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IRC log for #mojo, 2014-04-14

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02:08 cmihai Hm.. I'm getting a lot of 'Subroutine My::Module::has redefined at Mojo/Base.pm line 35' when using "$self->plugin('PODRenderer');" in my code. And in Base.pm it's only in =pod (twice though). podchecker / perldoc don't have this issue though.
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02:22 jberger cmihai: please post a minimal example.
02:23 jberger note that (almost) all mojolicious modules, including the plugins, inherit from Mojo::Base
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03:53 asarch Is there any module to automate CRUD operations in the models?
03:53 asarch Something ala Django's contrib modules?
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04:53 tempire batman: I downloaded it around new years
04:53 tempire I remember seeing it somewhere, and then waiting for it to be released.
04:54 tempire batman: also, thanks for Mojo::APNS. Saved me quite a bit of time wondering how to use APNS.
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05:19 batman tempire: that's awesome :)
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05:45 Guest-quest hi, sorry and please help me. On Mojolicious I want to run some code for long time on forked child but the parent process must $c->render(text=>'Running...') at once
05:46 Guest-quest I cant Mojo::IOLoop::ForkCall
05:47 Guest-quest On Mojolicious::Lite test Mojo::IOLoop::ForkCall is works
05:49 Guest-quest but on Mojolicious Mojo::IOLoop::ForkCall cant work i.e. parent process waiting the finish of child process
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06:12 batman Guest-quest: it's not the way to solve your problem.
06:12 batman there's no way to guaranty that the child won't get killed
06:13 batman please provide a small example if you want more help
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06:16 Guest-quest batman: I want fork long process and parent no wait the child
06:17 Guest-quest i.e.user request no wait
06:17 batman yeah, i got that.
06:17 batman and i'm saying that your design is no good. you need another long process worker
06:18 batman a completely different daemon
06:18 Guest-quest may be, Ill think
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06:19 batman Guest-quest: not "maybe". i think #mojo people have probably answered the same problem 1000 times.
06:20 Guest-quest but why Mojoliciuos::Lite is work for this?
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06:36 batman you're wrong. it doesn't matter
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07:02 s everything kinda works.
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07:04 s even this poem.
07:07 s still working on this here https://github.com/st3vil/stylehouse
07:07 s it would eventually get us round the babylon problem for code projects
07:09 s if this was the Sims, forking a process, seeing data as you hook up the tubes, meaningfull organic intellect storage
07:09 s would be like throwing toys around in a modulated molecular space
07:10 s coding these words down to a point in the pyramid of technology, then making them work as this new layer
07:11 s language is key. most of it isn't text, or only implied by text.
07:12 s Guest-quest: might be faster to help me with this for a day and then see what it can do for you
07:12 s I've been going hard out for weeks and I would really appreciate some other people
07:14 s Guest-quest: I've got IOLoop::Delay working somewhere and it's almost the same thing
07:15 s Mojo::IOLoop::Delay - trying different things
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07:19 Guest-quest s: Ill see
07:21 s don't touch the look if it's running of course, just create the object and steps it and let it float off into existence
07:21 Guest-quest its difficult for me)
07:22 s yeah it's like that for everyone we just don't talk about it enough
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07:25 s sweet name
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07:47 s good work anyway bro
07:48 Guest-quest where?
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10:23 s beige marble slabs litter my room like giant oats
10:36 crab do they impede your movement?
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12:01 nic not sure if that's a cry for help
12:02 crab well, the subsequent silence is troubling. but perhaps someone with giant marble oats would be too busy enjoying their company to irc.
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12:05 s turning into a writer when you're stuck amongst strange things
12:05 s help!
12:05 s with this! git@github.com:st3vil/stylehouse.git
12:06 s I just got up to nearly having a sheet of code on the screen but not quite
12:07 s this'll all get easier if it gets presented more interestingly
12:07 s with breakpoints more like pictures
12:07 s and lots of exploring data sprawls really well
12:08 crab i'm sorry, but now that you have mentioned the giant marble oats, i can't focus on anything else.
12:08 s will be the ticket. I bet you $5.
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12:08 s anyway gotta sleep
12:08 s but yeah the future's right there I'd love help with it
12:09 s good night!
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14:40 batman jberger: about mandel... i'm thinking maybe we should have some way of describing which information to duplicate between related documents
14:40 batman like if a $blog has an $author, then you might want to keep the $author->name available in the $blog document to render the $blog faster...
