Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

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01:15 Caelum something's wrong with my apache config that it's not serving resources like /mojolicious-white.png
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01:16 Caelum so the error screen looks like crap
01:16 Caelum this didn't happen before
01:18 Caelum c
01:18 Caelum oh it's my auth handler
01:18 Caelum how do I tell that the request is for a builtin resource?
01:20 nicomen use an auth handler in mojo instead?
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01:20 nicomen should be fairly easy
01:21 Caelum what's an "auth handler in mojo"
01:21 Caelum I think I'll just send a session cookie
01:22 nicomen how are you athenticating in apache?
01:22 sri internal resources are prefixed with /mojo/ in the latest release
01:23 Caelum nice, that makes things easier :) sri++
01:24 Caelum nicomen: this is my hacky thing to check sessionId in the query string to make sure the user is "logged in" it's actually as a mojolicious plugin
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01:49 freman so... I'm back with my "OMG wtf is he trying to do with mojo" questions
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01:50 freman I'm looking to launch a program and monitor it's stdoutput with mojo - the raw way is to io::select... any tips on mojo?
01:51 freman of course my fallback is to write a second script to wrap the program, launch it from mobo, abandon it, and have it post data back via http...
01:51 freman but I'd really like to integrate it into the one mojo app if it's possible
01:51 sri http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Mojo/IOLoop#reactor
01:52 freman yeh was just going to mention I've managed to tinker with reactor... I have inotify running though it
01:53 freman I'll let you know how I go :D
01:53 freman btw, launching pppd hehe
01:53 freman you'd be shocked just how far I've perverted mojo for this task... and webkit...
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02:01 sri ewwwww
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02:16 Caelum pppd? are you doing that ssh-over-ppp hack?
02:20 Caelum or is this some dsl related thing
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03:02 bizam hi! i tried add templates in __DATA__ of the controller class. Dont work.
03:05 bizam how to assign diffrent exeption template for some controllers?
03:12 bizam such as controller/action.exception.$mode.$format.* || controller/action.exception.$format.*
03:13 bizam || controller/exception.$format.*
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03:23 anaio bizam, what kind of app?
03:24 anaio lite or full
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03:32 bizam full
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03:36 anewkirk full-apps don't process templates from the __DATA__ section
03:36 bizam sure?
03:38 bizam > All templates should be in the templates directories of the application or the DATA section of the class main.
03:39 bizam but on my logic template of some controller class should be on this class __DATA__
03:40 freman Hmmm rather than abusing reactor->io and reactor->watch directly, should I use Mojo::IOLoop::Stream?
03:41 anewkirk bizam, not sure, try moving the __DATA__ section to the main module, although I don't remember reading that
03:43 bizam anewkirk, i know that but i try be reasoned
03:54 * bizam have rationale
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04:08 freman no, using Mojo::IOLoop::Stream doesn't work... bugger
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04:27 freman Interesting, when I use stream... it doesn't work but when I use the reactor directly using basically the same code from the stream... it does?
04:28 freman in fact stream seems to be making it hang and wait
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11:27 Mithaldu one of our guys wants to have the site redirect on 404, how would he go about that?
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11:45 vervain Do you have a proxy in front that could handle that for you?
11:46 Mithaldu he's thinking he should be able to do it with the normal mojolicious routing system
11:46 Mithaldu sadly i'm not acquainted with it and only know how to do it in Web::Simple
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11:59 vervain Just to be sure, you do mean redirect, e.g. to a different site and not just a custom page?
12:00 Mithaldu he wants to stay within the same mojolicious app, display a 404 page, and change the url
12:00 Mithaldu the url that is displayed in the browser that is
12:02 vervain Custom 404 pages can be achieved with templates with the name not_found.html.ep ( or not_found.development.html.ep not_found.production.html.ep )
12:02 vervain But as for the rest...
12:03 vervain Maybe an after_dispatch hook method?
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12:04 vervain Or something like a meta redirect in the custom 404 page?
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12:05 ulric hello, is there some documentation about using .css files with mojolicious::lite?
12:05 vervain ulric: I'm not sure I follow.  How do you mean 'using'?
12:06 Mithaldu vervain: i'm not talking about just custom 404 visuals, i am talking about code to be executed on a 404
12:06 vervain ulric: Do you want to embed them in __DATA__, link to them elsewhere?
12:06 Mithaldu i.e. to do custom logging in that case, etc.
12:06 marty_ ulric:  Not specifically.  If you want to use your own .css files.  just drop them in the public directory and call them as normal.
