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jberger |
I would prefer to have plugable meta handlers |
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jberger |
maybe it could iterate through handler classes until it find one that reports that it found its meta properties |
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jberger |
batman: a version with pluggable meta handlers: https://github.com/jberger/mojolicious-plugin-linkembedder/compare/meta_plugin |
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sri |
every time i read something about chicago on my twitter stream i keep thinking... jberger should better get out of there |
| 03:33 |
tempire |
What's going on in chicago? |
| 03:33 |
sri |
https://twitter.com/PzFeed/status/503743825182199810 |
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* tempire |
likes chicago |
| 03:34 |
sri |
on the plus side, at least you broke a record |
| 03:34 |
tempire |
they were probably divergents |
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jberger |
yeah, we pretty much stay in "duck and cover" position |
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tempire |
protect the system! |
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jberger |
actually, the violence is limited to a rather small area, quite far from me |
| 03:36 |
jberger |
but thanks for looking out for me |
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jberger |
:-) |
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davido_ |
I don't know much about Chicago. Los Angeles, where I lived for about ten years, is a big sprawl of trouble, with nice neighborhoods sandwiched between the "average". |
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jberger |
The odd thing is that shooting almost always track with temperature |
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jberger |
number of shootings, that is |
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davido_ |
Warm = more? |
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jberger |
yea |
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jberger |
and today was a hot one |
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davido_ |
Yeah, same with places like miami. |
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sri |
maybe we should do a crowdtilt to get jberger some kevlar, just to be sure |
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davido_ |
Crime, in general, uptrends in warmer weather. |
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jberger |
there are some pretty nasty neighborhoods on the west and south sides |
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jberger |
I'm in the Northwest suburbs |
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* jberger |
would carry a tazer though, cause, tazer! |
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davido_ |
I remember a road-biking guide I had for LA... said, (approximately) "There are thousands of miles of roads in Los Angeles that are great for biking. None of them will take you through xxxxx." (I won't name the part of town) |
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davido_ |
don't taze me bro. |
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jberger |
I'm sure that bikes stay away from those neighborhoods in Chicago too |
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jberger |
I don't know what can be done for those neighborhoods though, its getting pretty bad there |
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* jberger |
sends purl to the corner of Western & Monroe |
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jberger |
that'll show him for mouthing off yesterday! |
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jberger |
People might be dropping like flies in Chicago, but you forgot to tell me about THIS! |
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jberger |
https://twitter.com/PzFeed/status/503657841501429761 |
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* jberger |
loses hope |
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jberger |
and hey, at least in Chicago, the ground stays where you put it! |
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Nei |
stephan48: if you're curious -- http://anti.teamidiot.de/static/nei/*/Code/Irssi/teddy.tar.gz (proof of concept state) |
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batman |
sri: i don't mind you dissecting the design. i appreciate it. i hope my comments in github doesn't sound like i don't like it :( |
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batman |
jberger: https://github.com/jhthorsen/mojolicious-plugin-linkembedder/tree/feature/open-graph # i've already started. please give me pro/con on your vs mine solution |
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noganex |
mh... is there a simple way to get $app->mode inside a template? or do i have to stash it |
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tianon |
can't you $c->app->mode or something? |
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tianon |
or do templates just have $app ? I can't remember now |
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tianon |
the docs should say |
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tianon |
there's an app helper |
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tianon |
it's just app |
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tianon |
so app->mode |
