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IRC log for #mojo, 2016-08-03

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00:56 _dave_ man, all the DDoS today
00:57 Grinnz supposedly cheaters mad that they got banned from overwatch
00:57 Grinnz the blizzard ddos
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01:58 jberger hahahaha http://stackoverflow.com/questions/38718690/huge-number-of-files-generated-for-every-angular-2-project
01:59 Grinnz yeah, just recently something updated so that different packages could use common dependencies rather than *each bundling their own copy of every dependency*
01:59 Grinnz there were like a couple hundred thousand goddamn files in that dir
02:00 Grinnz keeping in mind JS projects have way more stupid dependencies than cpan modules, such as leftpad
02:24 _dave_ ghod JS dependencies ... three module standards ... several build systems (none of which work well)...it's helping my DOOM game though
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03:26 jberger http://fortune.com/2016/08/02/bitcoin-hong-kong-hack-trading-suspended/
03:26 jberger "Bitfinex also said as it goes through individual customer losses, it may need to settle open margin positions, associated financing, or collateral affected by the security breach."
03:26 jberger They are doing bitcoin derivatives?
03:26 jberger Contract trading?
03:27 jberger I had no idea that bitcoin had those kinds of markets
03:27 jberger I guess I shouldn't have been surprised
03:27 jberger but I admit, I am actually
03:29 jberger http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-drops-12-exchange-hack-amplifies-price-decline/
03:29 jberger "Arthur Hayes, CEO of bitcoin leverage trading firm BitMEX, emphasized that ..."
03:29 jberger bitcoin leverage trading firm
03:29 jberger seriously
03:31 jberger oh and go to their FRONT PAGE! "Up to 50x leverage"
03:31 dabudabu People are crazy for still using exchanges after what happened at MtGox
03:32 jberger wtf are people doing?
03:32 jberger I've changed my mind, this is all tulip
03:33 jberger the price of bitcoin isn't high because it is a fundamentally sound independent currency blah blah blah, it hasn't found any intrinsic value for blah blah
03:33 jberger its an unregulated commodity and the vultures are capitalizing
03:33 jberger I was never in but I'm definitely out now
03:51 sri jberger: that's exactly what it is
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04:55 sri in case anyone was wondering what CVE-2016-1238 was about http://ledgersmbdev.blogspot.de/2016/08/postgresql-plperl-and-cve-2016-1238.html
04:55 sri yea, that CVE is still super secret...
04:56 sri but hey, who doesn't love learning about possible perl security issues from random blogs, good going there p5p!
04:58 sri ūüĎć
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12:39 jberger I don't think any of that information wasnt already public
12:39 jberger But i do know that disclosure on that cve has been a hot issue
12:40 * jberger hugs File::chdir
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14:08 nicomen was that something different from the whole FORCE_INC thing?
14:11 nicomen https://rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=127810 <-- this? https://rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=127810#txn-1412454 (reopening)
14:12 nicomen There has been a lot of activity the last week about that
14:29 jberger they are all related
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14:30 jberger I'm assuming that there is an actual vulnerability discovered in some application that is widely deployed
14:30 jberger and this is the root cause
14:31 jberger but they aren't going to disclose that application vulnerability for a while yet
14:31 jberger that's my reading of this whole thing
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14:33 nicomen a lot of perl debian modules have been patched at least
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14:46 Grinnz jberger> I'm assuming that there is an actual vulnerability discovered in some application that is widely deployed
14:46 Grinnz there is, and it's pretty bad (I briefly saw the ticket before it was re-hidden)
14:46 jberger I have my guess
14:48 jberger on another note, after several tweets raging about Trump I'm now faced with the question "should I retweet my company's post that they just made with all that stuff just before it in my timeline?"
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14:59 vicash jberger: you can rage about Hillary and balance the viewpoints
15:00 jberger I'm no Clinton fan, but seriously Trump is on a roll right now
15:01 cfedde it does not matter. He's still going to win.
15:01 jberger it would boggle my mind
15:01 jberger I still don't see it
15:02 vicash it's like Brexit
15:02 vicash people will vote against their self interest
15:02 vicash because they have been brainwashed for too long
15:02 jberger my biggest fear is Johnson getting like 18% of the vote
15:02 jberger that would really screw it up
15:02 cfedde 20% will always vote republican, 20% will vote for him as an anti-clinton.  20% will vote for him out of name recognition.
15:03 lluad s/20%/20% of white men/
15:03 jberger how can the republican base, that swift-boated John Kerry out of contention, vote for Trump after insulting the family of a fallen soldier AND accepting a purple heart as a gift
15:04 jberger he <bleep>ing said "I always wanted to get the Purple Heart. This was much easier.‚ÄĚ
15:04 bwf https://twitter.com/ericsmithrocks/status/704841254174117888
15:04 jberger what the <bleep> <bleep>ing <bleep>y <bleep>
15:04 cfedde remember that it was not the votors that swiftboated Kerry. Rather it was well funded PACS that did that.
15:05 * cfedde looks at the channel name and goes back to his regular lurking.
15:05 vicash the real problem is that the folks who are voting for Trump think that he will bring jobs back but their jobs will never come back because they just don't exist
15:06 cfedde all we have to do is make it cheaper to hier americans than to buy a robot.
15:06 jberger cfedde: that's going to be an even bigger issue when self-driving cars really hit (soon!)