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12:06 ulric i'd like to put them elsewhere, not in the __DATA__ section
12:07 vervain Mithaldu: Right, I think that after_dispatch is your friend there.  But to be honest I do all of that is nginx.
12:07 Mithaldu right now we resolved it by telling it to load an action, which then does a redirect
12:07 Mithaldu but that is arse
12:07 vervain ulric: http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/M​ojolicious/Lite#Static_files
12:08 Mithaldu with after_dispatch we'd still need to do special code to figure out whether it was a 404 or not, that is fragile
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12:08 vervain Mithaldu: I'm lost, how could you do it without code?  How is that fragile?
12:09 Mithaldu the dispatcher already knows it's a 404 when it defaults back to the unknown template
12:09 vervain And how is loading an action and performing a redirect bad?
12:10 Mithaldu because it means to find out what that route does one has to look in 2 places
12:10 * marty_ is confused by what it means to ' redirect on 404' from the context of serving web pages.
12:11 marty_ ulric:  I'm not sure how do do it in lite.  sorry. :(
12:11 vervain marty_: You intercept the 404 'context' but instead of 404 to the client you redirect.  It's actually a pretty bad idea.  IT means that people can link to your site with "http://example.com/we_blow_cats" and get someting.
12:12 vervain marty_: I gave ulric the reference he needs to server docs from ./public
12:12 marty_ vervain++
12:13 Mithaldu it's an internal thing anyhow
12:14 sri serve a 404 *and* redirect, what is that supposed to mean?
12:14 stephan48 57
12:14 marty_ I thought a 404 was a response we generate if we do not find an asset
12:15 vervain sri: I didn't read it like that, I read it as 'intercept the 404 'context' and deliver a redirect context'
12:15 vervain You can't do both 404 *and* redirect without the meta redirect method I mentioned.
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12:16 Mithaldu sri: that's not what i asked
12:16 Mithaldu sri: i asked how to do a redirect when no route matches
12:16 sri how is that any different than doing a redirect normally?
12:17 Mithaldu how does one redirect normally?
12:17 Mithaldu (i honestly don't know, since i'm asking for someone else)
12:17 sri http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Moj​olicious/Controller#redirect_to
12:18 sri then let the person who needs help ask
12:18 Mithaldu so, i set up some action in a controller that has a redirect directive in it?
12:18 Mithaldu sri: you know german companies ... "irc? we don't use them modern interweb technologies here"
12:18 sri you do it however you like
12:18 vervain Mithaldu: It is perhaps not a 404 but instead a default action on the route?  e.g. when /user/:id doens't actually have a correct :id?  If so then use standard redirect
12:19 Mithaldu i'm not sure what i'm doing wrong in explaining this ...
12:19 Mithaldu there are a number of routes defined
12:19 sri $r->any('/*whatever' => sub {...do whatever the hell you like...});
12:20 Mithaldu aha!
12:20 sri you're not being specific
12:20 sri there is like a million ways to solve what you have described so far
12:21 Mithaldu alright, that makes sense
12:21 Mithaldu getting code
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12:22 Mithaldu https://gist.github.com/00a0481779489d9a840c
12:22 Mithaldu right now it looks like this
12:22 sri if all you want to do is have the router redirect if no route matches it can be as simple as $r->any('/*whatever' => sub { shift->redirect_to('/foo/bar') });
12:23 sri route('*') is invalid
12:23 vervain But you'd need to make sure it was the last router defined right sri?
12:23 sri right
12:23 Mithaldu so, this would work? https://gist.github.com/497099b60d24c92e5960
12:23 Mithaldu sri: well, it might be invalid, but right now it's actually doing what he wanted
12:23 Mithaldu maybe something that isn't caught properly in parsing?
12:24 sri route('*') is nowhere mentioned in the documentation, therefore the behavior is undefined and will break in the future
12:25 vervain Mithaldu: Safe and working are two different things.  Just change it to *fallthrough or whatever makes sense to you.
12:25 Mithaldu sri: noted :)
12:26 Mithaldu thanks a lot for the patience so far, our admin is trying the any thing right now, and being slowed by a hamburger in his hands
12:27 ulric thank you, it seems to work putting the .css files in the public dir.
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16:27 * sri is not looking forward to dealing with people misunderstanding nosql databases
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16:31 marty As long as it's webscale who cares
16:31 marty :)
16:32 marty I'll volunteer my help as mush as I can since I've been in Mongo land for a while now.   It did take a while to think schemeless.
