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| 00:29 |
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| 00:30 |
sri |
i've fixed the snippets in the atom-mojo package btw... so all of my 5 users can update now ;p |
| 00:31 |
Akron |
No push updates via chrome-updates for plugins? ;) |
| 00:32 |
Akron |
That would be nice - I just have to follow the plugin on GitHub and whenever it's tagged It is pushed to me. |
| 00:32 |
sri |
don't think so, just a notification to hit the update button |
| 00:33 |
Akron |
Hm, well. Good enough. |
| 00:35 |
Akron |
Was just informed that I will give a talk on Mojolicious Plugins at te German Perl Workshop. Surprisingly it seems to be the only Mojo talk in march. |
| 00:35 |
sri |
\o/ |
| 00:35 |
Akron |
I am happy for any suggestions - it was a late submission so I have to hurry! :) |
| 00:36 |
sri |
maybe show assetpack, that stuff is not very common in the perl world |
| 00:38 |
sri |
or simple things like multiple renderers cooperating, also not common |
| 00:39 |
sri |
assets bundled with plugins |
| 00:39 |
Akron |
I wanted to make it more tutorial style. I never attended GPW, but there seems to be a focus on these kind of talks. So introducing Helper, Validator checks, Hooks, Shortcuts and Commands to create a simple plugin. But showcasing some nice existing plugins is a good idea. I also wanted to show some figures regarding the growing of the mojo ecosphere on cpan ... |
| 00:39 |
Akron |
Ah - multiple renders is great! Yeah! |
| 00:40 |
sri |
ah, then i won't even start with the non-blocking ideas :) |
| 00:40 |
Akron |
No - I always sruggle explaining it. ;) |
| 00:40 |
Akron |
And I'm doing it wrong myself all the time! |
| 00:41 |
Akron |
;) |
| 00:41 |
sri |
an explanation of this one should fill a talk https://gist.github.com/kraih/6082061 |
| 00:42 |
Akron |
However - mentioning these concepts is mandatory. |
| 00:43 |
Akron |
And it would heavily depend on the daytime of the talk. |
| 00:43 |
Akron |
"... and watch out for futures and promises and ... now enjoy your breakfast!" |
| 00:44 |
Akron |
Naaa ... |
| 00:44 |
sri |
Naaa ... |
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| 01:11 |
bpmedley |
http://liveperl.us/tutorials <-- Can I get some feedback on the expanded Tutorials? Basically all of them except "Hello World" were modified. |
| 01:13 |
bpmedley |
Akron: You can use my code to make some live demos: https://github.com/brianmed/liveperl.us |
| 01:19 |
Akron |
bpmedley++ That's a brillant idea! |
| 01:19 |
webart |
sri: converting from xml->json is silly but I want to do things with the data using javascript (d3 three raphael etc) with those js libs json as a data source generally works better |
| 01:20 |
bpmedley |
Akron: You might even be able to use the website itself, dunno. |
| 01:21 |
webart |
perl does a decent job converting with a one liner (stolen from a blogs.perl.org somewhere): |
| 01:21 |
webart |
perl -MJSON::Any -MXML::Simple -E'say JSON::Any->new()->objToJson(XMLin("some.xml"))' |
| 01:21 |
webart |
heh |
| 01:23 |
bpmedley |
The rapid visual feedback that morbo, auto saving, and auto refreshing provides with bootstrap is pretty cool. |
| 01:23 |
malicious |
dernit |
| 01:23 |
webart |
there's even a hint re: mojo at the bottom of the page: http://blogs.perl.org/users/jhannah_mutation_grid/2010/09/one-liner-xmlperljson.html |
| 01:23 |
malicious |
Net::XMPP is blocking |
| 01:23 |
malicious |
ARG |
| 01:24 |
bpmedley |
malicious: What are you trying to do? |
| 01:24 |
malicious |
use non-blocking requests |
| 01:24 |
bpmedley |
https://metacpan.org/pod/Mojo::IOLoop::ForkCall <-- This may help |
| 01:24 |
malicious |
but Net::XMPP ->Process blocks |
| 01:24 |
malicious |
fork is the devil |
| 01:25 |
malicious |
But I might try it |
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| 01:31 |
malicious |
huh |
| 01:31 |
malicious |
works like a charm |
| 01:31 |
malicious |
jberger++ |
| 01:32 |
Akron |
bpmedley: I think the problem would be showing how to write plugins in separated files. As plugins aren't supported in-file (using package XY ... package main ...) I may have to hack on your code for a presentation. |
| 01:33 |
bpmedley |
I see. I'm hoping to add file uploads and whatnot; however, that's a few weekends away - probably. |
| 01:34 |
bpmedley |