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noganex |
oh. i didn't know about $c. thanks. :) |
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tianon |
http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Mojolicious/Plugin/DefaultHelpers#app |
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tianon |
%= app->mode |
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noganex |
works fine. thanks tianon. :) |
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tianon |
:) |
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Nei |
what's the proper way to ignore this warning: Write failed: Can't call method "_write" on an undefined value at Mojo/IOLoop/Stream.pm line 53. ? |
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Nei |
aha, note the importance of " && $self->{io}{$fd}; " |
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the read event can cancel the cb so _write mustnt be called anymore |
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jberger |
batman: i think we are going down the same path |
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jberger |
Mine does a couple things, it allows for multiple meta implementations |
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jberger |
And it falls through to the Link class when it can't find any meta info |
| 11:49 |
jberger |
My first cut looked very much like yours |
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jberger |
But then i started thinking about how i could also add the twitter card stuff |
| 11:50 |
jberger |
In my last branch adding twitter would be easy |
| 11:51 |
jberger |
Also, all original tests pass in unmodified |
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rofl_ |
is there any initscript examples in contrib or smth? |
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sri |
batman: don't worry, i don't know how and patches welcome are perfectly fine responses |
| 12:23 |
sri |
btw. the biggest problem with trying to tweak the ui is that i don't know how to run a local version |
| 12:23 |
sri |
not very keen on setting up redis and stuff |
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batman |
jberger: i will also support twitter "stuff", it's just that i don't want to reflect that in the API. not sure why i want to know if it's a twitter card, open graph or something else (twitter_title, og_title, title,...) |
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batman |
sri: just set CONVOS_REDIS_URL=1.2.3.4:4567/14 and run bash script/test-convos-backend.sh |
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batman |
where 1.2.3.4 is URL to some free resource like http://redislabs.com/pricing |
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batman |
jberger: how do you find the correct class..? |
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sri |
interesting, so this will finally be in core https://metacpan.org/pod/release/PEVANS/Scalar-List-Utils-1.39_001/lib/Scalar/Util.pm#code-set_subname-name-code |
| 12:43 |
sri |
batman: i might give it a try |
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sri |
batman: btw. another solution for the gray boxes would be to hide join/part messages by default. just like the channel log does http://irclog.perlgeek.de/mojo/2014-08-25#i_9237984 |
| 12:46 |
sri |
no need to make the text extremely gray then |
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jberger_ |
batman: did you look at the second link i sent? |
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jberger_ |
The meta_plugin branch |
| 12:48 |
sri |
but i really don't think join/part messages need to be particularly readable, you want to notice if someone you're talking to left, but that's about it |
| 12:50 |
sri |
haha, maybe make it smart, and only show join/part events for people that have been talking in the currently visible buffer ;p |
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Nei |
smart filter arriving in convos;)? |
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batman |
Nei: what's that? |
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purl |
that is probably what is biting you. |
| 13:03 |
batman |
jberger_: i consider html to be a Link::Text:HTML object. not FromMetaTag. and i also want to default to fetching <title>...</title> if everything fails |
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Nei |
batman: it's a concept present in most irc clients "smart filter" |
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Nei |
about intelligently hiding joins/parts and other noise |
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Nei |
of course the web clients have yet to catch up to the traditional ones ;))) |
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batman |
sri, Nei: not sure why you want to hide part/join messages... |
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Nei |
that inevitably means you need to reinvent a lot of wheels |
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batman |
i like to know if the person i'm talking to is still in the channel |
| 13:04 |
Nei |
they usually clutter the channel, there are better ways to convey that information |
| 13:04 |
Nei |
many channels consist only of joins/parts obstructing the text |
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batman |
jberger_: i think your solution is too complicated. it's a design for things i don't think we need. (imo) |
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batman |
