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01:47 sri his sucks... https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mojolicious/EwKN8eBhkM0
01:48 sri *this
01:49 sri (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
01:51 sri those that voted against should be forced to rewrite the guide now
01:52 * sri really needs a break
01:54 jberger sri: i don't recall what vote you are mentioning
01:56 dabudabu Neil's last answer is pretty funny ;p
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02:00 dabudabu Take breaks early and often.
02:00 sri trying to find it in the log... but seems rather impossible with the keywords
02:01 * dabudabu has only ~10 vacation days per year
02:01 sri found this gem though... http://irclog.perlgeek.de/mojo/2014-03-18#i_8451817
02:01 sri this shit is really not good for my health
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02:02 sri i don't remember the specifics of the vote... but i'm pretty sure i was the only one in favor
02:02 sri and someone was strongly opposed, crab?
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02:09 * sri bangs his fist on the table
02:09 sri time to dictate
02:09 sri the routing guide is going to change completely
02:10 jberger We do seem to get recurring questions, I'm curious to see what you come up with
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02:21 * jberger supports de-empasizing the route method
02:27 sri more like nuke it from orbit
02:29 jberger_ Nuclear weapons are no lau.... ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!
02:29 sri nuclear table flip
02:30 jberger_ Haha my autocomplete knows about hypnotoad :D
02:32 sri \o/
02:38 * jberger wishes that his local convos had all the gravatars
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03:23 good_news_everyon [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/rBvftA
03:23 good_news_everyon mojo/master 4570b52 Sebastian Riedel: use consistent style for routes throughout the whole documentation
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03:23 * sri dictates
03:24 sri please review, i'm sure there are many errors
03:25 sri whole thing is live http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Mojolicious/Guides/Routing
03:25 sri few sections changed order too
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03:43 good_news_everyon mojo/master 7ab22f9 Sebastian Riedel: simplify a few route examples
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03:49 sri if your mojolicious app contains a ->route() or ->bridge() you're now a dinosaur
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03:56 pete uh oh
03:56 preaction rawr!
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03:58 good_news_everyon [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/-kjKvA
03:58 good_news_everyon mojo/master 8b417aa Sebastian Riedel: more hash rockets
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04:14 * sri puts up a fence in the channel http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111103234347/jurassicpark/images/3/39/JPTRexPaddock.png
04:16 preaction what happened to the goat?
04:18 sri http://cdn.cosbysweaters.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/JP08.jpg
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04:36 sri think the only valid complaint would be that some of the keywords are a bit meh... like under
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05:28 pete Every so often I forget how tall Yao Ming is
05:28 pete And then something reminds me
05:28 pete Just how freakishly tall he is
05:28 pete Although I didn't know until today that he's the 31st tallest person on the planet
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09:29 john Does anyone know the syntax for adding a new param to the existing ones using url_with?
09:33 nicomen http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Mojolicious/Plugin/DefaultHelpers#url_with ?
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09:42 john Doesn't help
09:42 john It seems that ->query, replaces the params
09:42 john whereas I want to add another param to the existing list
09:43 john I'm sure it's possible, I just don't know how
09:45 john Ah, got it. Make the argument to "query" an array ref
09:46 firnsy so nicomen's link _does_ help?
09:54 john no
09:56 nicomen hehe
09:56 nicomen ok look for query module, it explains [ ] vs { } etc.
09:59 john I have no query module
09:59 john Query.pm at least.
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10:02 john http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Mojo/URL
10:03 john Thanks nicomen for the pointer
10:03 nicomen yw
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10:35 cpan_mojo Mojolicious-Plugin-BootstrapHelpers 0.014 by CSSON - http://metacpan.org/release/CSSON/Mojolicious-Plugin-BootstrapHelpers-0.014
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13:22 sri did nobody actually review the new routing guide? :/
13:23 sri http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Mojolicious/Guides/Routing
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13:49 cpan_mojo Mojolicious-Plugin-Web-Auth 0.10 by HAYAJO - http://metacpan.org/release/HAYAJO/Mojolicious-Plugin-Web-Auth-0.10
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14:00 good_news_everyon [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/nLbusg
14:00 good_news_everyon mojo/master 6aef763 Sebastian Riedel: more consistent explanation for HTTP request methods
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14:47 sri bye bye bridges
14:57 jzawodn grr... using Mojo::IOLoop under mod_perl causes a segfault :-(
14:57 jzawodn I suspect I need to tinker with a different event backend
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15:10 good_news_everyon [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/r5Pq2A
15:10 good_news_everyon mojo/master 5c40fa3 Sebastian Riedel: fixed bug in Mojo::Util where tablify could not handle empty columns
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15:31 good_news_everyon mojo/master d558acd Sebastian Riedel: use more consistent terminology
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15:31 sri jzawodn: sounds like a pretty normal day with mod_perl ;p
15:32 * marcus holds an impromptu burrial for Bridges.
