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03:01 hesco https://gist.github.com/hesco/05b03e5c63951678d254
03:01 hesco Can anyone clue me in please how it is I am misusing the AccessLog plugin for Mojo?
03:17 hesco I need to expose the Referrer in my logs, and have so far tried:  $self->plugin( AccessLog => { log => 'path', format => ' . . . "%{Referer}i" . . . ' }); and $headers->referrer, where isa_ok($headers, 'Mojo::Headers');  But neither seems to work for me.  Further details in the gist paste above.
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03:22 jberger hesco: of course that plugin is not a core plugin, so most of us probably cannot help, though perhaps there is another user here
03:22 jberger graf: ping ^^
03:30 hesco jberger: the AccessLog plugin is not core, but Mojo::Headers is.  Any idea why that method would not be working?
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04:36 hesco .
04:41 hesco Any hope that this might work?  $self->tx->req->headers->referrer
04:44 hesco still nothing.
04:44 purl nothing is locked down
04:49 hesco [Mon Aug 11 00:43:59 2014] [debug] TRACE: entering ->please_check_back_soon(), mode: dev, for: 68.230.170.174, referred by:
04:49 hesco no referrer
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05:09 hesco I'm thinking that the site I put the link on may not be passing the referrer header.  I added links to other sites whose logs I can access and tried again, but apache failed to add the referrer to the logs as well.
05:39 Adura Site...?
05:39 purl site is -responding- so downforeveryoneorjustme.com isn't really helful.
05:39 Adura Or, client?
05:39 purl client is an app.
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06:05 py hello sri. what do you think to make the "retry" feature for "Mojo::UserAgent"?
06:08 py if you think it's all right, i'm willing to implement it.
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06:36 batman py: what would it do? I mean, how would the API look like?
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06:36 batman py: what would it do? I mean, how would the API look like?
06:37 batman Could you make a paste with fake code?
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06:48 batman i can't really see how a retry() method could be 1) generic enough 2) useful enough among a broader audience
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06:53 py :) good to see someone's here.
06:53 py i ask it for my friend since he's in an island and is not able to connect to this IRC.
06:53 py i think he wants some features like: my $tx = $ua->get('http://example.com' => {retry => 3} => 'Hi!'); then "Mojo::UserAgent" will try maximum 3 times to get the page.
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07:01 batman pretty sure that won't happen :/
07:02 py why? don't you think sometimes it's really useful?
07:03 batman py: i don't have final vote though...
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07:03 batman py: it's a struggle communicating with you, when you quit all the time
07:04 py :) never mind batman. i'm just a messenger that convey my friend's idea.
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07:13 py Does anyone else want the "retry" feature?
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07:15 py i think it at least provides a choice for users in the situation when RETRY is needed.
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09:36 good_news_everyon [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/Jv2ONg
09:36 good_news_everyon mojo/master f5b6b08 Sebastian Riedel: fixed bug in Mojolicious::Routes::Match where placeholder values got merged too early (closes #667)
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09:50 good_news_everyon [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/rNuYYg
09:50 good_news_everyon mojo/master 175cc94 Sebastian Riedel: localize placeholder values and merge early again
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10:09 noganex_ mh... i've got an object i'll need in several controller classes. is there a builtin way to share it amongst them as attributes or do i have to write some kind of singleton?
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10:13 noganex_ nevermind. i've just put it in the app. :)
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10:57 Jonis noganex_: $self->attr(name => sub { })
10:57 Jonis in the app
10:59 sri Jonis: you're so old school :)
10:59 sri has name => sub {...};
10:59 Jonis :D
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11:10 Jonis we have any idea about where next mojoconf might be? :)
11:10 sri we do :)
11:11 sri but stuff is still being worked out... so we keep it secret for now
11:11 Jonis :D
11:11 Jonis nice
11:12 Jonis hope it's somewhere with a lot of good beer
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11:18 odc wine is fine too!
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11:44 Jonis odc: that it is.
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11:47 lb sri: we do?