and why do you need to get() the link again? we already have the tx object from the first request (just change head() to get()) |
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batman |
marcus: do you have any inputs on https://github.com/jberger/mojolicious-plugin-linkembedder/compare/meta_plugin ? |
| 13:08 |
batman |
jberger_: i'm also not sure how the Meta classes fit into the existing hierachy :( |
| 13:08 |
sri |
batman: THAT'S THE POINT! |
| 13:09 |
batman |
sri: which point? (what are you referring to?) |
| 13:09 |
sri |
batman: you only get to know if a person you are talking to leaves, but not for anyone not participating |
| 13:09 |
batman |
i don't get it ^ |
| 13:12 |
batman |
sri: sorry for being slow. can you describe it again what the present behavior is that you want to change into...? |
| 13:12 |
batman |
from what i read, it sounds like you want to hide the join/quit/part events |
| 13:20 |
jberger_ |
batman: how can you know to convert to a get req before you know that you need it? |
| 13:21 |
jberger_ |
The Meta classes are the "plugins" that know how to handle each type of meta tag |
| 13:21 |
batman |
jberger_: oh! that's right. if i do get() before checking the response type, i might download big files... |
| 13:21 |
batman |
i guess i need to do head() first then :/ |
| 13:22 |
jberger_ |
That's why head exists |
| 13:22 |
batman |
but i still don't get why you need so many classes just to extract meta, title, whatever |
| 13:22 |
batman |
but you're right about head v.s. get and the additional get |
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jberger_ |
Then one you have the dom it can delegate to each meta handler class until it finds one that reports that it can handle the data |
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jberger_ |
*once |
| 13:23 |
batman |
i understand that. but why? |
| 13:23 |
jberger_ |
Easy to write more handlers |
| 13:23 |
batman |
why not just extract -whatever- in the Text/HTML.pm module? |
| 13:24 |
batman |
i don't get how that's easier :( |
| 13:24 |
batman |
i feel you're designing a rocket when we need a bicycle |
| 13:26 |
batman |
i'm _not_ trying to come out as a complete tool -- i simply don't get it... |
| 13:26 |
jberger_ |
If you just have a title extraction method and you want to extend it for another possible property, how do you do it? |
| 13:26 |
batman |
are you asking me or some random user for LinkEmbedder? |
| 13:27 |
batman |
i would add functionality to HTML.pm |
| 13:27 |
batman |
if i'm a random user, i would open a ticket |
| 13:27 |
jberger_ |
I think it become more and more complex for you and it is impossible for users |
| 13:27 |
batman |
but why not solve it then, instead of now? in my head, it's very easy now: extract the tags that give me what i want, and store them in generic attributes |
| 13:28 |
batman |
that means that $link->title; will hold either the value from og:title, twitter:title or the title tag |
| 13:30 |
jberger_ |
Ok so i see you point and i think you see mine and we disagree |
| 13:30 |
batman |
we can agree on that :) |
| 13:30 |
jberger_ |
Guess we should wait for more input |
| 13:30 |
batman |
i think you're trying to make this super pluggable. i'm trying to make it as simple as possible..? |
| 13:31 |
jberger_ |
But the rest of the module is more or less pluggable right? |
| 13:31 |
batman |
is it..? |
| 13:31 |
batman |
i want to make something that just works. adding a bunch of if-else-when-maybe, makes it harder to maintain imo |
| 13:31 |
jberger_ |
A handler per site? |
| 13:32 |
jberger_ |
Become a handler per protocol |
| 13:32 |
batman |
a handler = a class? |
| 13:32 |
jberger_ |
Sure |
| 13:32 |
batman |
protocol..? is og:foo and twitter:foo a protocol..? |
| 13:33 |
jberger_ |
Yes |
| 13:33 |
batman |
i wouldn't call it a protocol... they should provide the same type of information. |
| 13:33 |
jberger_ |
Open graph protocol |
| 13:33 |
batman |
if i favor og: infront of twitter:, then it shouldn't matter for the user for LinkEmbedder |
| 13:33 |
batman |
they -should- contain the same information |
| 13:34 |
jberger_ |
Maybe they provide the same, maybe they don't |
| 13:34 |
batman |
no idea why twitter decided to make its own :( |
| 13:34 |
batman |
but how will you decide which to use? |
| 13:34 |
batman |
LinkEmbedder need to be smart, so you don't have to |
| 13:34 |
jberger_ |
Doesn't google have one too? |
| 13:35 |
batman |
so if you got og:video and twitter:image, but no twitter:video, then we should provide you with the best merge of all the data we can find in a given document |
| 13:35 |
batman |
could be, then we'll just scan for those tags as well, and merge it all. |
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batman |
in a prioritized order |
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jberger_ |
You give it a search order, it walks them until it finds one that reports handled |
| 13:36 |
jberger_ |
Mine is in a protected |
| 13:36 |
jberger_ |
Grrrr |
| 13:36 |
batman |
http://www.iacquire.com/blog/18-meta-tags-every-webpage-should-have-in-2013 <-- i would scan for something like this |
| 13:36 |
jberger_ |
Mine is in a prioritized order |
| 13:36 |
batman |
but you got sooo many classes and so much code. i'm don't want to maintain it all :( |
| 13:38 |
jberger_ |
How is that not what linkembedder did for per site handling? |
| 13:39 |
jberger_ |
A class per site |
| 13:39 |
batman |