15:32 jzawodn sri: sadly, yes.  though if this works out it could spell the end of mod_perl/apache for this particualr use case
15:38 marcus oh shit, convos uses route *and* bridge
15:38 marcus in the same line even
15:38 sri you dinosaur!
15:39 * marcus takes a bite out of sri.
15:40 marcus sri: so bridge->under and route->any right?
15:41 * sri nods
15:41 marcus ok, I've no idea what goes on here, https://github.com/Nordaaker/convos/blob/master/lib/Convos.pm#L432 - why do we even need ->route before bridge there?
15:42 sri looks more like a typo
15:42 marcus yeah, can't see that doing anything useful
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15:50 good_news_everyon mojo/master bc51577 Sebastian Riedel: highlight that lite and full apps are equal feature-wise
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15:54 avkhozov Hi, I want to discuss a feature/bug in Mango https://github.com/kraih/mango/issues/24#issuecomment-54638326
15:54 avkhozov It seems to me that the call method count in any case should not generate an exception.
15:55 avkhozov Though initially the issue was not about this :)
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16:17 good_news_everyon mojo/master 0f7a2e7 Sebastian Riedel: show a few more route variations
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16:21 marcus Can we find a dark hole and bury blib in it?
16:24 jzawodn is there an easy way to inspect which EV backend was chosen by?
16:24 jzawodn s/by//
16:25 sri not that i know of
16:26 jzawodn ok, so I should just set the ENV vars to force it and test the options... (trying to debug this weird mod_perl interaction)
16:26 sri haha, you could try adding the descriptor 1025 to see if it's select()
16:27 jzawodn heh, test by breaking
16:27 sri it's usually select though, everything else only gets used if you set flags afaik
16:27 jzawodn interesting
16:28 sri EV is notorious for not working with anything non-standard perl though
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16:45 jzawodn hm, may try removing EV for a bit to see...
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17:14 sri back to the topic of the day... does the new order of sections in the routing guide make sense? http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Mojolicious/Guides/Routing
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17:33 marcus jzawodn: I know what I would replace in that equation. =]
17:34 jzawodn indeed
17:34 jzawodn mod_perl is really not the right fit for about 80% of our uses anymore... just gotta move things off one piece at a time
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17:51 good_news_everyon [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/Eph4UA
17:51 good_news_everyon mojo/master 23bb233 Sebastian Riedel: mention that custom names have a higher precedence
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17:52 marcus sri: btw, I'm very happy about removing redundant keywords from the router.
17:54 sri \o/
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18:01 good_news_everyon mojo/master 7ec43e6 Sebastian Riedel: renamed section about namespaces in routing guide
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18:09 cpan_mojo Mojolicious-Plugin-Disqus-Tiny 1.004 by ADAMJS - http://metacpan.org/release/ADAMJS/Mojolicious-Plugin-Disqus-Tiny-1.004
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18:14 good_news_everyon mojo/master ae8bde6 Sebastian Riedel: mention that full apps can also be transformed into lite apps
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18:21 neilhwatson sri: Your willingness to improve the docs and the speed in which you do it are appreciated. I still don't understand Mojolicious well, but it's a good heathly project. I hope more consider it.
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18:37 doby sri: read through the Routing doc, everything looks good but i have two pieces of feedback
18:37 doby would you like them here?
18:38 marcus Testing async flows suck so much :/ such timing issues much meh.
18:39 doby s/everything/order/
18:39 marcus Davay doby
18:40 doby marcus: huh?