11:49 sri lb: i guess not really
11:49 odc i bet it's gonna be in germany this time
11:50 lb i didn't know it was a secret :)
11:50 bjoernfan Germany would be nice. :)
11:50 sri i've not seen a german proposal yet
11:50 lb for very northern values of german
11:51 Jonis Anything is cheaper than Oslo ;)
11:51 bjoernfan sri: Are the proposals public? As in, where have you seen proposals from, if you don't mind me asking?
11:53 sri bjoernfan: afraid not... "proposal" is also a pretty generous term... it's mostly just ideas and rumours floating around
11:53 Jonis Loosely defined rumours
11:53 Jonis 'maybe europe someplace'
11:53 bjoernfan Wildly believed facts.
11:54 sri i guess oslo.pm gets to pick the proposal
11:54 lb (full disclosure: we suggested it could be fun to host mojoconf in copenhagen, nobody disagreed, and we have the experience to host perl events)
11:54 Jonis ....., I choose you!
11:55 lb but it obviously hasn't been announced or even fully decided yet
11:55 Jonis mhmm, Mikeller
11:55 sri in any case... marcus is the one with the plan :o
11:55 bjoernfan Copenhagen sounds nice, don't think the beer is as cheap as in Germany though. :)
11:56 sri lb: if you feel like there's a lack of organization or some other problem please don't hesitate to poke me, i'll figure something out then
11:56 lb we've never been accused of having cheap beer
11:56 lb sri: we're in no particular hurry :)
11:56 * sri has currently no clue how a mojoconf proposal gets picked
11:56 lb i think it's currently on the "that sounds cool" level
11:57 sri tempire: you might want to get in on this!
11:57 lb marcus already told me to ask salve for the oslo.pm money ;)
12:05 bjoernfan I'm so looking forward to pay premium money for a premium kick-ass pink glittery rainbow unicorn raptor t-shirt.
12:07 Jonis :D
12:08 Jonis I want a mojolicious rainbow sticker
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12:15 Jonis have we got a rainbow mojolicious unicorn raptor logo in  a proper format?
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12:22 sri don't think so
12:22 sri there was a t-shirt once btw. ;p http://media.tumblr.com/f062a90116b7e753c763e778fa659b13/tumblr_inline_miam57dxQw1qz4rgp.png
12:24 sri think only one of those sold :o
12:24 Jonis !
12:24 Jonis have we got a file of the raptor and mojolicious logo then? :D
12:24 Jonis easily combined
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12:25 sri https://github.com/kraih/perl-raptor
12:25 Jonis ah, nice
12:26 Jonis gotta stick the rainbow and the text in there and it's good
12:26 sri i have everything in vector format, but no cleaned up files for releasing
12:26 Jonis ah, ok
12:28 sri although, i think the uniraptor vector files got a little damaged converting formats
12:29 sri right, the glow of the horn got lost and needs to be redrawn :S
12:38 hesco I'm seeking help propogating the referrer header to the logs.  Some of my tests are documented here:  https://gist.github.com/hesco/05b03e5c63951678d254  Can anyone here please provide guidance?
12:51 Jonis http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Mojo/Headers#referrer
12:52 Jonis you're looking for $t->tx->req->headers->referrer($referrer)
12:52 Jonis I think
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12:53 good_news_everyon [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/H4ADEA
12:53 good_news_everyon mojo/master 6ee85f2 Sebastian Riedel: more diverse example headers
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12:53 Jonis :)
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12:55 good_news_everyon mojo/master c6b5c8a Sebastian Riedel: use Accept header in get command example too
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12:55 Kripton hesco: try
12:55 Kripton my $result = $ua->get('www.google.com');
12:56 Kripton say $result->res->content->headers->{headers};
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13:55 hesco thanks Kripton: trying that now.
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14:21 hesco Kripton: I have tried multiple variations on your suggestion, but without success.  I'm assuming you were suggesting that I use your code snippets as part of the setup for my existing test.  Did I misread you on that?
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14:22 hesco dumping those headers from the ->get('google.com') gave me headers (without a referrer) and did not seem to affect the subseqent call to ->get_ok('/') from my own application.