Akron: Did you try any of the tutorials besides Hello World? |
| 01:34 |
Akron |
But showing liveperl.us and using parts for a demo is a great idea. |
| 01:34 |
malikai |
heh.. sri, interested to hear how the vim module is |
| 01:35 |
bpmedley |
If app supported file uploads would you need anything else? |
| 01:35 |
malikai |
that would be the "taste" that gets me hooked |
| 01:36 |
malikai |
(or at least bridge for me to cross) |
| 01:36 |
Akron |
bpmeadley: I'm now going through all tutorials. |
| 01:36 |
bpmedley |
Sweet, thanks. Did you try editing the bootstrap html to get rapid feedback from the reloading iframe? |
| 01:37 |
Akron |
bpmedley: Don't know ... well - I would like to show cmmands - so please give us a shell! :-P |
| 01:38 |
bpmedley |
Hrmm. I'm not sure exactly how to do that with docker, although it's not out the realm of possibility. |
| 01:40 |
Akron |
bpmedley: Update takes quite a while here - but my internet connection is quite busy currently. |
| 01:40 |
bpmedley |
Understood. How long is quite a while? |
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| 01:41 |
malicious |
oh dear |
| 01:42 |
malicious |
jberger: Magic number checking on storable string failed at /.../Storable.pm line 417, at /.../Mojo/IOLoop/ForkCall.pm line 72. |
| 01:43 |
Akron |
bpmdley: ~6s. Not bad. |
| 01:43 |
Akron |
But maybe Bootstrap is a bit verbose for the tutorials ... don't know. |
| 01:44 |
bpmedley |
Akron: Hrmm. Could be - I need something to keep a user's interest. |
| 01:44 |
Akron |
Yeah - I agree. |
| 01:46 |
Akron |
To make thinks less verbose you could create a heavy-bootstrap layout - and just do the interesting stuff in the main template. |
| 01:46 |
bpmedley |
Ahh, I see what you mean by verbose. Yes; I need to focus the user's attention on what is changing. Templates would help with that. |
| 01:46 |
bpmedley |
Or, layouts rather. |
| 01:50 |
sri |
bpmedley: the html makes me go all TLDR |
| 01:51 |
bpmedley |
Ok, thanks for the feedback. I need to use Layouts, I think. |
| 01:53 |
Akron |
And I think without bootstrap at all you could show more interesting things in your code. |
| 01:54 |
bpmedley |
Before, there was no bootstrap and everything was barren and dull. Now, it's too verbose.. gaw. |
| 01:55 |
Akron |
;) Using a sensible global layout should be fine. |
| 01:56 |
* Akron |
doesn't like bootstrap anymore ... to be honest. |
| 01:56 |
bpmedley |
What would you suggest? |
| 01:57 |
Akron |
Plain html and a global decent styling. |
| 01:57 |
bpmedley |
I'm still learning styling. |
| 01:58 |
Akron |
Oh - and is the description of the placeholder tutorial correct? param shouldn't be able to access path placeholders as far as I remember ... |
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| 02:03 |
Akron |
And I think some parts in the tutorials are non-necessarily redundant, like the $project_name pattern. |
| 02:03 |
bpmedley |
I agree on that point. |
| 02:04 |
Akron |
The session example is nice and on the point. |
| 02:06 |
Akron |
The under example as well. |
| 02:09 |
bpmedley |
Akron: How is the Stash and templates tutorial now? |
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| 02:10 |
Akron |
In the websockets example there may be a more interesting response processing - like making everything capital or leetspeeching it using tr///. ;) |
| 02:10 |
bpmedley |
Good idea! |
| 02:11 |
bpmedley |
http://liveperl.us/tutorial/stash <-- is the example small enough to read? |
| 02:13 |
Akron |
Better! You could ignore the indenting and possibly store more in another template using "include", but it's definately better to understand now. |
| 02:14 |
bpmedley |
I wanted to show the difference between manual <h4> and programmatic. |
| 02:14 |
Akron |
The description could be more MVC style - the stash is a pretty complex concept, so sri wouldn't agree that it is used to pass data to templates I guess. ;) |
| 02:14 |
bpmedley |
I believe I copied 'n pasted the description from the mojolicious::lite perldoc. |
| 02:14 |
Akron |
Why is the difference important? |
| 02:15 |
Akron |
Really? |
| 02:15 |
Akron |
Oh ... okay - then forget what I said! ;) |
| 02:16 |
bpmedley |
I dunno why the difference is important. I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of someone that knows HTML and another programming languag, or a total newbie. |
| 02:17 |