14:41 batman so when you do $blog->author($author); then some data from the $author is saved back to $blog
14:41 batman do i make any sense?
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17:14 sri https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT6yjrLe4_U # :)
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19:22 cmihai Does Mojo cache requests by default? I'm trying to figure out why some static requests (ex: public/) fail every now and then, after sitting idle.
19:36 cmihai POST requests seem to suffer the most.
19:40 cmihai So.. after about 15 seconds, first requests won't get parameters populated.. than it's OK... etc.
19:48 cmihai Hm... looks like publishing the page isn't the problem, stashing seems to fail for some reason.
20:00 batman cmihai: no. it does not. mojo cache templates.
20:01 batman do you have nginx, varnish, or something else infront? maybe *it* does caching
20:07 cmihai Nope. But I was doing a ' $self->ua->get($url, $headers)' on '/mockup/json-request' (found in public).
20:08 cmihai Problem seems to go away when I place my mockup on apache, oddly enough.,
20:08 cmihai (I assume I should be using render_static for this, but that's mainly just a mock response from the webservice). Oh well.
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22:54 s can I get unbanned from #perl? I was being moses instead of being moses
22:54 s but I don't give a shit about saving you guys any more I just want to hang around
22:54 s bbl throwing plants around
23:03 sri s: are you a bot?
23:03 purl Just don't ask me what I'd do if I saw a turtle on its back.
23:09 sri this stuff really confuses me... i'm not a native english speaker though http://irclog.perlgeek.de/mojo/2014-04-14#i_8583357
23:15 tempire what confused you?
23:25 sri tempire: so you understand what he's saying?
23:25 sri to me it's word soup
23:27 tempire just that phrase?
23:27 sri i was asking if "s" is a bot because it reminded me of GumbyBRAIN
23:27 sri tempire: the whole block
23:28 tempire oh, yeah.
23:28 tempire some sense, which random phrases.
23:28 tempire not a native thing, just soup.
23:28 tempire *with random phrases thrown in
23:29 Adurah It's like he's being translated through some ACME module.
23:34 s it's like I've been translated through the essential curve of language
23:34 s and I'm now trying to tidy things up so we can stop fucking around with code and stack traces
23:34 s and get high (er)
23:35 s not a bot but humans are so strange
23:35 s but really, everything kinda works.
23:35 s and nothing really works, because there's no tribal belief system out there.
23:36 s only disparate opposites of tribal success and tiny personal successes
23:36 s that's why it's a headfuck. it goes against all your "programming".
23:36 s but anyway! cheers fellas and gellas.
23:38 s tribal system means having enough rationale somewhere for the lifeform to continue for ever.
23:38 s which we don't have right now and it's really crazy that we are doing half of the shit we are doing while we wait for someone to solve babylon.
23:39 s but the trick is waging culture against emptiness... and build a pub by your hands...
23:39 s I honestly truly believe this kind of thing is important to know, most of you seem like great leaders.
23:39 s most of us, so to speak.
23:39 sri s: ok, please stay on topic
23:39 s we all knew it was going to come from around here somewhere.
23:40 s it's kinda the gut feeling supertopic of all topics right now
23:40 Adurah s is commentary on Perl syntax.
23:40 s sri: ok
23:40 s exactly!
23:41 s a few curves is all you need
23:41 s everyone should try art and then come back to mojolicious whatevering and see how you think different...
23:41 s oh yeah I've got some mojo somewhere around here
23:42 s https://github.com/st3vil/stylehouse
23:42 s how I'm trying to do it ^ I'm up to putting code in Codo
23:42 s which is miles behind my philosophy and writing code is really frustrating
23:42 s but after this is all gets very easy
23:42 s cos it's all about the labscape you are running your eyes around while doing your thing
23:43 s FENG SHUI
23:43 purl hmmm... FENG SHUI is chinese way of ordering things in rooms/houses for most harmony. or http://sinfest.net/d/20010914.html
23:43 s haha!
23:43 s told ya.
23:45 s I'm not one of those maths-all-the-way types
23:46 s I really want to recruit people! this is important believe me
23:46 s I mean the code is out there all that's stopping you is your social programming
23:46 s but this transcends everything because it's what the world is waiting for.

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