Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #mojo, 2013-10-16

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00:30 jberger sri: tweeted
00:30 jberger mst: thanks, I did see that but in the end decided that since I was only doing an example I didn't want to take it too far
00:31 jberger tianon, open source works on love, I'm sure sri is happy to hear it as often as we dish it out
00:31 jberger sri++ # yay mojo!
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02:56 buu Yay mojo! It installed on my router even with cpanm wouldn't run!
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03:49 bpmedley buu: What CPU does it have?
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05:26 good_news_everyone [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/iSQHlw
05:26 good_news_everyone mojo/master 24a684f Sebastian Riedel: fixed support for Net::SSLeay 1.55
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05:26 good_news_everyone [mojo] kraih tagged v4.48 at 095a645: http://git.io/dbwZEQ
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05:27 sri meh... perfect forward secrecy is not possible in perl atm
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06:00 crab did the NSA lean on you to WEAKEN YOUR CRYPTOGRAPHY?!
06:00 * sri can't confirm or deny that
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06:37 * marcus leans on sri so strengten his cryptography.
07:01 batman sri: Is the SSL issue related to mojo, or any server?
07:01 batman Sounded like it was shared lib that had to be upgraded..?
07:02 batman Do you have a link to more information?
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07:36 psimanx1 batman: the issue is in IO::Socket::SSL.  The docs for their current release state that you can set SSL_ecdh_curve.  However it's not supported until Net::SSLeay releases the next version.  It's not really clear unless you look at the source.
07:36 Dandre hello,
07:37 psimanx1 ello
07:37 Dandre I am planning to add a custom hook in my application. Is it allowed?
07:38 Dandre or is it reserved for official Mojolicious events?
07:39 psimanx1 I don't see why you can't?
07:43 crab we can add an entry to the official mojo event registry for you, on receipt of a suitable application (in triplicate, of course).
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08:17 laouji The documents say that IRIs are handled transparently, but I'm having trouble extracting non ASCII characters from the stash (using them as placeholders)
08:18 laouji I have something like $r->route('/:date/:name')->to(action => 'result');
08:19 laouji where :name is input by the user and is likely to be Japanese
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08:21 laouji I tried generating the url with URI::Escape::uri_escape_utf8, but the output I get from the stash ends up looking like it was utf8 encoded twice
08:22 laouji what should I be doing to convert the value in the stash back to unescaped utf8?
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09:07 laouji nevermind it was as simple as using Encode::decode
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11:07 batman psimanx1: ah! thanks :)
11:08 batman crap. i was hoping i could trick *someone* to upgrade to this-century-linux to fix the web server ;)
11:08 sri hmm
11:09 sri what's a cipher absolutely every version of openssl has?
11:09 * sri wants to make ciphers configurable and needs a reliable one for testing
11:09 sri eNULL does not appear to be reliable :o
11:11 * sri would have expected NULL:ALL to result in NULL getting negotiated... but that's not the case
11:12 sri oh wait... NULL is a cipher suite, not actually a cipher itself
11:12 sri *facepalm*
11:22 buu bpmedley: Arm7? Like 800mhz, its pretty beefy =]
11:22 bpmedley Cool
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11:33 good_news_everyone [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/kz9WXg
11:33 good_news_everyone mojo/master 71d1997 Sebastian Riedel: made cipher spec configurable
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11:36 good_news_everyone [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/pV69TQ
11:36 good_news_everyone mojo/master 8161ac7 Sebastian Riedel: small optimization
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13:04 Dandre crab: no the hooks I plan to create are only for my application. For instance, when a device is deleted, I want to notify about this some other components that use devices
13:05 * sri wonders if validation is ready to become stable
13:21 sri marcus, jberger, crab, tempire: what are your thoughts? validation ready?
13:26 crab sri: i will look at it properly tonight and tell you tomorrow what i think.
13:26 sri \o/
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13:59 batman +1 # if anyone cares
14:26 sri batman: sure
14:27 batman :)
14:43 batman sri: is it a public thing that group {} in Mojo::Lite gets $routes as the first argument?
