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sri |
wonder when the spec will go stable http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-animations/ |
| 00:04 |
sri |
the pun made me smile though ;p |
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meshl |
wondering about Mojolicious and taint, after having read https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mojolicious/aDmhbUuf7eQ |
| 00:44 |
meshl |
any advice on this? |
| 00:52 |
sri |
meshl: just don't |
| 00:53 |
meshl |
ok |
| 00:54 |
meshl |
sri: what time do you go to bed? |
| 00:54 |
meshl |
seems like it's nearly 2am there? |
| 00:54 |
sri |
robots don't sleep |
| 00:55 |
meshl |
:D |
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meshl |
guess so... but take care as I need more of Mojolicious in the future! |
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jberger_ |
sribot botsnack |
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purl |
thanks jberger_ :) |
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jberger_ |
purl that wasn't for you! |
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purl |
jberger_: excuse me? |
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meshl |
g'night everyone |
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sri |
jberger_: :) |
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sri |
wait... where's my snack?!!! |
| 01:54 |
sri |
PUUUUUUUURL!!!!!!! |
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* sri |
slaps purl |
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purl |
o/` Hit me baby, one more time o/` |
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* sri |
bites purl |
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* purl |
bites sri back |
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* crab |
wonders if purl bites transmit any diseases |
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sri |
:o |
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sri |
stuxnet maybe |
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crab |
hi sri |
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crab |
hum. why do the tag helpers generate <img /> and such? is that how html5 likes elements without separate ending tags? |
| 12:30 |
crab |
ok. seems it's allowed, but no longer fashionable, as i thought. |
| 12:30 |
crab |
is there any advantage to generate them? |
| 12:35 |
mjb152 |
I wrote a module which is located under site_perl, it works perfectly as a standalone module and scripts work fine. When I "use My::Module" inside a controller, it seems to break. Weirdly the req->method sets itself to GET regardless of whether it's POST or not. I'm using my $method = $self->req->method; to check for GET or POST inside the controller, is that incorrect ? |
| 12:39 |
crab |
are those two unrelated things? |
| 12:39 |
crab |
or are you saying that $self->req->method returns GET for POST requests only if you "use My::Module" in your controller? |
| 12:40 |
mjb152 |
I think so. whats strange is that if I exclude the "use .." statement, then the output in the development.log is perfect. if I add it back, then the output goes into my mojouser.err file and not the development.log file |
| 12:41 |
mjb152 |
yes , thats it. |
| 12:41 |
crab |
i'm afraid the only conclusion i can draw from this is that your module is horribly broken ;-) |
| 12:42 |
crab |
what does it do, anyway? |
| 12:44 |
mjb152 |
it creates an object and performs operations on it, but also has some other functions in there as well. quite basic really. |
| 12:46 |
mjb152 |
ok time to create a new module, and start from scratch... |
| 12:50 |
nic |
mjb152: sounds like a good time to strengthen the unit tests |
| 12:54 |
mjb152 |
think you're right. I just wrote a small module and that worked fine, so now I'll work out what broke it in my module |
| 12:54 |
mjb152 |
thx |
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batman |
crab: i don't get that <.../> in the tag helpers either. |
| 13:26 |
batman |
sri: is it just from the old days? looks like xhtml which is.... yuk :( |
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batman |
unless ($cb || defined $content) { $tag .= ' />' } # i would just remove this from _tag() |
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crab |
batman: agreed. |
| 14:08 |
crab |
<foo / was obscure SGML-ese. in html 4 (before xhtml) the thing to do was <foo> (though you /could/ do SGML-valid things like <title/foo/ (may not be exactly right, i've suppressed the memories), but hardly anyone supported it correctly, if at all). then in xhtml <foo />... began to mean <foo>...</foo>. then in html it seems it's <foo> is preferred, <foo />... is accepted, but no longer means <foo>...</foo> but just <foo>... |
