 buu What is openshift?
03:57 buu And honestly we could use a really good perl forum
03:57 dross I'll make a good perl forum after my other stuff
03:58 dross buu: if I made a forum, the backend would be psql ;)
03:58 buu Why?
03:59 dross why not?
04:00 dross I plan on releasing the code under the BSD or perl license
04:02 dross I quite honestly don't give two flips about the GPL or any GPL software
04:05 buu *shrug*
04:05 buu I kind of like knowing that anyone who takes my code will have to give the source to anyone using their product
04:12 dross buu: right, because people always do what's right(not)
04:13 dross buu: in all end all, it really doesn't matter
04:13 dross your code will eventually become obsolete and deprecated, your work will fade, you will leave no mark
04:19 buu um
04:20 buu Say what you like about nazis, at least it's an ethos
04:20 buu Also people obeying rules or not, it at least indicates what your position is.
04:21 dross I honestly couldn't care
04:21 crab it indicates that your position is with the sanctimonious lot that believe non-gpl software and programmers are evil
04:21 dross buu: when I want to help the community, I'll get contract work as a constable and help the community.
04:22 crab constable?
04:22 dross buu: GPL software and the mentality which follows it is no better than people who are all about intellectual property
04:22 crab oh right, something that can be const-ed
04:22 dross I'm with the pirates in their mentality about "intellectual property," which isn't real
04:22 crab it's like a variable, but more well-behaved
04:23 dross contributing software and code doesn't equate to helping others for charity, only monetary gain
04:23 dross which is why I couldn't give a shit about gpl code or gpling anything
04:24 dross give it away, bsd/artistic license/public domain, if people use it,great
04:24 dross the GPL mentality is nothing but self serving, dont' like it, you're only lying to yourself
04:26 dross oddly most people don't want to believe they're replaceable and their work is replaceable
04:30 buu None of that made any sense
04:31 buu But clearly you feel very strongly about it
04:31 dross it makes perfect sense
04:31 dross the GPL mentality is idiotic
04:31 buu clearly
04:31 dross the above is opposite of what GPL mongers believe
04:31 buu not really, no
04:32 dross yes, really
04:32 buu I was trying to be polite but that was just some dumb shit
04:32 dross writing software isn't helping humanity
04:32 dross it's only self serving
04:33 dross want to help, there's EMS/firestations/volunteer deputy
04:36 dross I should make a writeup and post it to slashdot, watch all the autistic retards rage
04:40 buu So writing a piece of code that makes firestations 25% more efficient is just self serving and helps no one
04:40 buu Good argument.
04:42 dross great, shows your ignorance
04:43 dross I've actually helped out with the IT and telecom for my local PD/FD/911 center
04:43 dross the FD uses no software, they're deployed, usually by megaphone or alarms, then told via radio where to go
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11:20 rhaen *uaaah* - back again
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19:18 davido Doesn't sound like a protocol that would scale well.
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20:12 sri https://github.com/kraih/mojo/issues/392 # don't do this!
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20:24 sri presentation of the question was pretty awful... but the topic of ambiguous ampersand was interesting and it may have helped someone else in the future
20:32 Adura Don't do del.
20:32 Adura Dude, you're getting a del.
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