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IRC log for #mojo, 2016-05-08

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00:15 bpmedley https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVi1LmRuKQ0NINQfjKLVen7J2lZFL35wP <-- sri, have you seen this?
00:23 jberger bpmedley: that link is to 35 videos
00:23 jberger Can you give us a tldr on it?
00:24 bpmedley I only remember that sri and others have mentioned they liked architecture discussions.  I haven't watched them all, just starting really.
00:25 jberger Ah
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02:48 sri would be nice if someone else could try the changes in master with ubuntu on windows if i have to wait 3+ days :S
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10:57 punter long live the mojo
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15:49 sri *crickets*
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16:51 bpmedley https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3HshTWuQ3g
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18:56 mdom_ bpmedley:
18:56 mdom_ Unfortunately, this video is not available in your country because it could contain music from SME, for which we could not agree on conditions of use with GEMA.
18:56 mdom_ The fun
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20:19 bpmedley mdom: Wow, sorry about that..
20:30 mdom Heh, nothing to worry about ... it's more our fault as country as yours... :)
20:30 bpmedley What country is that?
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20:31 mdom Germany, GEMA is our state-authorized collecting society for musical arts
20:32 bpmedley Guten morgen
20:32 mdom Uhm, maybe in eight hours ... :)
20:32 bpmedley Gaw
21:03 punter I'm wondering: Am I allowed to re-define the flash method of Mojolicious::Controller with something compatible with my homebrewn Session mechanism?
21:03 punter Or will something else fail if I do that?
21:04 Grinnz why not just define your own separate helper?
21:04 punter Hmm... because I liked the name "flash" :-)
21:04 punter Ok, I'll choose a different name
21:05 punter can I name my helper flash?
21:05 bpmedley punter: If you name the helper with the same name, then people will get confused..
21:05 punter which people?
21:06 punter I'm all alone on this project
21:06 bpmedley Developers looking over your code
21:06 punter The interface is identical
21:06 punter with flash
21:06 punter so no confusiion
21:07 Grinnz I am not sure it will override the actual method, but you could try it I guess
21:08 Grinnz either way I wouldn't rely on it doing so
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21:08 punter yess
21:10 punter what's another good name for flash then/
21:10 punter ?
21:11 bpmedley punter: persist?
21:12 punter the reddit guy in the videos bpmedley posted, said that he doesn't like features like sessions & flash in web frameworks... these are features that need to be developed in-house. We should ask sri to be able to remove them from the namespace if we want!
21:13 punter ok, persist
21:13 bpmedley Odd.  Perhaps I should have viewed them all before posting.. :-O
21:30 sri punter: why?
21:31 sri and what do you even mean?
21:32 punter ok ok, i wasn't 100% serious first of all
21:32 sri you're making some pretty bold statements, better back them up!
21:32 punter yes
21:33 * sri is slightly irritated
21:33 punter ok but the guy in the videos said that certain core features of frameworks are good and needed, but certain other features that are peripheral, should not be relied upon by companies, because you'll eventually run into trouble because you don't know how they're implemented or something like that
21:33 punter I'm backing them up
21:33 punter I won't make bold statements again
21:34 punter In my case it's not that I don't trust how you've made them, though.
21:34 bpmedley punter: Very odd statement considering all the code is available.
21:34 punter My case is that I've created different session mechanism, because of my slightly different needs.
21:34 sri ok, i'm not going to take this serious anymore
21:35 punter ok
21:36 punter So I'm going to make a different flash method, also, to make it compatible with my sessions. The only problem is that 'flash' is taken, so I'll name it 'myflash' which is sub-optimal.
21:36 punter that's all. I'm returning to coding now.
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21:46 sri if you were not serious you've taken a bad joke too far
21:47 jberger sri: punter has a different session mechanism and so he is reimplementing the flash mechanism in it
21:48 sri jberger: i don't care, i'm just irritated he poked me with this mess
21:48 jberger punter: if you haven't overridden the session method you could still use the core flash mechanism
21:48 jberger Even if you don't use the mojo session for your authentication
21:48 jberger sri: fair enough
21:48 punter When I said I wasn't serious, I meant I didn't expect you to change Mojolicious just because of my wish (because I'm only one person)
21:49 punter but still i would be happy if I could override those 2-3 methods
21:49 punter safeluy
21:50 sri if you have a serious proposal present it properly (so someone else than me can review it)
21:50 punter ok
21:50 jberger punter: why couldn't you override methods m
21:50 jberger ?
21:50 jberger s/m//
21:51 punter jberger: because maybe in the future versions of Mojolicious these methods will be required by other stuff in Mojo and will break Mojo if overriden
21:51 punter jberger: so my overriding them will not be future proof
21:51 jberger That's like any software
21:51 sri water is wet!
21:51 jberger That's why your controllers inherit from Mojolicious::Controller
21:54 punter jberger: ok
21:56 jberger My point wasn't clear there. I mean inherit from rather than implement or monkey patch
21:59 punter I'll use the built-in flash method. Works fine.
21:59 punter just one more cookie, that's all
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23:56 bpmedley https://gist.github.com/brianmed/c4531e9abc70d1bc7647105f037630f1 <-- What do y'all think of this Postgres backup strategy given an hourly cron job that runs the mojo command?

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