sri |
Akron: yea, i wrote that sentence originally :p |
| 02:18 |
Akron |
sri: And you agree with yourself? ;) |
| 02:18 |
malikai |
if you don't agree with yourself, who can you agree with? |
| 02:18 |
Akron |
If you are married, the answer is simple .. |
| 02:19 |
malikai |
:nobody |
| 02:20 |
Akron |
bpmedley: Maybe you are right and it matters. |
| 02:20 |
bpmedley |
We're probably both wrong.. :P |
| 02:22 |
Akron |
:) |
| 02:22 |
Akron |
Anyway - that's a damn cool thing! Thanks for your effort you are putting into this! bpmedley++ |
| 02:23 |
bpmedley |
You're welcome. Thanks for perusing: Akron++. |
| 02:23 |
Akron |
You're welcome! Any non-robot germans now have to go to bed ... so ... bye everyone! |
| 02:25 |
webart |
for a "DOM walker" mojo does a fantastic job ... I don't even need XML::XPath and the like .... |
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| 02:30 |
sri |
webart: i doubt xml to json transformation will ever be considered a valid use case for mojolicious |
| 02:31 |
webart |
mojo get http://localhost/transactions-by-month.xml 'transaction value' | perl -MJSON::Any -MXML::Simple -E'say JSON::Any->objToJson(XMLin("-"))' almost works :) |
| 02:31 |
webart |
sri: agreed but ... just proves how deeply good mojo is |
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webart |
sri: like a sewing awl on a swiss army knife ... not the main reason to have a SAK but works when you need it ;-) cheers |
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| 02:54 |
bpmedley |
All bootstrap tutorials updated with Layouts. |
| 02:54 |
webart |
(btw for it to replace other munging scripts I have the only thing missing from the mojo commandline "client" is a -w --wrap switch) |
| 02:56 |
webart |
(that way something like mojo get -w localsection http://localhost/file.xml 'catalogitem' |
| 02:56 |
webart |
would spit out <localsection><catalogitem>Swiss Army Knife</catalog></localsection> |
| 02:56 |
webart |
but I see your point ;-) |
| 03:04 |
jnbek |
is there a plugin for Template::Alloy ? |
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sri |
lets do something hilariously awful... just because we can... perl -Mojo -E 'my $dom = g("mojolicio.us")->dom; $dom->all_contents->each(sub { $_->tree->[$_->node eq "tag" ? 3 : 2] = undef }); say j($dom->tree)' |
| 03:08 |
* sri |
murdered a tree |
| 03:13 |
sri |
webart: that's what you get when your only requirement is "xml -> json" without any sort of spec |
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webart |
8-) |
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jberger_ |
malicious: I have seen that error on occasion |
| 06:22 |
jberger_ |
Try upgrading Storable |
| 06:23 |
jberger_ |
If that doesn't work try another serializer, that is totally replaceable |
| 06:23 |
jberger_ |
If that doesn't work let me know |
| 06:24 |
jberger_ |
Oh and if you are on cygwin, well, it's a work in progress |
| 06:26 |
jberger_ |
I have a dev release out which I hope will fix cygwin, but there have been no tester reports yet |
| 06:27 |
* jberger_ |
returns to his regularly scheduled blissful warmth |
| 06:28 |
sri |
fighting with the atom documentation made me realize how important a class index is |
| 06:28 |
sri |
wonder how to render a class hierarchy with pod |
| 06:33 |
sri |
when i look at mojolicious, i mostly see a class hierarchy, maybe i should try making others see it the same way |
| 06:46 |
sri |
only downside... the list is kinda big |
| 06:46 |
sri |
but i got it rendered in pod |
| 06:47 |
crab |
is this atom thing nice? |
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good_news_everyone |
[mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/QokuvA |
| 06:57 |
good_news_everyone |
mojo/master db45a2e Sebastian Riedel: added class hierarchy to guides |
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sri |
not sure how useful that is... considering its size http://mojolicio.us/perldoc#REFERENCE |
| 07:00 |
sri |
i've also tried merging the highlights section into the class hierarchy, but it gets unreadable |
| 07:00 |
crab |
it's not too bad. |
| 07:01 |
crab |
yes, don't merge |
| 07:03 |
sri |
the atom thing is very nice |
| 07:04 |
sri |
a few rough edges, but i already like it a lot more than sublime text |
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batman |
