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IRC log for #mojo, 2016-05-29

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07:50 mpapec batman: re:Redis2; tnx, kernel buffering is good enough guarantee for message delivery
07:50 mpapec btw, I'm not sure if I understand subscription pattern correctly
07:51 mpapec this example should enable chat among mojo workers
07:51 mpapec https://gist.github.com/mpapec/50c34c73ee22050bd41ec91b07fb7846#file-inter-pl-L83-L88
07:51 mpapec but the thing is there are multiple subscriptions per worker
07:51 mpapec and if I move marked block out of the connection event,
07:51 mpapec subscribers are lost after Redis2 makes additional connections behind the scene :/
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14:28 jberger This systemd thing is insane
14:31 iamb i agree with that as a general statement
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14:33 genio The whole systemd-run thing?
14:35 jberger Killing all your processes when you logout, yeah
14:35 genio yea.  they've gone a bit crazy
14:36 pink_mist i am with iamb here
14:38 jberger pink_mist: i don't know the names of the people involved
14:38 jberger Which side is that?
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14:39 pink_mist <jberger> This systemd thing is insane <iamb> i agree with that as a general statement
14:40 jberger Ergh, my client dropped that message
14:40 * sri never heard anything good about systemd and wonders why distros switch to something that bad
14:40 jberger Sorry iamb
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14:42 jberger sri: same. i rarely have to interact with startup systems and so i don't have much first hand experience
14:43 jberger But what i hear from people i trust is that systemd really sucks for the most part
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14:55 cpan_mojo Mojolicious-Plugin-FeedReader-0.08 by DOTAN https://metacpan.org/release/DOTAN/Mojolicious-Plugin-FeedReader-0.08
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19:26 Grinnz jberger, it's pretty great for managing services and such. it's an actual infrastructure where sysvinit is just a collection of shell scripts that happen to do the right thing most of the time. the problem is where it forces things on other aspects of the system for ideological reasons, like binary logging and this logout cleanup thing.
19:27 Grinnz for the services part, I would compare it to using a web framework in perl vs using CGI.pm
19:30 sri that makes no sense at all
19:32 sri bunch of shell scripts is a perfectly reasonable choice, CGI.pm is garbage
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19:33 genio I believe CGI.pm was the "bunch of shell scripts" in this comparison.
19:33 sri yes, and that comparison makes no sense
19:34 genio it does, in my opinion.  The service scripts are so much easier in systemd than the sysvinit ever was.  running as a specific user, jailing to a directory, etc.
19:35 Grinnz the other factor is that there are other options than sysvinit and systemd, just none of them have gained traction, systemd only did because redhat forced it through
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22:45 dave systemd is much more vulnerable to hackery than a shell script is. You can also fix the shell script quickly; a new systemd requires sources and compilers and is much harder to fix.
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