14:43 batman i can't see it in the Mojolicious::Lite documentation...
14:44 sri if it's not documented and tested it's not public
14:45 batman ok. was curious if i was missing out on something
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14:47 good_news_everyone [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/JaJQCg
14:47 good_news_everyone mojo/master 9c4661c Sebastian Riedel: avoid side effects for groups
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14:47 sri that should make it 100% clear ;p
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14:59 marcus sri: Sorry, don't know.
14:59 marcus sri: been deep in ios/sinatra land lately
15:00 marcus Today I was writing Rakefile tasks, for pete's sake :-/
15:01 marcus sri: one side-effect of that is that I've been thinking about how mojo should have carton integration tho
15:01 marcus so you don't have to do carton exec for everything if the project is using carton
15:03 marty does anyone know a way to keep mojo from sending the 'Set-Cookie' header?
15:04 marcus marty: don't put anything in the session?
15:05 marty marcus:  thx.   let me see if I can make that work.  btw, it's for an nginx reverse proxy.  if nginx sees' that header it will not cache
15:05 marcus mst: btw, activerecord might be a POS, but you'd do well to look at http://sequel.rubyforge.org/ for dbic inspiration.
15:06 marcus marty: right, because you can't cache something that has an active session safely.
15:07 marty I'll look at redirecting the request in a before_dispatch hook to avoid any session stuff.
15:13 sri marcus: well, don't blame me later, you had a chance to review
15:13 * sri expect to link back to this and waves at his future self o/
15:13 sri *+s
15:18 marcus sri: Do you bookmark these blame-distribution checkpoints? :)
15:18 sri of course!
15:19 marty marcus: your session answer was spot-on.   thanks!
15:22 marcus marty: you're welcome.
15:22 marcus sri: you should go into politics.
15:22 marcus internet politics? :)
15:22 sri don't tell me what to do!
15:26 sri btw. anyone is welcome to vote on making validation stable
15:26 marcus sri: you should def. not go into politics!
15:27 sri I'M GONNA MAKE MY OWN POLITICS... WITH BLACKJACK AND HOOKERS!
15:27 d^_^b sri: so I have to pass in SSL_verify_mode => 0x00, and SSL_version => 'TLSv1' to get mojo to work with the site I was having issues with yesterday. BTW debugging with openssl helped.
15:29 sri d^_^b: so what you're saying is that the server is broken :)
15:29 Mikey isn't 0x00 just... 0?
15:30 d^_^b sri: the cert ends in Dec 2013 so :D
15:30 d^_^b Mikey: yeah j:D
15:30 Mikey 0x00 sounds more l33t tho.  go with it brah
15:30 d^_^b lol
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16:05 odc is there a difference between calling $self->ua->post() and app->ua->post() in a Lite application?
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16:09 crab wherever you want to do that, print $self and app and see if they're the same.
16:10 odc right :)
16:11 saurabh_abhishek Greeting folks, whats the diff between helpers and subs ( Noob, yes) ?
16:12 saurabh_abhishek Any good tutorials on helper/plugin pls
16:12 crab i'm sorry, but that question doesn't really make sense. or at least there's no good answer.
16:13 crab helpers are a particular kind of sub. you can call them on the app, or the controller, or in a template, etc.
16:13 crab if you find yourself writing a sub to do something where you have to pass in the app, or the controller, or interpolate the results into a template, you probably want to use a helper.
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16:14 * d^_^b feels like an idiot after his reply to the dom->find email to the list
16:14 Mikey feeling like an idiot is often followed by profound, lasting enlightenment
16:14 saurabh_abhishek Thanks Crab.
16:15 d^_^b couldn't find the method ->res->dom in Mojo::Message::Response, but just notice this sentence: Mojo::M::R inherits all methods from Mojo::Message.