| 14:08 |
crab |
i did a bit of reading and it seems to me that there is no good reason to generate <foo /> any more. |
| 14:09 |
crab |
SGML had a lot of crack-smoking special cases (in &entity-encoding too) that hardly anyone used, but which have survived on in myth and legend. |
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dsteinbrunner |
win32 |
| 14:10 |
dsteinbrunner |
wrong window... |
| 14:10 |
purl |
cd /var/pics/g0atpr0n |
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sri |
batman/crab: please invest a little more time before making proposals like that |
| 14:27 |
sri |
we generate xhtml tags because they are simple and work in all contexts, there is no extra logic required |
| 14:27 |
sri |
same reason Mojo::DOM::HTML does it |
| 14:28 |
sri |
batman/crab: if you want to change it *you* have to explain the advantages |
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sri |
and who says the tag helper only generates html? |
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| 14:35 |
batman |
sri: i thought you liked less lines of code... :) |
| 14:35 |
sri |
not when it kills features |
| 14:35 |
batman |
which features? |
| 14:35 |
purl |
which features is that? |
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good_news_everyone |
[mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/4o76nw |
| 14:43 |
good_news_everyone |
mojo/master 1e5b7d1 Sebastian Riedel: better tests for tag helpers |
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sri |
batman: to make it absolutely clear |
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crab |
to make it absolutely clear, i asked a question about why it does generate that. there is no "proposal". |
| 14:46 |
batman |
sri: sorry. i thought some versions of xml required having an actual closing tag. |
| 14:47 |
batman |
crab: so the reason is that it's simpler to generate xml that way |
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| 14:47 |
crab |
the test is a good answer. |
| 14:47 |
sri |
crab: you agreed with batmans proposal earlier |
| 14:48 |
sri |
http://irclog.perlgeek.de/mojo/2013-11-26#i_7917034 |
| 14:48 |
sri |
batman: no! because xml always works |
| 14:48 |
sri |
xml syntax is the lowest common denominator |
| 14:48 |
batman |
sri: really nice of you to actually make that xml test. |
| 14:48 |
sri |
you can generate valid everything with it |
| 14:49 |
batman |
right. you just need a dtd to validate "everything" ? |
| 14:49 |
batman |
or no dtd in that case, i guess :) |
| 14:49 |
crab |
sri: umm, i was quoted out of context by... umm... overenthusiastic members of the media. that's it. |
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batman |
crab: just leave it... |
| 14:52 |
crab |
batman: uh. ok. |
| 14:52 |
sri |
fyi. these are the only tags that don't require an end tag in html https://github.com/kraih/mojo/blob/master/lib/Mojo/DOM/HTML.pm#L72 |
| 14:53 |
batman |
sri: not arguing about that :) |
| 14:53 |
sri |
svg and mathml embedded in html for example have no such rules |
| 14:54 |
batman |
sri: i'm good. thanks again. |
| 14:54 |
sri |
just making sure it's 100% understood now so it doesn't come up again ;) |
| 14:55 |
batman |
sri: hopefully i'm around next time someone asks so i can answer instead of you. |
| 14:55 |
sri |
we can link to the irc log |
| 14:55 |
batman |
:D |
| 14:56 |
* sri |
waves at future self o/ |
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* Mikey |
takes a 4d picture of you guys |
| 15:03 |
dsteinbrunner |
anyone running heroku with the dev or basic postgres on fairly active sites? |
| 15:04 |
* batman |
never got to heroku... |
| 15:04 |
batman |
meshl: are you using postgres? |
| 15:08 |
dsteinbrunner |
batman: you us dotcloud or something else? |
| 15:09 |
batman |
i used to use dotcloud, but stopped after they killed the free plan. (i also payed btw) |
| 15:09 |
dsteinbrunner |
interesting |
| 15:10 |
batman |
i pushed once to heroku, but stopped messing around as soon as i learned that they don't do non-blocking |
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batman |
i then started using AWS (amazon) for $14 a month which gives me more bang for the buck |
| 15:11 |
batman |
but now i'm looking at digital ocean, but i'm not sure if i bother to change |
| 15:11 |
batman |
i'm also going to blog about my AWS setup. maybe i'll start preparing that today |
| 15:12 |
dsteinbrunner |
yeah digital ocean looks interesting |
| 15:12 |
dsteinbrunner |
I have a new project I'm gearing up for |
| 15:12 |
batman |
my amazon config is super simple... |
| 15:12 |
batman |
ok. |
| 15:12 |
dsteinbrunner |
with a short deadline |
| 15:12 |
batman |
s/config/setup/ |
| 15:12 |
batman |
right. then heroku should be simple enough..? |
| 15:13 |