maybe *someone* should make a plugin to metacpan that could show class hierarchies... |
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batman |
is there a clever way to convert relative href="" to absolute url when parsing $tx->res->dom? |
| 12:06 |
batman |
(i don't know up front if the href="" is relative or absolute) |
| 12:11 |
batman |
http://p.thorsen.pm/6a72e08bc890 # this is what i'm currently doing |
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batman |
anyone here who has a thinkpad x240? i'm trying to combine my knowledge here about how to hate it less: https://github.com/jhthorsen/thinkpad-helper |
| 13:12 |
crab |
hate it less |
| 13:13 |
batman |
crab: yes? |
| 13:13 |
purl |
it has been said that yes is the answer to the latest question |
| 13:15 |
crab |
nothing. something about the phrasing just struck me as odd. |
| 13:16 |
batman |
crab: you don't own a x240, do you..? :( |
| 13:18 |
crab |
no. t430s. |
| 13:18 |
crab |
i had to make many of the same changes you're doing in your script though. |
| 13:18 |
crab |
but once i did, especially the powersave stuff (using tlp, which i assume you know about?), i am very happy with it. |
| 13:19 |
batman |
yeah. tlp made it worse. not sure why :( |
| 13:20 |
crab |
weird. but it got me down to 8W running usage at reasonable screen brightness. |
| 13:20 |
batman |
i used "powertop --html" instead |
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batman |
i don't get how to get proper stats when having two batteries |
| 13:28 |
batman |
upower -d|grep -i energy-rate # not too bad...around 8.3W |
| 13:28 |
batman |
i mean. the app. 8.3W might not be very good :) |
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batman |
crab: the worst thing is the clickpad btw. don't get why lenovo changed to it :( |
| 13:35 |
batman |
guess it's "hip" |
| 13:56 |
crab |
i don't know what a clickpad is. i guess i should be happy? |
| 13:57 |
batman |
yeah, hehe |
| 13:57 |
crab |
oh, is it the thing without physical buttons? |
| 13:57 |
crab |
that was a major factor in my model selection... there were models that were newer/lighter/battery-er than the t430s but none of them had physical mousey buttons |
| 13:58 |
batman |
it's what the macbook has. just that the lenovo is awful and the macbook is just a thing to get used to :) |
| 13:58 |
batman |
yeah: no physical buttons |
| 13:58 |
batman |
i've managed to get it working pretty well, but i still miss my trackpoint. |
| 13:59 |
batman |
i have a trackpoint, but i can't make scrolling work like i had with my x201 |
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* malicious |
likes the existence of the class reference in the pod |
| 14:51 |
malicious |
would have helped me out a lot early on |
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bpmedley |
http://pearls.liveperl.us/tutorial/stash <-- Is this minimal enough so the user can figure out what is going on? It's geared towards a tutorial where someone new to Mojo can tinker. |
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* batman |
still thinks it's too much |
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good_news_everyone |
mojo/master 56afdcd Sebastian Riedel: fixed a few errors in the class hierarchy |
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sri |
bpmedley: too much, and i *hate* the push @{app->static->paths} part |
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sri |
if you have to use bootstrap, at least use absolute urls in the template and don't mess with the app |
| 17:54 |
sri |
that stuff is really distracting |
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bpmedley |
Hrmm. Ok. The reason I have to modify the path is due to docker; however, there may be a workaround such as using their cdn. |
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good_news_everyone |
mojo/master e3d58c1 Sebastian Riedel: use square list style |
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sri |
bpmedley: btw. if you're still looking for ways to polish the design... i like jsfiddle a lot http://jsfiddle.net/ |
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sri |
especially the code boxes |
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bpmedley |
sri: They do have a compact, nice design. |
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