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IRC log for #mojo, 2016-02-28

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04:37 jberger sri: I don't think that kes's antics is reason enough to remove them
06:26 cpan_mojo MojoX-Mysql-0.19 by KOSTYA https://metacpan.org/release/KOSTYA/MojoX-Mysql-0.19
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08:14 tempire sri: I don't think they should be removed
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12:50 mdom It's propably a stupid question, but is there a canonical way to wait for multiple Mojo::IOLoop::Delays? Or can i just create two delays and then wait for the first to return and then the second, but the steps are running async?
12:50 mdom Uh, hope i made myself clear
12:51 cpan_mojo Mojo-IRC-0.28 by JHTHORSEN https://metacpan.org/release/JHTHORSEN/Mojo-IRC-0.28
12:51 batman mdom: do you mean with the wait() method on the delay?
12:52 mdom yeah
12:52 sri sometimes i hate people...
12:53 sri i've been trying so hard with kes, and he still gets rude https://github.com/kraih/mojo/pull/921#issuecomment-189849672
12:53 batman mdom: no. wait() is blocking
12:53 mdom batman: Can i somehow combine two delays?
12:54 batman mdom: what wait() does is to start the ioloop and attach an event which stops the ioloop when the delay is completed
12:54 batman mdom: yeah, you can do as much non-blocking inside the delay
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12:55 batman but you have to make sure the last step in the "master" delay isn't called before the other delays are done.
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12:57 mdom Mhh, thanks, i'll have to think about that
12:57 batman mdom: let me make some examples
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13:01 batman mdom: untested, but pretty sure this is correct: https://ssl.thorsen.pm/paste/313cecc73ad6
13:04 mdom Ah, now i get it, thanks!
13:04 mdom Although your comment on the second step in the last example is wrong, right?
13:05 mdom Because after the inner delay calls the callback i reach the outer delays second step?
13:05 batman yes. copy/paste bug :)
13:06 batman some with the third step
13:06 batman *same
13:06 * batman fixes
13:07 batman mdom: i think this is right: https://ssl.thorsen.pm/paste/e18f12e36071
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13:12 kes sri: thank you. Bye
13:16 mdom batman: Thank you so much, that helped ... :)
13:18 batman mdom: you're welcome :)
13:42 mdom I had an error in my application and you can find the boiled down version at http://fpaste.scsys.co.uk/506394. Is this the server closes the connection to early or don't i just miss a stupid error?
13:46 batman mdom: the $ua goes out of scope
13:47 batman you need to store $ua somewhere and then issue get() on it
13:49 mdom Doh!
13:50 mdom batman: You're my hero!
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13:50 good_news_everyon [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v2aoF
13:50 good_news_everyon mojo/master 2bfc9aa Sebastian Riedel: empty templates should get rendered too
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13:50 batman haha
13:50 batman mdom: don't forget "savior of gotham" while you're at it ;)
13:51 genio batman: haha, but also, "loser to superman". :/
13:52 batman hey!
13:52 batman nevermind... :P
13:52 genio It's ok, though. batman has a cooler car!
13:53 mattp sri: could ask him to jump on irc? sometimes its (slightly) easier to communicate over chat
13:53 mdom Is there really anybody who prefers superman to batman?
13:54 sri mattp: he just joined to apparently leave a passive aggressive comment above
13:54 genio I hope not.  Superman is boring
13:55 mattp oops. missed that haha
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14:51 sri i do wonder what the majority would prefer for github issues nobody understands, leave them open forever, or close them after a few days without clarification?
14:52 sri pretty much every time i tried hard to work through a language barrier i got burned so far
14:52 batman close them after a few days/ a week
14:52 sri so, i'm not gonna keep doing that
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15:02 good_news_everyon [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v2a1p
15:02 good_news_everyon mojo/master 59d96c3 Sebastian Riedel: specifically mention unintelligible issues
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15:02 sri when you open an issue it is your responsibility to make sure you're being understood
15:08 genio English grammar question on commas on that last commit.  Is it correct to have that added comma there, "... title and text, when you ..."?  I know, I know, I should really learn my language!