dsteinbrunner |
they seem expensive once you start scaling |
| 15:13 |
batman |
i totally agree. |
| 15:14 |
Adurah |
Just hope your users get fatter wallets whilst. |
| 15:14 |
batman |
the reason why $14 gives me what i need is 1) i don't have any visitors 2) i got cloudflare 3) i got many apps |
| 15:14 |
meshl |
batman: no, I am using CouchDB |
| 15:14 |
batman |
meshl: ok. |
| 15:15 |
meshl |
batman: Heroku is fine with non-blocking |
| 15:15 |
meshl |
(or what did you mean exactly?) |
| 15:15 |
batman |
meshl: yeah. they just added support |
| 15:15 |
batman |
..for non-blocking |
| 15:15 |
batman |
but it's not that long ago iirc |
| 15:16 |
meshl |
Heroku is expensive, but they are a dream when you don't want to combine your dev job with a sysadmin one... |
| 15:17 |
batman |
devop! |
| 15:17 |
batman |
meshl: i agree. |
| 15:17 |
meshl |
"git push heroku master" is the dream |
| 15:18 |
dsteinbrunner |
dot cloud ssl, 21.20 for one instance |
| 15:18 |
batman |
but i also don't want to pay as many dollars pr. month as i have users, just because i have many apps i'm experimenting with :) |
| 15:18 |
batman |
dsteinbrunner: i'm using cloudflare for ssl. |
| 15:19 |
meshl |
batman: did you setup ssl on AWS? |
| 15:20 |
batman |
meshl: i seriously can't remember now :( |
| 15:20 |
batman |
need to check :) |
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batman |
i guess i didn't, just to make the job easier to nsa... |
| 15:21 |
batman |
;) |
| 15:22 |
meshl |
:) |
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dsteinbrunner |
does that apply to just the stuff they are caching or am I able to run payment processing with it that is running on a different server? |
| 15:23 |
batman |
who are "they"? |
| 15:23 |
purl |
"they" are keeping you down. |
| 15:23 |
batman |
how typical :( |
| 15:23 |
dsteinbrunner |
cloudflare |
| 15:24 |
meshl |
just saw that i'd have to pay $20 a month for ssl on Heroku :( https://addons.heroku.com/ssl#endpoint |
| 15:24 |
batman |
you can run all your traffic through cloudflare, except websockets. |
| 15:25 |
batman |
[backend] <-- http <-- [cloudlflare] <-- https <-- [browser] |
| 15:26 |
meshl |
hmmmm, unless http://gal.steinitz.com/blog/2013/09/02/free-ssl-on-heroku/ |
| 15:31 |
meshl |
batman: so your sensitive data still travels unencrypted from Cloudflare to your backend? |
| 15:32 |
batman |
yes. |
| 15:32 |
batman |
but i don't do credit cards |
| 15:32 |
dsteinbrunner |
well it is a gig that I don't want to cut corners on but still what the monthly fees the customer will be paying to be reasonable |
| 15:33 |
batman |
meshl: not sure who's man in the middle between cloudflare and backend..? |
| 15:33 |
batman |
except u-s-of-a these days :/ |
| 15:33 |
meshl |
batman: right... |
| 15:35 |
batman |
meshl: if my site was popular, i would do ssl all the way. |
| 15:36 |
meshl |
ok |
| 15:43 |
sri |
at least obama has his priorities straight http://www.whitehouse.gov/turkey |
| 15:48 |
meshl |
will the voted turkey be the one he'll consume? |
| 15:49 |
dsteinbrunner |
what |
| 15:49 |
dsteinbrunner |
so we get to vote on which one dies? |
| 15:50 |
dsteinbrunner |
is this how the hunger games started? |
| 15:50 |
* sri |
nods |
| 15:51 |
dsteinbrunner |
thinking of walking to switzerland in protest |
| 15:52 |
dsteinbrunner |
the ocean will be difficult but that will make it that much more effective |
| 15:54 |
batman |
sri: haha |
| 16:35 |
kwa |
Is there a simple way to read a mojolicious config from a script that isn't mojo specifically? |
| 16:37 |
kwa |
sub app; local *app = sub { \$app }; use Mojo::Base -strict; $content # this is voodoo btw |
| 16:37 |
nic |
kwa: Someone mentioned the idea of using a dummy app to let you do taht |
| 16:37 |
sri |
http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Mojolicious/Guides/Cookbook#Application_embedding |
| 16:38 |
kwa |
Thanks sri |
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salparadise |
is there a way I can print the mojo useragent header without debugging or using Dumper? something like print $tx->req->prettyheader |
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batman |
$tx->req->headers->to_string ? |
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salparadise |
batman: yep, thanks |
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marcus |
hmm, padrino is pretty nice. We should steal some of their helpers :) |
| 22:26 |
marcus |
I'm amazed that they manage to maintain a multi-orm CRUD tool tho. |
| 22:39 |
batman |
which helpers? |
| 22:39 |
purl |
which helpers are bad? |
| 22:52 |
meshl |
I see Tag Helpers, Asset Helpers, Form Helpers and Text Helpers on http://www.padrinorb.com/ |
| 22:54 |
meshl |
After a quick review I don't feel bad using Mojolicious rather than Padrino... |