16:15 d^_^b in the POD
16:16 * crab looks for idiotic mail on the mailing list to reverse engineer who d^_^b is. ;-)
16:16 d^_^b which does have ->dom
16:16 d^_^b hehe
16:16 d^_^b jonathan if that helps speed the process
16:17 d^_^b d^_^b is my vps irssi, I usually go by dj_goku
16:19 sri your current nick sure makes you look a little derpy
16:27 sri http://th06.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2012/167/5/8​/derpy_hooves_eating_muffin_by_ininko-d53o4zo.png
16:28 d^_^b lol that isn't the same as d^_^b!
16:28 crab sri: wow
16:29 d^_^b actually what I was going for is d   b are headphones or at least how I see them.
16:29 crab i am in awe of your artwork finding skills
16:30 crab and ^_^ represents the trough in your hair with sticking-out ridges on either side of the headphone's head-strap?
16:30 crab if so, i totally understand
16:30 crab (we'll ignore the fact that the ridges are pictured at 90° to their actual orientation because of the two-dimensional nature of your medium)
16:31 d^_^b didn't think of it that way, but no more of my eyes and mouth.
16:31 mst right, ^_^ -> hello kitty smiley
16:31 d^_^b lol
16:31 mst d^_^b -> hello kitty smiley wearing headphones so its mom can't hear the hello kitty porn
16:31 crab i thought hello kitty didn't have a mouth
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16:31 mst the porn version kinda has to.
16:32 d^_^b wow
16:32 crab hahah
16:32 sri rofl
16:33 * d^_^b wishes there were a perlbrew for windows
16:34 sri http://a.deviantart.net/av​atars/d/e/derpyclapplz.gif
16:34 d^_^b lol haven't been to deviantart.net for ages
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17:54 marcus sri: http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/277/​f/2/derpy_dance_by_mixermike622-d4bunum.gif
17:54 sri \o\
17:54 sri /o/
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17:58 kanishka1 hey
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18:02 kanishka hey
18:03 kanishka any authentication model based on mojolicious
18:03 kanishka ?
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19:02 tianon kanishka: Mojolicious::Plugin::Authentication
19:03 tianon not exactly a "model", but it helps with the basic idea
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19:18 * sri pokes jberger and tempire
19:24 kanishka tianon: got it
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19:39 good_news_everyone [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/E48xZw
19:39 good_news_everyone mojo/master b2a3ffe Sebastian Riedel: fixed parameter bug in Mojolicious::Validator::Validation
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20:09 good_news_everyone mojo/master 7108ece Sebastian Riedel: mention that checks are performed on all values
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20:24 good_news_everyone mojo/master 1f4773e Sebastian Riedel: removed experimental status from form validation support
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20:24 sri marcus, tempire, jberger, crab: this is only final with the release of 4.49, so now is the time to review and speak up if something is wrong/missing!
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20:42 good_news_everyone mojo/master 533fb5b Sebastian Riedel: mention that required values cannot be empty strings
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20:50 sri FEEDBACK OR I WILL POST MORE MEMES!!!
20:53 d^_^b I like memes so meme away.
20:59 sri :/
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22:17 good_news_everyone mojo/master ca4a61b Sebastian Riedel: small optimizations
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22:52 bpmedley kanishka: Did you figure out authentication?
22:53 kanishka bpmedley: yeah , working on it, actually modifing it to my needs
22:53 bpmedley kanishka: You can use "under" for authenticaiton, fyi
22:53 kanishka yeah it been working
22:56 kanishka bpmedley: just a small question, even thought its wague, what the benchmark of the mojo, since when i test, using AnyEvent, it can handle about 1000 req/sec
22:56 kanishka is that the limit of it
22:56 bpmedley kanishka: I'm not sure.
22:57 kanishka we are trying to build an high traffic application,
22:58 kanishka little bit worried about its performance when traffic grows, ofc, it depends on the hardware and load balancer
22:59 bpmedley How are you doing your deployment?  hypnotoad?
23:00 kanishka yep
23:01 kanishka planning to move to plack
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