Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

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06:55 zacts hi
06:56 zacts are the screencasts + POD enough to get me started making a simple webcasts site?
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06:56 zacts I'm watching the first screencast now
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08:02 moquery advertisement http://perlmonks.org/?node_id=1051389# Mojolicious::Lite +and jQuery +AJAX + Mojo::Template
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14:17 bjoernfna My boss just asked me what "mojolicious" means and asked why he couldn't find the definition in the cambridge dictionary. :)
14:17 bjoernfan Let me know if you want me to file a bug report on that. ;)
14:18 PerlJam bjoernfan: please file a bug report with the cambridge dictionary.  ;)
14:18 bjoernfan Yeah, of course. :)
14:21 tempire zacts: watch the screencasts, then read through the guides on http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/#GUIDES
14:21 tempire That's all you need.
14:21 zacts sweet
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14:26 tempire "Heavily armed Norwegians, where gun ownership is highest in Western Europe, have the continent’s lowest homicide rate"
14:26 tempire marcus++
14:30 avenj I live in a US state with extremely high gun ownership and extremely low crime rates ... turns out it's a lot harder to commit violent crime when the odds are good that your chosen victim is armed
14:32 Vandal it is nonsence for naives
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14:41 Vandal avenj, in my country not so long ago was very high crime rates, criminals who wanted guns were jumping on policemen from behind or waited in the dark coners and attacking them pretty successfully
14:42 tempire That is disturbing.
14:42 tempire However resourceful.
14:42 Vandal avenj, so ether your criminals incredably stupid ether it is not the guns
14:42 avenj Vandal: exactly. criminals will always find a way to get guns
14:42 tempire But let's not make this discussion about guns.
14:42 tempire It's really about norwegians.
14:42 avenj fair point
14:42 tempire Specifically, marcus the viking.
14:42 avenj marcus++
14:43 tempire marcus the armed viking.
14:43 Vandal avenj, I'm saying that cops with gins are still a targets
14:43 tempire marcus the armed viking will save us.
14:44 Vandal btw I think they don't have an ammo at home
14:44 tempire http://arniesairsoft.co.uk/news2/wp-​content/uploads/2012/07/image111.png
14:44 Vandal or maybe i"m confusing with others
14:49 sri tempire: gun ownership in norway is regulated by the state though, you need to apply for a license, BIG GOVERNMENT!
14:51 sri and i think there are stricter rules for handguns than hunting rifles
14:54 sri tempire: strict gun laws work http://now.msn.com/german-polic​e-used-just-85-bullets-in-2011
15:02 marty http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/95b/ea0/1​f6/resized/barney-fife-meme-generator-​barney-fife-because-real-men-only-need​-one-bullet-41834d.jpg?1351210969.jpg
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15:12 sri <insert unpopular opinion meme here>
15:12 sri Bender: trust memowe_
15:12 sri Bender: trust marty_
15:12 sri Bender: spread the love
15:12 * sri shrugs
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15:46 Topic for #mojo is now 🎩, indubitably | http://mojolicio.us | http://irclog.perlgeek.de/mojo/today
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16:12 Dandre hello,
16:13 Dandre I am trying to use route in startup method of my app:
16:13 Dandre http://pastebin.fr/28575
16:14 Dandre the first version works fine but not the second. Apparently the template is not found
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16:39 marty_ Dandre:  $app->routes->get('/')->rend​er(template=>'foo/welcome', message => 'Welcome');
16:39 marty Bender: love me
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17:36 * marty hugs mango
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18:40 zacts hi. may I discuss mojolicious errors I am getting here?
18:42 zacts I'm following the first example from the first screencast, and I'm getting this error: Can't locate object method "render_text" via package "Mojolicious::Controller" at hello.pl line 7.
18:43 zacts when I view it in my browser
18:44 zacts I'm using the latest perl-5.18.1 via perlbrew
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18:45 sri oh
18:45 sri tempire: i think we might have to stop linking to mojocasts :(
18:46 zacts are the mojocasts out of date?
18:46 sri zacts: render_text(...) is now render(text => ...)
18:46 sri it looks that way
18:46 zacts ah ok
18:46 zacts which tutorials should I start with for a mojolicious newbie?
18:47 sri the screencasts are still good... just some small details are out of date
18:48 zacts hm.. I guess I'll ask here when I have problems?
18:48 sri so far it's render_text and '/(.foo)' placeholders
18:49 zacts maybe you could, instead of rerecording the videos, post textual updates describing minor changes
18:49 sri marcus, jberger, tempire, crab: what do you think we should do? remove the links from the documentation until tempire had time to update the screencasts?