i got per site, because they have different content. with this i might be able to kill off some classes if they provide og:, twitter: or something similar |
| 13:39 |
marcus |
Man you guys write a lot. |
| 13:39 |
batman |
marcus: yeah :( |
| 13:39 |
marcus |
Finally managed to catch up with scrollback :) |
| 13:40 |
jberger_ |
Btw did you know i work on the same street as Wayne Enterprises? |
| 13:40 |
batman |
jberger_: i guess i will kill your Imgur.pm module when we (i) get this og: support in place |
| 13:40 |
marcus |
Btw, I think I agree with jberger. More pluggable is better. |
| 13:41 |
batman |
jberger_: no, i didn't |
| 13:41 |
batman |
marcus: for who? |
| 13:41 |
purl |
for fun. |
| 13:41 |
batman |
and i don't care who agree with who, i need to know which solution the super-complex code solve. |
| 13:41 |
marcus |
batman: for users of link embedder. |
| 13:42 |
marcus |
I don't see how it's so super-complex compared to the rest of the module. |
| 13:42 |
batman |
if you two agree, then i guess i'm wrong. so what i need then is that you actually finish off and give it a /good/ test coverage. |
| 13:43 |
batman |
i don't have time to maintain that code :( |
| 13:43 |
jberger_ |
http://imgur.com/Er6SGmN |
| 13:44 |
batman |
jberger_: i wish i had gone the way you do with delegation though. |
| 13:45 |
batman |
not for a Link object, but for the actual LinkEmbedder module |
| 13:46 |
jberger_ |
http://imgur.com/gfy6t43 |
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sri |
you write too much |
| 13:50 |
sri |
either convos gets a way to tell me where the new stuff starts or you need to write less ;p |
| 13:50 |
batman |
i agree on both |
| 13:51 |
sri |
funny thing is, you have a new message count already, not sure why you can't draw a line in front of the first |
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Kripton |
I have a problem with ordering data on a JSON output |
| 13:53 |
Kripton |
my $data = $sth->fetchall_arrayref({}); $self->render(json => $data,status => 200); |
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Kripton |
the json output is out of order, or at least different from the sql order |
| 13:53 |
Kripton |
there is anyway to make "order by" on the json output, or keep the same order that was on array ? |
| 13:56 |
Kripton |
I couldn't find any clues on the documentation |
| 13:56 |
sri |
actually, ignore my design nitpicks for now... the design is clean enough... better do real features first :) |
| 13:57 |
sri |
maybe i'll get around to proposing a few design tweaks anyway |
| 14:03 |
sri |
everybody +1 this issue!!!1 https://github.com/Nordaaker/convos/issues/56 |
| 14:03 |
sri |
with so many core devs using convos now, we need those markers to make sure they can keep up with the backlog :) |
| 14:04 |
batman |
sri: i still don't understand when to clear the backlog bookmark |
| 14:05 |
sri |
only when focus is lost again imo |
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batman |
:wq |
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batman |
oops! :D |
| 14:10 |
sri |
batman: added another comment https://github.com/Nordaaker/convos/issues/56#issuecomment-53268266 |
| 14:11 |
batman |
see it... |
| 14:11 |
purl |
well, see it is REALY small |
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sri |
it sounds rather minor, but helps sooo much with keeping track of the backlog, suddenly you don't have to think about where you left off |
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* sri |
stops pointing a gun at jberger |
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* batman |
starts running |
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batman |
like...i'm going running now *bbl* |
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* sri |
just got back from running |
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sri |
guess i won :) |
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* jberger_ |
lowers his point-ed stick |
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* sri |
opens another convos issue :o |
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sri |
batman: something like this https://botbot.me/freenode/django/2014-08-25/?tz=Europe/Berlin |
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sri |
(not the sidebar, i mean the line and date between the messages) |
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stephan48 |
Nei: thanks! |
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Nei |
enjoy;-) |
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sri |
guess it's time to update the feature list a bit |
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sri |
"Very clean, portable and Object Oriented pure-Perl API without any hidden magic and no requirements besides Perl 5.18.0 (versions as old as 5.10.1 can be used, but may require additional CPAN modules to be installed)" |
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sri |
maybe something like that is in order now? |
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sri |
it's currently "Very clean, portable and Object Oriented pure-Perl API without any hidden magic and no requirements besides Perl 5.10.1 (although 5.18+ is recommended, and optional CPAN modules will be used to provide advanced functionality if they are installed)." |
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sri |
*crickets* |
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jzawodn |
+1 |
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purl |