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18:44 marcus Doby don't be shy, tell us your feedback. :)
18:44 doby ok... trying to figure out what "davay" is
18:45 doby In HTTP Methods sections there is the text "With one small exception, HEAD requests are considered equal to GET and content will not be sent with the response."
18:45 doby could we link to the exception
18:45 doby i dont see an explanation for it
18:45 marcus It's Russian for "let's go"
18:46 * doby learned a new russian word today
18:46 marcus The exception is that the body isn't sent?
18:47 marcus Guess that could be worded better.
18:47 doby In Named routes section I think the example is flawed (unless I'm missing something)
18:47 doby "# /foo/abc -> {controller => 'foo', action => 'bar', test => 'abc'}
18:47 doby $r->get('/foo/:test')->to('foo#bar')->name('baz');"
18:47 doby sorry for cut n paste
18:48 doby im just pointing out things i found no obvious
18:49 doby hopefully the next guy wont
18:50 marcus Yeah the head sentence needs to be rephrased, well spotted.
18:50 sri flawed how?
18:50 marcus Not sure what your problem with the named routes is tho.
18:51 marcus It seems right to me.
18:51 doby the test => abc portion
18:51 doby its not in the route creation
18:51 sri marcus: anyway, how would you rephrase it?
18:51 doby dont see it above, either
18:53 sri doby: i don't see the problem with the named route
18:53 sri placeholders are explained before that part
18:54 doby sri: it's the abc portion in particular i dont understand
18:54 marcus HEAD is considered equal to GET with one small exception; content will not be sent with the response.
18:54 doby i dont understand where it came from
18:54 doby i will reread if i am mistaken
18:55 sri marcus: that sounds odd... HEAD begin equal to GET is already an exception
18:55 sri *being
18:55 doby the routes document is better than the last time i read it for sure, but its been a couple months so its possible i just understand Mojo better now
18:55 doby either way thanks for the awesome framework ... back to work
18:57 marcus The way it's written now it sounds like content isn't sent with the response for either head or get, and there's an exception that isn't explained.
18:58 sri "With one small exception, C<HEAD> requests are considered equal to C<GET>, with the difference content will not be sent in the response."?
18:58 sri *+that
18:58 marcus With the difference being that
18:59 doby that clarification makes it clear to me
18:59 marcus I'd also s/sent/included/
19:00 sri "There is one small exception, C<HEAD> requests are considered equal to C<GET>, with the only difference that content will not be sent with the response."
19:02 sri "There is one small exception, C<HEAD> requests are considered equal to C<GET>, with the difference that content will automaticaly not be sent with the response."
19:03 sri included sounds it will be removed, but it's present in the transaction, just not sent over the wire
19:03 sri *+like
19:03 doby "There is one small exception, C<HEAD> requests are considered equal to C<GET>, but content will not be automatically sent with the response"?
19:04 marcus drop automatically
19:05 marcus It will be stripped.
19:05 sri "There is one small exception, C<HEAD> requests are considered equal to C<GET>, but content will not be sent with the response even if it is present."
19:06 doby even better
19:07 doby i amazed you guys take time on details like this, its one of the reasons i use and recommend mojo
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19:07 good_news_everyon [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/gUnDXQ
19:07 good_news_everyon mojo/master ffb414a Sebastian Riedel: better explanation for how HEAD requests are handled
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19:08 sri devil is in the details
19:08 sri also tweaked the named route example a bit
19:09 doby thank you sir
19:09 doby sri++
19:09 sri i'm not going to point out what you got wrong... to see if you can catch it yourself :)
19:10 marcus yay
19:11 berov marcus: "Davay" works in Bulgarian too ;)
19:11 marcus berov: nasdarovja
19:12 * marcus just made himself a bigass gintonic to help with the pains of convos test suite timing issue.
19:12 sri timming issues are the worst
19:13 * sri blames convos for his bad spelling today
19:13 berov :)
19:13 berov nasdarovja --nazdrave-nazdravy :)
19:14 sri would be nice though if tapping into the message area selected the input box though... i keep typing without having it selected first when switching between windows :S
19:15 marcus sri: on android?
19:15 sri os x atm.
19:16 marcus sri: If you switch channels with shift-enter, it should keep focus on the input area.