16:39 marty wescale!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs
16:56 wircus woot
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18:13 Mikey if i wanted code to run for every dynamic request, where would i set that up?
18:13 Mikey slapd: the original nosql database
18:14 Caelum sri: can you recommend a book on nosql? I'm totally a sql guy
18:14 Caelum Mikey: before/after/around dispatch hooks?
18:15 Mikey before_dispatch does every request
18:15 Mikey i want every non-static request
18:15 sri http://www.amazon.com/NoSQL-Distilled-Eme​rging-Polyglot-Persistence/dp/0321826620
18:15 Mikey but something like before_dispatch but only for requests that aren't routed out the static handler
18:16 Caelum sri: thank you very much
18:16 sri this one is not bad either http://www.amazon.com/Seven-Databases​-Weeks-Modern-Movement/dp/1934356921/
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18:18 laidback_01 Caelum, morning, hey!  how goes it?
18:18 Caelum laidback_01: hey
18:20 Caelum Mikey: apparently it sets $c->stash->{mojo.static} for static requests
18:20 Mikey it doesn't do that prerouting i'm guessing tho
18:20 Mikey it's cool, i believe a bridge is what i need anyway
18:20 Mikey thank you <3
18:23 sri all mojo.* stash values are internal
18:23 Mikey i figured as much
18:23 * Mikey keeps off the grass
18:24 sri if you want one of them to be part of the public api, you're welcome to present a proposal
18:26 Mikey TMTOWTDI
18:27 Mikey i'm becoming somewhat of a conformist in my middle years
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18:33 Caelum Mikey: I know you found a different solution, but I was curious so I came up with a way: http://gist.github.com/4666437
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18:37 Mikey oh i actually like that a lot
18:37 Mikey thank you
18:39 sri that makes all other hooks not work for static files though
18:40 * sri someties wishes after_static_dispatch was two hooks, after_static (which runs only when a static file is served) and after_routes (which only runs when a route matched)
18:41 Mikey yeah that'd be perfect
18:45 sri but there are timing problems for delayed responses... someone would have to figure those out and design the proposal around them
18:46 sri i wouldn't mind deprecating after_static_dispatch though if the proposal was good
18:47 sri (it's mainly after_routes that would be a problem)
18:50 sri just adding after_static would be simpler, but then the name collision between after_static and after_static_dispatch suck
18:50 sri *+would
18:52 sri another alternative is to add after_static, and rename after_static_dispatch to before_routes
18:53 Caelum what does "raptor not found." mean, I'm getting that on our dev server instead of the error page
18:55 Caelum oh I had MOJO_MODE production
18:55 Caelum is "raptor not found." the 500 page?
18:56 sri you would know the 500 page if you saw it :)
18:57 * marty thinks the mojo 500 page is groovy
18:58 sri hmmmm
18:58 Caelum oh "raptor not found" is the 404 page
18:58 sri what if before_routes only got emitted if routes actually try matching
18:59 sri so after_static and before_routes would cancel each other out
19:00 Caelum why are you looking for a raptor?
19:00 * Caelum is confused
19:03 Caelum hmm, do I set MOJO_MODE production on the dev server or not. It spams the error_log, but gives more helpful pages
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19:09 Caelum maybe I can make it log to a different file
19:09 Caelum when not in production
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19:36 sri hmm, there are a few cpan modules that depend on after_static_dispatch... http://grep.cpan.me/?q=after_static_dispatch
19:37 wircus Sweet. wirc looks even better with a lighter version of Hume. https://www.evernote.com/shard/s22/sh/a0938158-697​7-4804-9681-2ef818251d75/d69cee2a23fce918aae84301c​9216d76/deep/0/Screenshot%2029.01.13%2020:37.jpg
19:45 sri tempire, marcus, crab: thoughts on this patch? http://pastie.org/5944674
19:47 Caelum I'm going to write a plugin to make goatse the 404 page
19:47 marcus sri: after_static sounds a lot similar to after_static_dispatch
19:47 sri marcus: yes and no
19:48 sri after_static_dispatch gets emitted for *every* request, not just the ones the static dispatcher handles
19:49 marcus sri: right, so after_static is probably a lot better then.
