Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #mojo, 2012-12-08

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12:34 mjy what's the preferred way to generate FORMs with default values etc. nowdays? plain Mojo::Template seems adequate due to escaping (for value="..."), what do other people use?
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14:16 * sri still wants to abstract more code out of Mojo::UserAgent, ideas would be very welcome
14:21 sri not just moving stuff to Mojo::UserAgent::Transactor, perhaps a more generic connection pool management base class would make sense
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14:59 marcus http://kevinlawler.com/objective-c # Time for a Mojolicious port to Obj-c? :p
15:01 sri i think Go will win there
15:02 sri Go has self restarting dev servers already, dunno if that's at all possible with objectove-c compile times
15:04 sri apple doesn't get web... they will just mess it up
15:04 sri google is getting better at design faster than apple is getting better at web...
15:04 marcus sri: yeah, I've heard that meme.
15:05 marcus sri: how do go do self-restarting?
15:06 marcus I wonder why google keeps making these projects that are hopeless to search for
15:06 marcus google+, go
15:06 sri http://robfig.github.com/revel/img/Panic.png
15:06 sri don't know how exacty it's implemented in Revel, but it works http://robfig.github.com/revel/
15:07 sri apple needs to do something bold, like buy twitter
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17:19 mjy apple recently proposed a new module mechanism for c / objc to get around the absymal compile times etc.
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18:02 marcus sri: Maybe it would be useful to have a shared mojolicious twitter account among the core devs? It could announce the releases and retweet stuff like https://twitter.com/codemanc​er/status/277462244248395777
18:14 sri marcus: a) you know a good handle that's still free? b) how would that work?
18:16 sri afaik their multi user accounts are still in private beta
18:18 sri i also wouldn't mind a shared blog
18:19 sri but i want something with proper user management
18:27 sri oh, actually you can share posterous blogs with multiple users
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18:43 sri but i guess these days a blog is not worth much anymore
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19:26 marcus sri: we could just share the password, that's what we do for @nordaaker for instance.
19:29 sri marcus: that does not seem risky to you?
19:30 marcus sri: well, I've never really trusted that sneaky rainbow-tooting american...
19:30 marcus :-D
19:31 sri marcus: i mean for nordaaker ;p
19:31 marcus sri: we're like 3 persons who share it, all employees.
19:31 marcus don't see it as risky
19:33 marcus @mojolicious seems to be inactive, might be worth asking if we could have it.
19:33 sri what if one of those 3 decides to quit and lock you out of @nordaaker?
19:34 marcus sri: I'd probably go to his house and talk to him?
19:35 marcus also, the loss of the twitter account would probably be a lesser concern.
19:36 sri hmm, i guess it's less of a problem if all are in the same jurisdiction
19:37 marcus well, we do have one guy on Gran Canaria now, but we don't let him post on twitter ;-)
19:38 sri xD
19:40 sri marcus, tempire, crab: what about the blog? if i turn it into the mojolicious blog instead of my personal one and invite you, would you post there?
19:42 sri seems easy enough with posterous, tumblr doesn't appear to have multi user support
19:42 sri http://twitter.com/mojolicious # hahaha, good luck!
19:43 marcus sri: I'd like to say yes, but marcus.nordaaker.com isn't really a great track record :D. I'd write to announce mojo.conf at least ;-)
19:43 marcus sri: don't think omar will give it up? :p
19:44 marcus Omer even
19:44 * tempire sneaks
19:44 tempire sri: blog or twitter account?
19:44 sri WHY NOT BOTH
19:45 marcus WHY NOT ZOIDBERG
19:46 tempire I'd be fine with the twitters, even if it was just an aggregator for all of our mojolicious-related tweets
19:46 tempire I'd want to post blog entries to my own blog, though
19:47 * marcus installs steam on his tv-mac.
19:47 tempire blog blog blog
19:47 marcus Maybe I should get my self the new mini for christmas...
19:47 tempire none of us have really been blogging lately
19:47 * marcus surfs apple.no
19:47 tempire "I have been working with Objective-C since the release of the iPhone App Store in 2008. In that time Objective-C has evolved from a clunky, boilerplate-heavy language, into a tight, efficient joy."
19:47 sri perhaps i'll just remove the blog link, considering my track record is not great anymore either
19:48 marcus sri: Planet Mojo? :)
19:48 tempire that's a bold statement.  I haven't used it since 2009.
19:48 tempire I like the idea of the twitter feed
19:48 tempire someone convince the guy
19:48 marcus tempire: ARC + literals + new accessors helps a lot.
19:48 sri marcus: who runs that? ;p
19:48 tempire just as long as it doesn't go to that self help woman
19:49 marcus sri: I can set it up on heroku.
19:49 marcus python is fine right? :D
19:49 sri :S
19:50 tempire huh
19:50 tempire when did they add literals?
19:51 marcus tempire: this spring.
19:51 tempire that's a big deal
19:51 marcus reducing @property from 3 lines to 1 is pretty good too.
19:53 marcus but I actually think effortless GC is the one that's made the most difference for me.
19:54 tempire that's not new, though, is it?
19:54 tempire They had that back in the day
19:54 marcus ARC?
19:54 marcus Well, they've had decent GC on the mac for a while, but on the iphone it was retain/release hell until last year
19:56 tempire Is there a blog aggregator service that looks pretty?
19:56 tempire Would be nice to have a listing of curated articles
19:56 tempire The blog link on mojolicio.us could point to that
20:01 tempire maybe even just a list of articles directly in mojolicio.us
20:02 tempire oh
20:02 tempire I really like Revel's mascot
20:02 * tempire wants a mascot
20:02 * tempire applies for the job
20:09 sri tempire: that's the Gopher :)
20:11 sri they even have plush ones http://www.mikespook.com/wp-con​tent/uploads/2011/05/gopher.jpg
20:12 sri (it's the Go logo)
20:13 sri i wouldn't mind linking to a blog aggregator, but it should be pretty
20:13 Adurah Google should've called it Perl!
20:13 sri btw. @perlmojo is free on twitter
20:14 Adurah But, they had to go and copy Go!
20:24 sri oh, actually i think i just killed the @perlmojo account by entering bad information...
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20:32 tempire Did you try contacting the @mojolicious person?
20:33 sri how can you contact someone who hasn't used his twitter account in over 3 years?
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20:57 Adurah I remember when Twitter seemed like crazy crap.
20:57 Adurah Blog when you're on the toilet? Ok...!
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21:24 sri hmmm
21:24 sri http://www.cpantesters.org/cpan/report​/181f1cd8-3d67-11e2-b6c7-c192cccd3a20
21:24 sri that's an odd test fail
21:25 sri http://www.cpantesters.org/distro​/M/Mojolicious.html#Mojolicious-3.64
21:25 sri 228 green is not bad
21:26 sri 5 red are unstable perl releases and don't count
21:55 tempire I sent them a message, maybe it will go to their email
21:55 tempire and I changed my profile photo to a cartoon of a cute girl
21:56 mjy sri: you register Mojolicious as a trademark and then email the twitter legal dept :P
21:56 sri tempire: :D
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