15:07 jberger https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU
15:07 vicash that's not going to happen though... americans are the most expensive labor group... and companies will just invest in robots ..
15:07 vicash here in the NY/NJ area you see lots of TV ads over the years of how NY State has added factory jobs but that's about 300 jobs because most of those jobs are just managing robots
15:09 cfedde Ok. Get out your tin hats.  I'm about to propose someting that may sound crazy.  The real problem is the way money is created in this country.
15:09 Grinnz Colbert's coverage has been pretty top notch, he's bringing back the word as "THE WERD"
15:09 vicash jberger: self-driving cars have a long way to go.. not just technologically but also policy wise.. take something simple like Tesla's Autonomous driving .. which is just a fancy term for cruise control.. it has been about 8 months since it was revealed and there are lawsuits and 1 death..
15:09 cfedde jberger: that's also a good video.
15:09 jberger <3 cgpgrey
15:09 vicash cfedde: we should get out of tin hats and wear the red ones that Trump sells ;)
15:10 Grinnz the ones made in china?
15:10 vicash yea
15:14 cfedde This is exactly what I do with perl every day. I make information workers jobs easier and easier.  Thus saving more of their time and reducing the need for as many people performing that job.
15:14 jberger vicash: and yes Tesla's has had one crash, but then again, it is the LEAST intelligent of the self-driving systems
15:14 jberger it barely has a sensor stack
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15:16 cfedde the main problem we will have with introducing self driving cars is the chronic vs acute issue. We'll allow disasterous chronic problems. But a new accute problem linked to some novel technology will mandate new regulations and restrictions.
15:18 cfedde 40K people die in car crashes every year.  But one baby killed by a self driving car will introduce a prohibition for a decade.
15:20 vicash cfedde: people always will be focused on the wrong things just so that those who are in power stay in power while the sheep fight over silly issues
15:22 cfedde vicash: I'm not saying that it is good. I'm just stating the obvious. And I do agree with your sheep analogy. Most of us are pretty much sheep most of the time. That's what makes room for a few of us to be wolves and exploit our frightened herd behavior.   Now we're backto Trump.
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15:25 cfedde :-)
15:26 cfedde https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqvKjsIxT_8
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15:31 jberger ok, well that was fun, but I'm declaring us fully off topic and righting the ship
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17:13 sri jberger: the whole purple heart thing is a very american issue i think, nobody else in the world is as obsessed with their military
17:15 sri my first thought was meh
17:16 Grinnz_ sri: the funny part is that it's the republican party that is usually more obsessed with military, and here is this guy who has no regard for it as their nominee
17:16 sri i see
17:19 * genio will be soooooo happy (and yet, so sad) when this election is finally over.
17:19 genio At least imgur has my back with puppies to make me feel better: http://imgur.com/gallery/Ob9ZNPo
17:20 Grinnz_ the only hope at this point is his continued active sabotage of his own campaign
17:24 jberger sri: yeah the hard to believe thing isn't that he is messing with a purple heart (i mean it kinda is but that's not the point)
17:25 jberger It's that the Republicans have used things like this to kill opponents campaigns and sometimes careers because they actually do seem to believe in at least that much
17:25 jberger Purple Heart meaning you were wounded in service
17:26 jberger Trump never served and so having one of those is a serious no no
17:27 genio Trump--
17:29 jberger I can actually imagine that he would lose support of his own base (such as it is) if any picture comes out of him wearing it
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17:31 Riviera A serious no no?  You can buy them off ebay.
17:32 Grinnz_ but actually doing that while running for president under the republican party? he's making a farce of their ideals
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17:36 Grinnz_ its kind of like when sarah palin's unmarried daughter was pregnant on her campaign but much worse
17:37 Grinnz_ they're big on "family values"
17:44 sri yea, this concerns us non-americans a little more -.- https://twitter.com/JesseLehrich/status/760806897524015105
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17:54 mib_v8liy4 hello,
17:55 sri o/
17:59 mib_v8liy4 I wanted to ask if this is the right way to specify arguments to the prefork command? Mojolicious::Commands->start_app('MyApp', 'prefork', '--heartbeat-timeout', '300');
18:02 sri it's discouraged
18:02 sri we recommend just using command line arguments
18:03 mib_v8liy4 oh so specifying it directly? like bin/app.pl prefork --heartbeat-timeout 300
18:03 mib_v8liy4 ?
18:03 sri as can be seen here https://metacpan.org/pod/distribution/Mojolicious/lib/Mojolicious/Guides/Cookbook.pod#Pre-forking
18:05 mib_v8liy4 alright, i will do it that way, was just trying to avoid changes in puppet code :D
18:05 mib_v8liy4 thank you
18:07 sri hardcoded options in the app script seem silly
18:07 sri you could just make a small shell script with the options
18:08 sri if you really really wanted to hardcode stuff
18:10 jberger I pretty much hate Gen. Hayden and yet even he doesn't want Trump (who would probably let the CIA just tear up the bill of rights/privacy)
18:12 Grinnz_ i think the most telling is that neither Bush, and not even any other republican nominee for president attended the convention other than Bob Dole
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18:18 jberger Bob Dole is so old he might not know a convention for a narcissist demagog from a state fair tractor pull
18:19 jberger I'll give him a pass
18:19 Grinnz_ heh
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18:23 sri lol
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21:06 jberger sri: in http://mojolicious.org/perldoc/Mojolicious/Guides/Tutorial#File-uploads should the response code be 4xx? like maybe 413?
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