18:50 sri zacts: only tempire can do that, and he seems to have no time atm :(
18:50 zacts ok
18:50 zacts I would help out, but I'm busy too
18:57 zacts ok now when I start morbo hello.pl I'm getting: [debug] Your secret password needs to be changed!
18:58 zacts and it won't update my site after I change the __DATA__ templating stuff
19:01 zacts maybe I'll start with textual tutorials..
19:02 marty zacts:  the password reminder is normal behavior.    make sure in your templates you do not have leading spaces before @@
19:03 zacts ithey do not have any leading spaces before @@
19:03 zacts there is a blank line right after __DATA__ before my templating text, though
19:03 zacts as it is in the video tutorial
19:04 zacts and I did click refresh on my browser
19:04 marty that should not be a problem
19:04 zacts for tutorials start with Mojolicious::Lite?
19:04 marty yes
19:04 zacts I need to learn the fundamentals of mojolicious within the next few days
19:04 marty everything flows from that starting point
19:05 zacts cool
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19:06 good_news_everyone [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/e7jqDw
19:06 good_news_everyone mojo/master 14136ef Sebastian Riedel: remove Mojocasts link from guides for now
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19:06 sri that has to be done for now :(
19:07 zacts ok
19:07 sri not sure if it should be removed from the menubar as well
19:10 marty it's a shame because those screencasts are so helpful for beginners and they still have a lot of good info.   but, out of date is out of date I guess.
19:11 sri yea, they need at least a disclaimer pointing out the things that changed
19:11 * marty nods
19:11 zacts an errata/updates page would be helpful.
19:11 zacts you don't need to fully rerecord the videos all of the time
19:11 sri i think tempire wanted to do funny paint style overlays in the screencasts to point out stuff that changed
19:11 zacts haha
19:12 marty that would be fun
19:12 sri but didn't have time yet
19:12 sri yea
19:20 zacts does use Mojolicious::Lite automatically use strict and use warnings?
19:20 zacts oh nvmnd
19:20 zacts the doc explains this
19:26 sri ok
19:26 sri i've added screencasts section to the wiki https://github.com/kraih/mojo/wiki#screencasts
19:26 sri gonna remove the link from the menubar though
19:27 sri since the wiki can point out the errors
19:27 sri feel free to edit
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19:29 good_news_everyone [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/2csf2g
19:29 good_news_everyone mojo/master 8c26f2c Sebastian Riedel: removed Mojocasts link from menu bar for now
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19:44 * sri still hopes for funny paint style overlays with corrections
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19:57 zacts cool thanks sri
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20:05 jberger Bye bye mojocasts :'(
20:10 sri not quite, it's at the top of the wiki now
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20:43 sri wondering a bit if this will hurt us enough to warrant readding render_text as a helper and make /(.foo) a special exception in Mojolicious::Routes::Pattern
20:46 sri oh crap
20:46 sri there's more broken
20:47 sri tempire also used the built in logo /mojolicious-black.png we moved under the /mojo/ prefix
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20:54 sri oh
20:55 sri 3-5 are mostly ok, but the search.twitter example is also outdated since twitter changed their api
20:56 sri ah, and $ua->post_form used in 5
20:56 zacts wow, I seem to have opened a can of worms. :p
20:57 sri indeed -.-
20:59 sri https://github.com/kraih/mojo/wiki#screencasts
21:00 sri i think that's all
21:00 sri patching mojolicious to make it work again is not really an option anymore though
21:02 sri and formatted as a list
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22:04 * sri wonders if we should bring back the before_render hook
22:05 sri i can think of a few use cases now
22:05 sri like making $self->render(foo => 'bar') work
22:05 zacts where may I find the mojolicious/perl source for the mojocasts site?
22:06 zacts I want to build a webcasts site.
22:07 * zacts is assuming github
22:07 * zacts is searching for it
22:07 sri i think it's not open source
22:08 zacts ah that's too bad
23:12 batman super weird...
23:12 batman i decided to open source my webpage some time ago. thought it might be interesting :)
23:12 batman it's called "batware"
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23:46 zacts batman: are you the author of mojocasts?
23:46 batman no.
23:48 batman it's tempire. at least he's commenting as if he's the creator on the webpage :)
23:48 * batman need to get some sleep
23:52 sri it is tempire
23:52 zacts can I use my own templating engine with mojo?
23:54 marty_ zacts: http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Mojolicious/Guides/​Rendering#Adding_your_favorite_template_system
23:56 zacts duh, why did I miss that?

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