19:16 sri that material design stuff is the shit
19:17 marcus I agree. Wonder if we should just adopt material design wholesale for convos :)
19:17 marcus on all platforms
19:17 sri no objections from me certainly :)
19:19 sri but seriously, convos in the new chrome beats any native app by a long shot
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19:21 sri can't wait for chrome tabs integration with multi tasking in android l
19:23 marcus I had a small problem when adding it to the homescreen with chrome beta tho.
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19:23 marcus had to restart it to get focus events correctl
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19:26 sri doby: if you really can't figure it out please let me know too
19:26 sri then i'll take a second look
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19:27 marcus I'm pretty darned happy about being an example, at any rate.
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19:27 sri the docs certainly needed more marcus
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19:32 thomasoniii Could somebody give me a hand with a respond_to question? I made up a format ('data'), which I request with /foo/list.data. It's just spitting back a specific json document structure, nothing fancy.
19:32 thomasoniii The mojo controller has this in it: $self->respond_to( data => sub { do stuff to render json } );
19:32 thomasoniii It works when I hit the URL directly in the browser, but if I do it through a jquery request and set the dataType there to json, it fails with a 204, and it looks like mojo doesn't even consider using the data response path. the format in the stash is "data", as I'd expect. So there appears to be some disconnect between the format and the accept header being sent by the client. Which makes sense, since it's just an arbitrary f
19:32 thomasoniii How can I associate my made up "data" format with an accept request for application/json?
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20:06 thomasoniii Tracked it down! $app->types('data', 'application/json') up in my app.pm file.
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20:23 good_news_everyon [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/v454hw
20:23 good_news_everyon mojo/master fb63177 Sebastian Riedel: less references to bridges
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21:15 Akron +1 for fossilizing (?) route and bridge. I will adopt this in my code. I guess the weekend will be a good time to reread all guides now! :)
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21:21 sri ☆*・゜゚・*\(^O^)/*・゜゚・*☆
21:22 sri so yea... i discovered this today http://japaneseemoticons.net/all-japanese-emoticons/
21:22 sri this channel is gonna get weird!
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21:24 sri ←~(o `▽´ )oΨ
21:24 marcus ヽ༼ ಠ益ಠ ༽ノ
21:25 mishantil Showoff
21:26 marcus mishantil: \(@O@)/
21:26 sri ლ(ಠ_ಠლ)
21:27 marcus ʕノ•ᴥ•ʔノ ︵ ┻━┻ so gud
21:29 sri ┬──┬◡ノ(° -°ノ)
21:30 neilhwatson which one means hello kitty ?
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21:31 sri (ٛ০◦০ٛ⌯)໊
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21:34 sri ー═┻┳︻▄ξ(✿ ❛‿❛)ξ▄︻┻┳═一
21:34 sri "Dual wielding assault rifles"
21:34 sri some are really brilliant
21:35 sri ノ┬─┬ノ ︵ ( \o°o)\
21:35 sri "In Soviet Russia table flips you!"
21:35 cfedde the funny part is that this is a valid perl program
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21:41 nicomen (???)?
21:44 tianon ก็็็็็็็็็็็็็ʕ•͡ᴥ•ʔ ก้้้้้้้้้้้
21:44 tianon how many people's IRC clients let that bleed upwards? :)
21:45 cfedde I wonder if we will get to the point where we kick people for that. Like we used to do for colors.
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21:56 good_news_everyon [mojo] kraih tagged v5.38 at b66f3f5: http://git.io/Tb0CEg
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21:57 cpan_mojo Mojolicious 5.38 by Sebastian Riedel - http://metacpan.org/release/SRI/Mojolicious-5.38
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21:58 good_news_everyon [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/663woQ
21:58 good_news_everyon mojo/master cbcf3c5 Sebastian Riedel: bump version
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22:27 good_news_everyon mojo/master de087f2 Sebastian Riedel: fixed format examples
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22:48 sri avkhozov: i can't even imagine how aggregate and count are supposed to work together, seriously, you'll have to figure that stuff out yourself
22:49 sri and i doubt there are too many people qualified to help with that
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23:13 * jzawodn found the gremlin that prevented Mojo libs from working under apache/mod_perl
23:32 jberger sri++ #doc updates!
23:35 jberger The funny thing is that i always felt uncool for using 'under' in a full app
23:35 jberger I felt uncool cause i couldn't figure out the bridge method
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