19:49 marcus since it does what people expects from the name :)
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19:56 sri marcus: problem is i can't figure out the right semantics for both
19:57 * sri starts to get annoyed
19:59 sri if i restrict before_routes too much it can't be used for the same tasks after after_static_dispatch... and i have no clue if after_static should be dispatch only or work for render_static too
19:59 sri think i'll just leave it the way it is
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20:10 mikegrb_ Just to be clear, Mojo::UserAgent pod shows "$ua->get('http://kraih.com' => {DNT => 1} => 'Hi!')", the DHT => 1 isn't any type of special handling for DHT, you can set any header there, right?
20:18 wircus today I did $ua->post('/foo',{bar=>1}) instead of post_form and was mightly confused for a long time.
20:19 mikegrb_ heh
20:20 marcus didn't notice until I fired up a packet sniffer and looked at the request, actually.
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20:36 * sri wonders if it makes sense to just rename after_static_dispatch to before_render, so we can add hooks like after_static in the future more easily
20:37 sri umm
20:37 sri before_routes
20:49 sri btw. this is not cool http://grep.cpan.me/?q=%27mojo%5C.
20:50 sri tempire-- # using mojo.static in a plugin
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21:01 sri it's pretty clear that the static vs routes problem needs a solution
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21:02 good_news_everyone [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/cFkmuQ
21:02 good_news_everyone mojo/master 3de23f6 Sebastian Riedel: comment tweaks
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21:09 sri marcus: and your parallol uses mojo.finished
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21:09 sri and jamadam uses mojo.routed
21:09 Mikey not everyone keeps off the grass
21:10 marcus coercion for "_re" failed: Regexp ''mojo\' unparsable -- RE2 may not support the syntax. (coercion for "_re" failed: missing ): (?m-is:'mojo\) )
21:10 sri your irc client sucks then, the dot at the end matters
21:10 marcus oh, stupid wirc trying to be smart
21:10 marcus stupid textual even
21:10 marcus sri: we're not using parallol anymore, since Mojo::Delay is superior :)
21:11 marcus other than that, I blame judofyr
21:11 sri mojo.finished is just wrong, you could just as well use the after_dispatch hook to set your own flag
21:11 sri mojo.routed and mojo.static are wrong too, but are not so simple to replace
21:12 sri those two are exactly why i wanted to add after_static and before_routes hooks
21:12 marcus sri: I doubt parallol has widespread use, but I'll make sure we get a fixed release out anyways
21:12 sri a before_routes hook could run after routes have been matched but before they are dispatched
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21:18 sri but then the problem is that after_static_dispatch needs a new name that is not after_dispatch or before_routes
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21:39 good_news_everyone [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/qld4Ag
21:39 good_news_everyone mojo/master 662973e Sebastian Riedel: deprecated after_static_dispatch hook in favor of before_routes and added after_static hook
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21:39 sri ok, if there are no opinions i'll just dictate ;)
21:41 sri before_routes is no good name for the hook between matching and dispatching anyway
21:41 sri i suppose it would be called after_match or so
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21:52 good_news_everyone [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/g_5qNg
21:52 good_news_everyone mojo/master 38f6012 Sebastian Riedel: documentation tweaks
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21:54 Caelum I rewrote an ajax cgi in mojolicious, but it's not much faster (db bottleneck probably)
21:54 Caelum I suppose I should benchmark
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21:59 good_news_everyone [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/0sDQzQ
21:59 good_news_everyone mojo/master 3bf09b7 Sebastian Riedel: more after_static hook tests
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22:04 sri btw. still open question, should after_static run for render_static too
22:05 sri and don't be too quick with your answer, the most common use is to disable logging for static files that bypass the router
22:07 sri as well as adding headers for caching reverse proxies
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22:16 Caelum well the mojolicious version is 58ms faster than the cgi version
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22:40 jberger_ sri: I need after_static_dispatch (or something of the like) to prevent access to certain static files
22:40 jberger_ so you know my use case
22:40 jberger_ I don't care what the name is
22:41 sri jberger_: i believe you'll like after_static
22:43 jberger_ good to know, just wanted to make sure you didn't remove something I needed :-)
22:44 sri the old after_static_dispatch is now called before_routes
22:44 sri same semantics
22:44 jberger_ so how is after_static different?
22:44 sri and in addition there's now after_static, which only gets emitted for actual static files
22:44 jberger_ oh ok
22:45 sri many people assumed that's how after_static_dispatch always worked
22:45 jberger_ its probably only by accident (lack of name collisions) that that my use ever worked
22:45 jberger_ yes exactly
22:45 sri haha, i'll count that as a +1 ;p
22:45 jberger_ then I highly agree with the name change
22:45 jberger_ indeed
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