15:09 sri from what i understand, the comma is supposed to be used much more liberally in english than most other languages
15:10 sri and i keep being told to use more commas ;p
15:11 sri think that commit could have used even more commas, like one before the "or"
15:11 genio It's one of those things that I never actually learned and retained.  I've been told to place them where a natural pause/break goes, as long as it doesn't break two complete sentences, etc.
15:12 jberger If you want to make that "or" section an outset clause then you need one before and after
15:12 sri there is one after it
15:12 sri or do you mean ", or,"?
15:13 jberger , or is unintelligible,
15:13 * sri nods"
15:13 sri that's what i meant
15:14 jberger Not sure there should be one before when
15:14 sri i know when when jester was correcting the catalyst docs for me he went berserk with throwing around commas and semicolons
15:14 genio heh
15:15 genio mental pictures are awesome over here
15:15 sri (jester = editor of the oxford english dictionary)
15:15 genio jester == guys with funny hats in royal courts for amusement
15:16 jabberwok comma comma comma comma-eel-lion
15:18 sri i never understood when to use a semicolon
15:19 sri and i've looked it up at least a few times, only to forget again the next day
15:20 jabberwok A semicolon is like a soft period; it separates two independent thoughts that could be written as separate sentences.
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15:48 jberger A semicolon joins two almost-sentances; use it when you have two verbs.
16:04 sri yea, already forgotten again
16:05 sri oh, tempire was here earlier
16:06 sri so, we've got 3 votes for the template inheritance thing
16:06 sri neutral from batman, -1 from tempire and jberger
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17:22 good_news_everyon [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v2aFm
17:22 good_news_everyon mojo/master c64d4cc Sebastian Riedel: no need for closures
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17:41 good_news_everyon [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v2abw
17:41 good_news_everyon mojo/master 24e76c0 Sebastian Riedel: consistently check for non-whitespace characters
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17:48 sri batman: re https://twitter.com/jhthorsen/status/703996553229430784
17:48 sri looks very professional
17:48 sri but i'd rename "New dialog" to somethign generic like "Create"
17:49 sri "New dialog" sounds like placeholder text
17:53 cpan_mojo WWW-Coursera-0.12 by OVNTATAR https://metacpan.org/release/OVNTATAR/WWW-Coursera-0.12
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18:10 batman sri: thanks!
18:13 batman sri: i got more screenshots :) https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_tCHIu9z7YSOTY5WnE5Mzk3M0E
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18:15 sri batman: small thing, i don't like the size of the dark gray horizontal lines on the right side
18:15 sri it looks too big sometimes, and doesn't match the distance between the buttons at the bottom
18:16 batman sri: the idea is/was that they *might* be resizable in the future, but i don't think i need that after all
18:17 batman now, it's more to separate the different parts of that menu... make it appear as there's three parts
18:17 batman but maybe i don't need it too be so big
18:17 batman *to be
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18:30 good_news_everyon [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v2VvY
18:30 good_news_everyon mojo/master 94b7772 Sebastian Riedel: fix a few "0" value bugs in Mojolicious::Renderer
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18:38 batman sri: just uploaded a new screenshot
18:41 sri batman: the darker color looks wrong too somehow
18:41 sri asymmetric
18:41 batman :(
18:42 batman then i don't how to distinguish the three parts :/
18:44 sri batman: different text colors and weights seem like the obvious choice
18:45 sri and prolly size
18:45 sri like you did on the left side
18:46 sri i think the whole grid of button thing might be outdated anyway
18:46 sri +s
18:47 batman do you mean that "No notifications" should have a different color/bold than "Edit connections" ?
18:47 sri maybe go more material design
18:47 batman sri: i'm using http://materializecss.com/
18:47 sri maybe try to do more with typography and less with the grid
18:48 sri ah, then the visible grid is not what you want anyway :)
18:49 batman sorry, you're way beyond me :/
18:49 batman got any examples?
18:49 batman just drop the border completely..?
