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IRC log for #mojo, 2016-09-10

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10:25 mishanti1 It is pretty crazy that Perl 5.8 is still being used for building new stuff.
10:27 mishanti1 The cost of migrating those platforms must be mind-boggling since they stay on the systems they are at.
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14:22 tyldis mishanti1: They are probably ignoring CPAN as well, re-inventing the wheel over and over. So an old version of Perl is probably the least of their concerns.
14:22 tyldis Besides, with VMWare that ancient OS they deployed on can live on forever and ever.
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14:30 mishanti1 tyldis: Except in one of my previous customers case, where keeping that old NT4-box alive was of critical importance as it was "unvirtualizationable" (not a word, I know).
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15:32 sri i hope the desktop version of vmware won't die
15:33 sri it's still so much faster than virtualbox
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16:02 mishanti1 Indeed it is.
16:03 mishanti1 For $work we've started using DigitalOcean-droplets controlled by Vagrant. Works pretty well for setting up multi-machine systems.
16:04 mishanti1 When we can afford buying some virtualization hardware it'll be OpenStack all the way.
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19:36 mishanti1 In case anyone wonders: accidentally plugging in a graphicscard in a running computer does not always end well.
19:37 mishanti1 Guess my old GTX570 is not hot-pluggable.
19:37 Grinnz yowch
19:39 mishanti1 It seems that another thing to note is that if a sata-cable has been unplugged during a disks operation it does not matter how quick you are plugging it back in.
19:43 mishanti1 Huh. Turns out that the disk-thing is actually just fine.
19:43 pink_mist maybe you were quick enough :P
19:43 Grinnz Well if you've turned off write caching it might have to repair something, but otherwise you'll just lose whatever it was doing
19:44 mishanti1 Oh, I was definitly not quick enough. :p
19:44 mishanti1 Once I told the good old RocketRaid card to stop freaking out and just Do The Right Thing (TM), then everything was ok.
20:55 sri yea, i need this too https://twitter.com/codinghorror/status/774702113028845568
21:07 mishanti1 Massdrop has had some pretty awesome sets the past couple of months. Too bad they are so overpriced.
21:07 mishanti1 _especially_ the keyboard-drops.
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21:20 stephan48 mishanti1: hot pluggin a graphics card?!
21:20 stephan48 i would be surprised if PCI-Express is even designed for this
21:21 mishanti1 stephan48: I was holding it above a socket to check if the in/outlets had enough clearance to the side-panel. Accidentally dropped it and while trying to catch it pushed it into the socket.
21:21 stephan48 the sata ah
21:22 mishanti1 I was lightning-quick pulling it out again though, accidentally pulling out a sata-cable as well.
21:22 stephan48 the sata thing is designed for this, until you get the controller to agreement it will just work(tm) - on anything better than a normal integrated raid controller that is
21:22 stephan48 ah
21:22 stephan48 card is toast now?
21:23 stephan48 (these need to be told to expect hotpluggin in BIOS)
21:23 stephan48 fun stuff with hardware :D
21:23 mishanti1 Nah. The OS freaked out and I had to scrape off some fried goop from between the GPU and cooler, but besides that all seems well.
21:24 mishanti1 I do not know if the goop was fried from my previous temperature experiments or from getting current without actual cooling attached.
21:41 sri psi-express over thunderbolt 3 is supposed to be hot pluggable
21:41 sri s/s/c/
21:42 sri and i suppose thunderbolt 2
21:42 sri but that wasn't designed for graphics cards as far as i remember
21:42 stephan48 yes i read about that
21:42 stephan48 but then the bus controller is actually aware that it might happen
21:43 stephan48 which is not something what would be expected of normal slots
21:43 stephan48 its like you can have the sata controller tell the OS to expect hotplugging on a sata port
21:44 stephan48 some handle that gracefully even if you do explicitly tell it to some don't
21:44 stephan48 my boards controller just ignores non hotplug ports and only does a detection cycle upon BIOS/UEFI init
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