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14:26 good_news_everyon [mojo] kraih tagged v5.27 at ce985e9: http://git.io/wiqdMw
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14:27 good_news_everyon [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/sG6fJw
14:27 good_news_everyon mojo/master 33b8794 Sebastian Riedel: bump version
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14:35 good_news_everyon mojo/master 5c4687d Sebastian Riedel: a few more nested helper tests
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15:00 marcus plan? We don't need no stinkin' plan!
15:00 sri a wild marcus appears
15:00 hesco just tested one of my apps with an upgrade from Mojo 4.92 to 5.26 and it shows no regression with a test suite which provides almost ok coverage.  FYI.
15:00 hesco out for errands, back when I can on this referrer issue.
15:00 marcus straight out of the russian wilderness.
15:01 Kripton hesco: maybe i misunderstood what do you mean by server referer
15:02 Kripton i use something like this
15:02 Kripton my $headers = {'Referer' => 'www.previous.com'};
15:02 Kripton my $content = $ua->get('www.google.com' => $headers);
15:04 Kripton this will send the correct headers, and should appear on the logs
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15:21 sri helper performance now measured with n blocks https://gist.github.com/anonymous/0de87d1408f5e98707a1
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15:45 lb does a wild marcus shit in the wood?
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16:35 tempire sri: We're the ones who pick
16:35 tempire The core team.
16:35 purl the core team is already basically oversight
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16:37 tempire In accordance to what Salve said. His intent was pretty much to make this a self-sustaining thing.
16:37 tempire So, I suppose we should have a way for people to submit proposals.
16:38 tempire And then an acceptance procedure.
16:38 tempire Which can just be a vote.
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17:24 sri tempire: sounds sensible
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17:41 * lb downs tools
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18:20 jamesaxl hello
18:20 purl que tal, jamesaxl.
18:21 jamesaxl what do you think about creating a module of restful which will be used with mojolicious ?
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18:31 * marcus just found Thruk. Phears
18:31 rofl_ marty: nagios?
18:31 purl i guess nagios is cool or at http://www.nagios.org or the child of netsaint or the possessor of a nice WAP interface or a learning terrain rather than a single curve
18:31 rofl_ marty:
18:31 rofl_ marcus:
18:31 rofl_ damn
18:31 rofl_ how hard
18:32 marcus rofl_: ya, nagios gui in catalyst and pretty much the rest of cpan? :)
18:32 rofl_ marcus: whats not to like? :)
18:32 marcus rofl_: are you using it?
18:32 rofl_ at least better than the old nagios webinterface
18:32 rofl_ marcus: we have started using it yes
18:33 rofl_ Naemon ships with it
18:33 marcus Yeah, that's how I found it.
18:33 marcus Someone tweeted about Naemon, which looked neat, and I wanted to look at their web interface
18:33 rofl_ yeah
18:33 rofl_ drama in the nagios scene
18:33 rofl_ so ericsson created naemon
18:33 rofl_ he wrote most of the code for nagios4 anyways
18:34 jamesaxl what do you think about creating a module of restful which will be used with mojolicious ?
18:35 marcus jamesaxl: I've no idea what that means
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18:36 marcus rofl_: naemon looks nice
18:36 jamesaxl marcus: do you know restful API ?
18:36 rofl_ no rest for the wicked
18:36 marcus Guess not then
18:37 jamesaxl rofl_: slam you with trout
18:37 rofl_ :(
18:37 marcus jamesaxl: try to explain what you want that mojolicious doesn't provide out of the box?
18:37 jamesaxl rofl_: i am just kidding
18:38 sri Bender: trust marcus
18:38 Bender OK, sri
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18:38 rofl_ in marcus we trust
18:38 marcus suckers :)
18:39 jamesaxl marcus: i would like to crate a module for Mojo which will help user to create a rest full API, i knew that every user can create a restful API with any model, but this module will help to connect with database(generic)
18:39 marcus jamesaxl: the database(generic) part sounds very hard :p
18:39 marcus rofl_: I just realized I fell out of your channel.