18:49 sri yea
18:54 sri actually hard to find good examples :)
18:55 sri if you want to stick with a grid, maybe this gives some ideas https://dribbble.com/shots/2363812-In-App-Navigation-Improvement
18:57 sri personally, i'd just use contrast, make it dark or a flashy color https://dribbble.com/shots/1903135-Very-first-attempt-to-Material-Design
18:58 batman sri: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_tCHIu9z7YSc1g4ejhSM3E4czQ
18:58 sri this style with a picture at the top is kinda cute https://dribbble.com/shots/1669401-Aviasales-L-Material-Design
18:58 batman feels a bit awkward with the background... maybe i should kill that as well
18:59 sri looks much cleaner
18:59 sri yea, maybe
18:59 batman should i remove the background behind #awesome as well?
18:59 batman right
19:00 sri it's still there for tap feedback?
19:01 sri to highlight the active channel i'd work with typography again i think
19:01 batman the background is there to indicate which... yeah, exactly
19:01 sri just bold text, no background
19:01 batman i'll try to make it bold
19:01 batman :D
19:02 sri honestly, i'd go with a slask-ish design... it's so close already ;p
19:02 sri http://metalab.co/images/projects/slack/gallery/3-full-3efbce9b.png
19:03 sri this looks cool http://static.tumblr.com/z4yth4w/AKGnqb14l/day195.jpg
19:04 batman i try not to be slash-ish... i want to be something different, because i will probably never get enough time to make it as good as slack :/
19:04 batman that does look cool, but i don't have enough time to start the design from scratch now :/
19:05 sri i don't mean copy the layout
19:05 sri colors and typography
19:05 sri that's what really matters
19:06 batman thanks! i'll do my best, and then ask for more help, hehe
19:06 sri your menu at the bottom could just be 4 icons in a line
19:06 sri clean, minimal
19:06 batman bottom or top?
19:07 sri bottom
19:07 batman ok. *done*
19:07 sri big enough so you can tap on them
19:11 batman i really want another background color for the menu
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19:26 batman sri: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_tCHIu9z7YScEZaWUo3dmZ0eFU
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19:27 good_news_everyon [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v2VTo
19:27 good_news_everyon mojo/master 5a96e64 Sebastian Riedel: the format "0" is problematic
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19:27 batman the thing i liked about having the links instead of just the buttons in the bottom was that it could "connect" with the box on the left side
19:28 sri the buttons look nice
19:28 sri but, shouldn't the + be to the left?
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19:30 sri s/buttons/icons/
19:31 batman yeah, it should
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19:59 sri odd how i totally misjudged the whole typed placeholders thing
19:59 sri really thought there would be more interest in replacing our current 3 placeholder types
20:13 batman i guess most people gets the job done with the one that exists
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22:15 Kermit Hi - Mojolicious newbie here so please forgive the newbieness of my question. Is there a ~definitive~ "Introduction to Mojolicious" series of videos for newbs? Thought I'd ask the experts before spending half the day clicking on lesser videos.
22:22 jberger Kermit: that would probably still be the mojocasts
22:22 jberger Bit they are getting quite old and there are some known changes since then
22:23 jberger https://github.com/kraih/mojo/wiki#screencasts
22:32 Kermit Thanks, I'll start there with the changes in mind.
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22:33 HumanCattle jooz
22:33 HumanCattle did
22:33 HumanCattle nine
22:33 HumanCattle eleven
22:34 preaction jberger: got time for a +b?
22:34 HumanCattle was kicked by sri: no
22:35 preaction nm, they're out
22:36 CandyAngel And lo, they were smote and laid down unto the dust
22:36 CandyAngel Hallowed are the Sri
22:36 * CandyAngel may or may not have just finished watching Stargate SG-1: The Ark of Truth
22:37 sri :)
22:37 * sri can't wait for the release of the new daredevil season
22:53 jberger preaction: I see your nm, but what's a +b?
22:53 preaction ban mode. all modes in irc are added with +<letter> and removed with -<letter>
22:53 jberger Oh I see what you mean
22:54 jberger Gotcha
22:56 jberger Oh and I only get their thing now that I've seen it in another channel
22:56 jberger I seriously thought that was just gibberish
22:58 jberger They still are on the network, global ban requested
23:00 preaction i've been seeing various incarnations of that for so long i can recognize it anywhere :p
23:00 stephan48 I would like my minion workers to use a different logfile than my app. Is there a nicer way to accomplish that than to change it in an ->on(worker => sub { ... }) event?
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