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IRC log for #mojo, 2016-12-16

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00:00 jberger But once it takes that second shot then it is definitely useless
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00:03 neilb sri: I’m tidying up conflicting PAUSE permissions. There a bunch of clashes like Mojolicious::Command::Eval vs Mojolicious::Command::eval, and Mojolicious::Command::Fastcgi vs Mojolicious::Command::fastcgi
00:03 neilb The capitalised versions are no longer used - it's the lowercase variants that a
00:03 neilb re indexed. Am I ok to drop all perms on the unused packages?
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01:19 jberger neilb i believe that's true. The capital names will not be available again correct?
01:19 pink_mist correct
01:21 jberger Then I see no problem with that
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03:28 cpan_mojo Mojo-Ecrawler-0.02 by ORANGE https://metacpan.org/release/ORANGE/Mojo-Ecrawler-0.02
04:07 jberger ^^ that's ... ummmm
04:08 Grinnz a headscratcher
04:29 genio o.O
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08:24 neilb jberger: cool, thanks.
08:49 sri neilb: wait a minute, co-maint owners have the power to give up permissions for the first-come holder? :O
08:55 neilb sri: no
08:56 neilb I haven’t touched anything, was still waiting to hear from you
09:12 sri ok, you scared me there for a second :)
09:13 sri hahaha, i need this https://twitter.com/codinghorror/status/809601261972561920
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09:24 neilb sri: am I ok to drop permissions on the capitalised versions of the packages?
09:25 sri neilb: afraid not, i'd have to see a list of the namespaces before i can agree
09:26 neilb Ok, I’ll email you them
09:26 sri appreciated
09:28 neilb np
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12:15 sri so, i want a button_to tag helper
12:25 Lee @H%#n,u:XQuQMw`9
12:25 Lee iterm--
12:25 marcus -_-
12:26 Lee maybe OSX-- # not quite sure
12:28 coolo but it's a pretty good password
12:29 Lee random passwd's FTW
12:31 sri if by "good" you mean impossible to memorize and needs to be kept on a post-it note on your monitor -.-
12:32 Lee memoirizing passwords is idiotic
12:52 vicash use KeepassX to store and generate unique passwords per login. no cloud stuff, more secure.
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13:11 exp-innit i memorise maybe 4 or 5 passwords and use keepass for the rest
13:12 exp-innit with the http browser plugin it's rather superb
13:12 exp-innit very very few sites where i have a duplicated password
13:12 exp-innit and the master key is something like 15 characters long and only typed on two devices
13:29 vicash exp-innit: ideally you would use a key-file and a password together to lock the database in keepassx
13:34 exp-innit vicash: yeah but that's a little impractical, i don't like inserting usb drives into unknown computers
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15:59 sri oh, i missed damians latest module https://metacpan.org/pod/Dios
16:01 jberger yeah, I've been meaning to try that out
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16:20 Grinnz vicash: indeed, keepass means all my logins have 20 char unique passwords
16:26 jberger do people like keepass better than lastpass?
16:27 jberger I even started looking at https://www.passwordstore.org/ lately, but the surrounding tooling looks pretty haphazard
16:28 jberger sri: ha I just saw the perlbuzz post, is that where you saw Dios?
16:29 jberger I was chatting with petdance in private and mentioned it to him
16:29 jberger small world
16:29 purl ... but I wouldn't want to paint it.
16:29 * jberger pats purl
16:29 purl don't mess with me
16:40 Grinnz jberger: keepass gives you an encrypted password file to deal with as you wish, rather than storing them in some third party
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17:03 tyldis I talked to Damian shortly before the perl 5.22 release and he said it would break stuff in Dios. Not sure about current state.
17:03 tyldis He pointed to Kavorka for something more reliable
17:04 pink_mist I'd rather suggest Function::Parameters than Kavorka
17:05 Grinnz kavorka has been having similar problems with new perls
17:05 Grinnz kavorka is very different from dios though
17:05 Grinnz much more like F::P
17:06 Grinnz Moops would be the other thing i'd look at for something like Dios
17:06 Grinnz but that also relies on questionable modules...
17:07 Grinnz as well as Kavorka
17:08 tyldis Dios was updated in July so it might not be broken
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17:57 perlpilot Kavorka relies on Data::Alias.  Data::Alias does not work with 5.24
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18:15 kes Is there a way to setup parent route for PODRenderer?
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19:05 vicash Grinnz: yea keepassx is definitely better.. you should use 64 character passwords for sites that allow it such as the big ones like google/yahoo/microsoft/facebook/twitter.
19:07 vicash jberger: I use keepassx on both Mac and Linux, and  rsync the database files between the two systems using a cron job..  yes it doesn't solve phone based web surfing, but I try to avoid logging into services that don't provide phone apps on the phone anyway.. phone apps you have to type in a password once but dont have to again..
19:08 vicash jberger: lastpass had some issues lately and it is always vulnerable to the cloud problem of getting hacked or just bad software development related to securing data... to hack my keepass someone has to have access to my systems and that is a bigger problem anyway
19:13 * vicash thinks Dios looks like writing C++ in Perl
19:25 suede vicash: What is Dios?
19:26 preaction https://metacpan.org/pod/Dios
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20:14 Grinnz vicash: there is an offline KeePass app for Android that i use
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21:21 karjala The kickstarter campaign for brian d foy's book has been a success
21:22 karjala Maybe there's hope for a Mojolicious book some day
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21:51 sri our problem is lack of author, not funding
21:52 sri we are all overemployed and have no time for writing
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22:17 pink_mist didn't bpmedley have something?
22:18 preaction he started something, i think. not sure how far he got
22:30 jberger I still have hopes, but yeah, ENOTIME
22:36 mishanti1 Speaking of books. Anyone have any recommendations on books about Redis design patterns? The intertubes seems full of recommended design patterns that I definitly would put in the "wait, wat?"-category.
22:37 Grinnz what sort of design patterns? most of mine are "run a bunch of things in transaction, try to use expiring keys as much as possible, zip zip speedy"
22:38 Grinnz the redis docs have very helpful sections on things also
22:39 mishanti1 Grinnz: Well, at $work we have an decently sized application wherein we have moved several queues and such to Redis. I would like to investigate the possibilities of moving more to Redis. Reading books usually gives me some ideas as to what would be sensible to move.
22:39 mishanti1 And yes, the Redis docs are pretty good.
22:40 Grinnz yeah, i'm doing the same process with our application, we set up redis because mysql was deadlocking with login sessions
22:40 Grinnz and now i'm shoving whatever is suitable into it, because redis is FAAAAAST
22:41 mishanti1 Indeed it is. I also appreciate that they have made no attempts at emulating SQL.
22:41 Grinnz yeah. KISS at its finest
22:41 Grinnz and yet, with very pragmatic feature additions
22:41 mishanti1 Makes you have to _think_ instead of just doing things like you always have.
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23:33 good_news_everyon [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v17qH
23:33 good_news_everyon mojo/master d0480f9 Sebastian Riedel: add button_to and csrf_button_to helpers
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23:33 sri i think those are pretty valuable
23:34 * sri thinks all the stuff this helper generates automatically is pretty cool http://mojolicious.org/perldoc/Mojolicious/Plugin/TagHelpers#csrf_button_to
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23:37 good_news_everyon [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v17mY
23:37 good_news_everyon mojo/master e1da866 Sebastian Riedel: shorter description
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23:38 sri you can argue about how to enable the csrf feature, but two helpers seems better than a flag to me (at least for now)
23:39 jberger +1
23:39 purl 1
23:48 sri i'm still really surprised that we don't get more bug reports for Mojo::IOLoop->subprocess
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