| 22:54 |
batman |
:) |
| 22:54 |
batman |
marcus is holding his cards close to his chest. |
| 22:55 |
sri |
GO HOME MARCUS YOU'RE DRUNK |
| 22:55 |
marcus |
wat? |
| 22:55 |
purl |
Watt? Watt? I can't hear you, there's this buzzing noise where my brain should be. |
| 22:55 |
batman |
i'm not putting my sherlock holmes hat on trying to figure out what he's saying |
| 22:56 |
marcus |
meshl: not saying you should switch :) |
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sri |
meshl: you should switch |
| 22:56 |
batman |
SRI! YOU SHOULD SWITCH! |
| 22:56 |
batman |
:D |
| 22:57 |
sri |
i should switch |
| 22:57 |
batman |
marcus: care to say what's inside your head? |
| 22:57 |
batman |
"some of their helpers" <-- at least some information is missing here imo... |
| 22:58 |
marcus |
http://www.padrinorb.com/guides/application-helpers |
| 22:59 |
sri |
you do realize we already have most of those |
| 23:00 |
marcus |
sri: Yes, I know we have many of them |
| 23:00 |
* batman |
gives up and goes to sleep |
| 23:01 |
sri |
whatever, knock yourself out, helpers cost nothing anymore... make as many helper plugins as you like |
| 23:02 |
* batman |
doesn't see anything interesting :( |
| 23:02 |
* sri |
is rather underwhelmed as well |
| 23:03 |
meshl |
I know I should... I studied switching in the past but switching is not my cup of tea anymore... (http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/mon1ps.gif) |
| 23:04 |
batman |
meshl++ |
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marcus |
reminds me that I should fix the wirc url detector not to include ) at the end of urls |
| 23:07 |
marcus |
sri: sorry if I'm being annoying. My brain might have turned into mush from too much exposure to ruby =] |
| 23:08 |
sri |
don't worry, i'm aware :) |
| 23:08 |
marcus |
I really like that new ruby hash syntax too. Why do they get all the shiny toys ? :-/ |
| 23:09 |
marcus |
(:foo => 'bar' ) to (foo: 'bar') |
| 23:09 |
marcus |
sri: have you played any with dokku btw? |
| 23:09 |
marcus |
I see it has build packs for perl as well. |
| 23:10 |
marcus |
asm89.github.io/2013/11/25/dokku-0.2.html |
| 23:10 |
sri |
nope |
| 23:12 |
marcus |
seems like good stable docker based PAAS solutions are just around the corner :) |
| 23:12 |
batman |
Marcus: I'm just surprised you haven't given us one example of a helper that is cool |
| 23:12 |
batman |
Ok... Yeah, that is annoying as well ^^^ |
| 23:15 |
Adurah |
But, does padrino have hamburger helper? |
| 23:18 |
meshl |
markus: thanks didn't know about dokku / docker... seems like it could reduce my costs pretty drastically... (using Heroku at the moment) |
| 23:19 |
meshl |
batman: wouldn't that solution be the way to have a nice setup on AWS, I mean one where we could do a sort of "git push heroku master"? |
| 23:19 |
marcus |
meshl: possibly. :) There's also flynn ( https://flynn.io/ ) |
| 23:21 |
meshl |
marcus: definitely worth tryin' - thanks |
| 23:21 |
sri |
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/wbraswell/perl-5-optimizing-compiler-rperl-v10 # is this some kind of inside joke? |
| 23:22 |
marcus |
http://rperl.org/ --- doesn't seem to be |
| 23:23 |
marcus |
awesome artwork as usual. |
| 23:24 |
sri |
http://rperl.org/the_book_of_rperl.html # say what? |
| 23:25 |
sri |
pretty sure it's a hoax gone wrong |
| 23:25 |
tianon |
lolwtf |
| 23:26 |
marcus |
or mental illness. |
| 23:26 |
purl |
well, mental illness is no fun. |
| 23:26 |
batman |
mesh: I'm using Toadfarm and github instead |
| 23:26 |
sri |
botsnack! |
| 23:26 |
purl |
:) |
| 23:28 |
batman |
I meant "meshl" ^^^ |
| 23:28 |
meshl |
batman: ok |
| 23:29 |
marcus |
batman: you're hosting on github now? :) |
| 23:29 |
marcus |
I thought you were on dotcloud |
| 23:29 |
meshl |
if RPerl is a joke, seems like *really* fancy one |
| 23:34 |
batman |
marcus: haven't used dotcloud since they went open source |
| 23:35 |
batman |
Just saying I don't want a bunch of devs being able to connect directly to the AWS. |
| 23:36 |
batman |
Bunch == 2. Two too many ;) |
| 23:36 |
batman |
So I'm using Toadfarm and github to deploy. |
| 23:36 |
meshl |
batman: Toadfarm seems cool... was the name inspired by some sort of "hypnotic" vision? |
| 23:37 |
batman |
Yes |
| 23:42 |
batman |
https://twitter.com/digitalocean/status/405399796770672640 |
| 23:43 |
meshl |
batman: your blog http://thorsen.pm/blog/ does not have a feed? |
| 23:44 |
batman |
It should. But there's no use following it :P |
| 23:44 |
batman |
Follow me on twitter instead :) @jhthorsen |
| 23:45 |
meshl |
ok |
| 23:45 |
batman |
Most of my blog is shit :P |
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sri |
no, follow me on twitter instead ;p |
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