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IRC log for #mojo, 2016-05-02

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12:12 jberger sri: ha there is a picture of the moment i mentioned before
12:12 jberger https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/jj_perl/26499165252/in/set-72157667398548526/
12:18 sri haha
12:19 pink_mist <jberger> pink_mist: I think you missed the point, punter was worried about it in the router <-- no I was specifically responding to "<punter> but a web-browser will send all its slashes to the server"
12:35 punter This phrase was mine was only meant as an irrelevent observation
12:35 jberger pink_mist: ahhh ok
12:35 punter I was just surprised that // were not collapsed
12:35 punter on the browser
12:35 punter and pointed it out
12:35 sri so much bitcoin drama today
12:38 jberger Oh? What's going on?
12:38 sri it's all over HN
12:41 jberger Wow you weren't kidding
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14:23 jberger I wonder what the implications of this are: http://johtopg.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/listening-connections-arent-cheap.html
14:24 jberger for Mojo::Pg generally and for Minion
14:29 sri Mojo::Pg::PubSub deals with that problem too by using only a single connection for everything
14:55 jberger I assumed as much, and also each worker manager process does all the communication right?
15:01 sri most of the time
15:01 sri if your job does $job->finish(...) a new connection is opened for that one operation
15:01 jberger ok, but that isn't doing NOTIFY
15:01 sri right
15:09 jabberwok vague memories of working at the VAX lab at college when someone asked me what the "TIFFY" option was
15:09 jabberwok because you had PRINT FILE.TXT /NOHEADER /NOFOOTER /NOTIFY
15:11 pink_mist haha
15:49 sri i'm so disappointed with civ: beyond earth, nowhere near as addictive as civ 5
15:49 Adura 4 BTS is best.
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17:30 good_news_everyon [mojo] kraih tagged v6.61 at 9af879d: https://git.io/vwyik
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17:32 good_news_everyon [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vwyiW
17:32 good_news_everyon mojo/master 7d5c0ec Sebastian Riedel: bump version
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17:35 pink_mist only five minor versions to go
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20:27 sri so, google now dictates that we can't use geo apis in browsers without https anymore :S
20:28 sri guess they'll be pushing https very aggresively now
20:29 lluad They've been putting warning signs next to _email_ sent via non-TLS for a while now. They're really big on TLS.
20:30 mishanti1 sri: You bet. The changes they have been doing in ranking of https VS http has been a pretty clear indicator of where they are going.
20:30 sri true
20:31 mishanti1 What surpises me is that they still do the predictive loading of pages in the background while you are typing in the address bar, even though the pages are not https.
20:31 mishanti1 Whould have thought that they limited that to https-only.
20:31 mishanti1 *would
20:32 mishanti1 I guess the illusion of speed and convenience trumps security.
20:33 jberger testing this job manager is just crazy :s
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21:25 jberger sri: any opposition to #950?
21:30 sri jberger: i'd solve it less verbose
21:30 sri whole thing is rather meh though
21:31 sri i guess allowing undef exceptions is really a new feature that deserves more attention
21:32 sri feels wrong to just wave this through as a fix to make warnings go away
21:33 sri i mean, you can't just "die undef" in perl either
21:33 jberger I guess I've never tried
21:33 jberger I wonder how they get there
21:34 sri yea, -1 from me, since the topic has not been explored enough
21:34 jberger started the conversation by asking how they got there
21:35 jberger though I guess I know the answer, they are wrapping something unknown as a Mojo::Exception and then throwing it
21:35 sri if this ends up being voted in, i guess i'd just make the previous line ...->message // '';
21:35 jberger I thought about that too
21:36 jberger I guess the more I think about it the more I start to see why undef as an exception (even when wrapped in an object) is kinda creepy
21:50 cfedde the whole concept of exceptions is kind of dodgy.
22:00 genio Someone needs to remove or do something sensible with https://metacpan.org/pod/Exception
22:01 Grinnz_ D:
22:02 genio I've tried emailing the maintainer, but it bounces.
22:05 cfedde we need a project to reclaim the good names with reasonable modules.
22:07 lluad Looks like Adam Kennedy might be the other maintainer, and he should be fairly easy to contact.
22:14 haarg he doesn't have comaint
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22:16 haarg https://github.com/gigamonkey https://twitter.com/peterseibel
22:20 haarg genio: you could try emailing him at peter@gigamonkeys.com, and cc modules@cpan.org
22:20 haarg since he likely doesn't have access to the pause account anymore
22:41 cfedde I learned lisp from him.
22:43 batman jberger, sri: -1 from me as well. mostly because of "meh" :(
22:44 genio haarg: Ahh, doing so now.
22:51 genio Email sent.  If he grants me privileges, maybe we can turn it into something useful.
22:52 pink_mist you could also take a look at 'error' which I believe ingy has expressed interest in getting someone to take over
22:54 pink_mist oh wait, I remembered the name wrong
22:54 pink_mist https://metacpan.org/pod/distribution/Error-errors/lib/errors.pod
22:58 sri oh, batman has a point too
22:59 sri is there actually a case where you don't want the warning to point out you screwed up?
22:59 genio hrm.  making Exceptions useful might be a bit easier as it doesn't currently install anywhere and that means nobody's using it at all.  Clean slate with no assumptions as to behavior.
23:00 Grinnz_ hasn't installed since 2002, judging by cpantesters
23:00 Grinnz_ since at least*
23:01 genio Yea, I look at Exceptions as just claiming a namespace for the fist time.  I see no purpose in attempting to use the current module in any way
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