18:40 rofl_ marcus:O
18:40 rofl_ marcus: then we'd tell you about naemon earlier ;)
18:41 marcus ya, not being there is not good.
18:41 jamesaxl marcus: not a lot, this is an example https://flask-restless.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ + http://flask-restful.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
18:42 jamesaxl marcus: i would like to do 2 in 1 for Mojo of course
18:42 marcus jamesaxl: so when you mean 'database(generic)' you really mean 'orm(specific)'. Which one did you have in mind?
18:44 jamesaxl marcus: nop, could you take a look in flask-restless , that's what i would like to include
18:45 marcus jamesaxl: Yeah, it ties together flask and  SQLAlchemy ?
18:46 jamesaxl marcus: yep , and for mojo, it will be better to tie it with ORM that you recommend
18:47 sri i so wish we had more beginner resources to point people at :c
18:47 marcus i'm sure sri would like to see something like this for Mango.
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18:48 jamesaxl sri: are you interested ?
18:49 sri i think that's our weak spot atm
18:49 sri jamesaxl: nope, sorry
18:50 jamesaxl marcus: how about you ?
18:50 purl i think you is what you am
18:51 neilhwatson sri: I might have time to slowing write some beginner examples. What did you have in mind?
18:51 jamesaxl what do you recommend as ORM fro Mojo ?
18:51 sri honestly, i'm not interested in any kind of intermediate api atm. I WANT MORE APPS!!!1
18:52 sri neilhwatson: this http://blog.miguelgrinberg.com/post/the-flask-mega-tutorial-part-i-hello-world
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18:53 neilhwatson That would be fun and I'd learn more about Mojo and Perl.
18:53 * sri does his best Ballmer impression APPS APPS APPS APPS APPS APPS APPS APPS APPS APPS...
18:54 rofl_ Dont worry, be app'y!
18:55 jamesaxl sri: which kind of APP? blogs .... ?
18:56 neilhwatson sri: I've just finished a bunch CFEngine blog posts, might be nice to do a different subject. I would need you or another team member to proof the work.
18:56 sri blogs, forums... whatever... i don't care as long as you go all the way
18:56 sri we need more apps as polished as Convos
18:57 neilhwatson My own Delta Reporting is comming along, but its audience is small.
19:12 TitanOfOld Hmm, I'm working on a mining app for EVE Online.
19:13 TitanOfOld It's fun because it needs to be compatible with Chrome 3.0. Not a typo.
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19:21 batman jamesaxl: have you seen my https://metacpan.org/pod/Cookieville ?
19:22 batman sri: i made an app that can be used for "evil". no idea how to open source it :/
19:22 batman this weekend ^
19:24 sri batman: https://github.com/kraih/mojo/blob/master/lib/Mojo/IOLoop.pm#L4
19:25 batman that's true, but still... :(
19:25 batman a friend of mine said the same thing :)
19:25 batman maybe i'll ask marcus some day we're in the same room
19:25 batman it was super fast to throw it together, using Mojolicious::Plugin::Boostrap3
19:26 batman not even sure if i bother to tweak it, hehe
19:26 sri when i say apps, i mean those that are good enough to have their own website
19:26 jamesaxl batman: 1st time. I am interested though
19:26 marcus App::Deathray?
19:27 batman nah. it has an obscure name :)
19:27 batman jamesaxl: feedback wanted!
19:27 batman i do so much lone programming. there should always be two when programming.
19:28 batman a master and an apprentice ;)
19:28 neilhwatson You want an intern.
19:29 batman not sure i do :/
19:31 marcus It seems we'll be hacking on wednesday, batman.
19:36 batman i see awesomeness ahead ❤
19:37 jnbek Master's Apprentices
19:37 sri but seriously, those flask docs are so good
19:37 * jnbek now much listen to Opeth...
19:37 jnbek thanks batman :-P
19:37 jnbek too bad I can't type in proper grammar though...
19:37 batman jnbek: huh?