1 |
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sri |
i suspect that may at some point say 5.20.0, and older versions will require the signatures module from CPAN :) |
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jzawodn |
signatures++ |
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sri |
it doesn't look too good anymore though... the current maintainers of signatures don't seem particularly motivated to make it happen :/ |
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good_news_everyon |
mojo/master bd5b564 Sebastian Riedel: older versions of Perl now require additional CPAN modules to be installed |
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marcus |
+1 |
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purl |
1 |
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marcus |
purl: die in a fire. |
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purl |
HALP |
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marcus |
No you're not halping. |
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sri |
botsnack |
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purl |
:) |
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* sri |
just learnd that duckduckgo has an official onion address |
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sri |
HTTP_PROXY=socks://127.0.0.1:9050 perl -Mojo -E 'say g("http://api.3g2upl4pq6kufc4m.onion/?q=mojolicious&format=json")->json("/Abstract")' |
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marcus |
mojolicious on TOR |
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marcus |
finally I can shop drugs at the Silk Road in style. |
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sri |
\o/ |
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sri |
the fact that a big german newspaper uses a mojolicious app for their whistleblower dead drop made me very happy |
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marcus |
yeah, that's rock and roll! |
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stephan48 |
cool |
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good_news_everyon |
mojo/master 50319ad Sebastian Riedel: another Tor example |
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sri |
the synopsis doesn't have a proxy example yet, and that one is kinda fun |
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jnbek |
so... since y'all are back to the frequent release cycle again, before i update my PKGBUILD, are y'all going to be releasing a version in say... the next cpl hours? |
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sri |
no plans, but you never know ;p |
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jnbek |
aye :) |
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jnbek |
last cpl times, I've updated my PKGBUILD |
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jnbek |
then in Recent on Metacpan, lol.... I see a new release |
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jnbek |
fig'd I'd dbl check and save myself some effort :-P |
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sri |
only one feature i have currently planned, and that will be set_subname support for monkey_patch |
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marcus |
jnbek: Lots of <3 <3 <3 for the packaging work. |
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sri |
<3 <3 <3 |
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stephan48 |
sri++ |
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stephan48 |
i really like that example |
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jnbek |
sri, sounds good |
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jnbek |
marcus: :D |
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batman |
jnbek++ |
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batman |
All I want to do is hack on convos, but it looks like there won't be any hacking until Wednesday :/ |
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batman |
I want so badly to make a new connection manager |
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batman |
Pease out. |
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batman |
Zzz |
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jberger_ |
"Very clean, portable and Object Oriented pure-Perl API without any hidden magic. On Perl 5.18.0 it has no requirements, versions as old as 5.10.1are supported but may require additional CPAN modules to be installed" |
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firnsy |
s/without any/with no/ |
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sri |
jberger_: but 5.10.1 is not "supported" |
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sri |
"with no" does sound better though |
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sri |
even in the current version |
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sri |
"with no hidden magic and no requirements besides Perl 5.18.0" |
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good_news_everyon |
mojo/master 41abd0f Sebastian Riedel: slightly better feature description |
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sri |
hmm |
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sri |
batman: i didn't see a quit message for the github bot |
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Nei |
maybe it's already smart filtering |
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