19:38 batman *afk*
19:38 batman jnbek: pleas tell me why you said "thanks" even if i'm not here
19:39 jnbek <batman> a master and an apprentice ;) <<---- this quote made me think of Master's Apprentices, which is both a 70s Prog Rock band and the title of an Opeth song. I've had this Dave Mathews song playing in my head and it was time for a change
19:40 jnbek so I'm thanking you for the inspiration for a new song to get stuck in my head :D
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20:08 sri \o\
20:08 sri /o/
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20:10 marcus dancing baby
20:12 sri marcus: i think you're the only one who has not commented on nested helpers :o
20:12 marcus sri: They were already released when I came back from Russia.
20:13 sri you could still say +1 and share the blame ;)
20:14 marcus +1 # solidarity forever
20:14 sri \o/
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20:27 mst batman-- # just made me rewrite a chunk of ExtUtils::MakeMaker with great hatred
20:27 mst batman++ # submitted a test case so I know that my hatred was both justified and productive
20:27 mst batman++ # NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA I HATE FUCKING MONDAYS
20:30 marcus seems batman ended up ahead.
20:30 marcus mst: What did you fix in makemaker?
20:30 mst parsing of 'BEGIN { $VERSION = 1.23 }'
20:31 mst basically by rewriting the version parsing code because it was a bag of dicks
20:39 batman jnbek: hehe, you're welcome :)
20:40 batman mst: which batman?
20:42 batman oh.
20:42 batman me.
20:42 * batman doing stuff i can't remember
20:43 batman why the f*** did this bubble up now mst ?
20:43 * batman need to get some sleep
20:43 batman sri: yeah, i know it seems like i sleep a lot, but yesterday the neighbor decided to throw a party from 3am to...forever :(
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20:44 hesco .
20:45 hesco .
20:46 batman mst: i <3 you to :)
20:47 * batman zzz
20:47 batman marcus: https://github.com/Perl-Toolchain-Gang/ExtUtils-MakeMaker/pull/135
20:53 sri batman: stop slacking off! ;p
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21:09 batman sri: my gf thinks I should slack more off... Where will it end??
21:09 batman :)
21:11 sri obviously you need to stop seeing her :)
21:11 batman sri: yeah. I know. I think she disagrees on that as well though...
21:11 batman :)
21:12 batman No. Sorry. I'm deeply in love.
21:12 batman :)
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21:13 batman sri: those nested helpers grow on me.
21:14 batman And I'm super happy about n()
21:20 marcus batman: https://soundcloud.com/fakeborgore/jason-derulo-wiggle-borgore-remix
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21:25 axlrose sri: you asked about APP before, do you like something like "File Picker" ? i began create one fro smuxi using Mojo, but the owner did not agree
21:26 axlrose sri: https://developers.filepicker.io
21:28 sri axlrose: that does not sound like a full app
21:28 sri batman: \o/
21:28 sri when i say app i mean at this level http://convos.by/
21:28 axlrose sri: it will be full app if we include administration
21:30 axlrose sri: that's nice :)
21:31 axlrose sri: i can implement my app in convos as kwirc does ;)
21:36 marcus axlrose: sounds cool. Pull requests welcome.
21:37 axlrose marcus: thank you very much, but the problem will be the same, we need a host for deploiment
21:38 marcus axlrose: convos already requires that you have a host to deploy on.
21:38 axlrose something like heroku or dotcloud
21:39 marcus batman has been working on one click heroku deployment, but it has some serious problems.
21:39 marcus (with an app like convos)
21:39 marcus We also have a deployment guide for digital ocean
21:40 marcus http://thorsen.pm/perl/2014/03/02/convos-on-digitalocean.html#comment-1531076947
21:41 axlrose marcus: if i implement file picker to convos i need to space, of i have to delete old records if reach to the limit
21:45 marcus axlrose: Maybe you could start by creating a github issue describing the functionality you propose in detail, and we can discuss it there?
21:45 marcus I need to go to bed now, *waves*
21:46 axlrose marcus: of course, sleep tight
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