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Bugaboo75 joined #motoactv |
| 00:14 |
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Bugaboo75 |
Hi, is anyone on? I was asked to join this channel so the motoactv 16gb image could be extracted. |
| 00:16 |
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[mbm] |
hello |
| 00:17 |
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Bugaboo75 |
hi |
| 00:17 |
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[mbm] |
are you familiar with fastboot already? |
| 00:18 |
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Bugaboo75 |
for phones - haven't done anything with the motoactv other than peruse xda |
| 00:18 |
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[mbm] |
works exactly the same way |
| 00:18 |
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Bugaboo75 |
ok sounds good. I'm very good at following directions. ;) |
| 00:19 |
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[mbm] |
what version is the motoactv running? |
| 00:19 |
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Bugaboo75 |
the latest version. let me check what it is on motocast |
| 00:20 |
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[mbm] |
nah, not important |
| 00:20 |
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Bugaboo75 |
OK, had checked for any updates, and there weren't any, so I think I'm on the latest |
| 00:20 |
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[mbm] |
http://dl.opticaldelusion.org/recovery.img |
| 00:20 |
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[mbm] |
http://dl.opticaldelusion.org/misc.img |
| 00:21 |
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[mbm] |
after flashing those it should boot into recovery with adb active |
| 00:22 |
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Bugaboo75 |
do I need to download drivers for adb? |
| 00:22 |
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[mbm] |
dunno, I use linux ;) |
| 00:23 |
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Bugaboo75 |
hmm, I'm on Windows 7... |
| 00:24 |
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[mbm] |
first step is to use fastboot to flash misc and recovery |
| 00:25 |
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Bugaboo75 |
OK, what buttons do I need to press to get into fastboot? |
| 00:26 |
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[mbm] |
power off, hold down start and press power |
| 00:28 |
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Bugaboo75 |
My firefox is running a bit wonky. Let me restart and I'll re-join. |
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Bugaboo75_ |
sorry mbm, back on |
| 00:31 |
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[mbm] |
re. |
| 00:31 |
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Bugaboo75_ |
so go into fastboot - without being connected to computer right? |
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| 00:34 |
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Bugaboo75 |
sorry, I got booted off somehow. mbm, fastboot w/o being connected to computer right? |
| 00:37 |
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[mbm] |
hmm? you're supposed to connect to fastboot and flash those two images I gave earlier |
| 00:38 |
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Bugaboo75 |
ok, but taking a quick look at the motactv wiki, it looks like I may need drivers for the motoactv |
| 00:39 |
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Bugaboo75 |
I had set up drivers for my phone, with fastboot image, and am unsure if I need to uninstall before running fastboot and flashing the 2 images |
| 00:40 |
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[mbm] |
shouldn't need to |
| 00:41 |
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[mbm] |
suggest just trying to flash and deal ith problem as they happen instead of obsessing over things which may not even matter |
| 00:43 |
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Bugaboo75 |
gotcha, gimme a few minutes - I gotta take a call |
| 00:43 |
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* kr1t1c4l |
wanders off during the ad break |
| 00:45 |
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Bugaboo75 |
ok, I'm back and in fastboot mode |
| 00:46 |
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Bugaboo75 |
what commands to flash the 2 files? |
| 00:48 |
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[mbm] |
fastboot flash recovery recovery.img |
| 00:48 |
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[mbm] |
fastboot flash misc misc.img |
| 00:48 |
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[mbm] |
fastboot reboot |
| 00:50 |
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Bugaboo75 |
damn, says fastboot command not recognized |
| 00:50 |
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Bugaboo75 |
I think I may need specific motoactv drivers |
| 00:51 |
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[mbm] |
you're confusing drivers and ccommands |
| 00:51 |
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Bugaboo75 |
LOL, you're probably right. |
| 00:51 |
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[mbm] |
you need the fastboot.exe util |
| 00:51 |
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[mbm] |
which if you've used fastboot before you probably have somewhere |
| 00:52 |
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Bugaboo75 |
gotcha, so the fastboot that I used for rooting my phone will be okay to use? |
| 00:52 |
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[mbm] |
yep |
| 00:52 |
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Bugaboo75 |
ok, lemme try again then |
| 00:53 |
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Bugaboo75 |
bingo |
| 00:53 |
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Bugaboo75 |
worked this time |
| 00:54 |
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Bugaboo75 |
now I have a prompt on the motoactv that says "reboot system now." How do I do this? |
| 00:55 |
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[mbm] |
that's just recovery, ignore what it says on the screen for now |
| 00:55 |
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Bugaboo75 |
ok, what next then? |
| 00:55 |
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[mbm] |
now you need to connect to it from adb |
| 00:56 |
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Bugaboo75 |
okay, isn't this where I need specific drivers to connect by adb? |
| 00:56 |
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[mbm] |
try it first and see what happens :P |
| 00:58 |
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Bugaboo75 |
okay, what command do you want me to type for adb? |
| 00:58 |
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[mbm] |
adb shell |
| 00:59 |
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Bugaboo75 |
ok, that seemed to work |
| 00:59 |
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[mbm] |
cool. |
| 01:00 |
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Bugaboo75 |
now I have a /# prompt |
| 01:00 |
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Bugaboo75 |
what next? |
| 01:01 |
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[mbm] |
right, so now we need to start grabbing copies of all the partitions |
| 01:01 |
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Bugaboo75 |
ok, lemme know what I need to type in |
| 01:02 |
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[mbm] |
chmod 777 /dev/block/* |
| 01:02 |
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Bugaboo75 |
didn't seem to do anything |
| 01:03 |
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[mbm] |
that's fine |
| 01:03 |
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Bugaboo75 |
ok |
| 01:04 |
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Bugaboo75 |
what next? |
| 01:04 |
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[mbm] |
next thing is to run "cat /proc/partitions" .. it'll give you a nice list, copy it into notepad or something |
| 01:06 |
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Bugaboo75 |
got the listing - how the hell do you copy from the cmd window?? |
| 01:06 |
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Bugaboo75 |
or I guess I can take a screen shot |
| 01:06 |
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Bugaboo75 |
ok, got a screenshot |
| 01:07 |
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[mbm] |
windows? click the dos ion in the left of the title bar, edit->mark |
| 01:07 |
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[mbm] |
drag a selection and then edit->copy |
| 01:09 |
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Bugaboo75 |
ok, cool, got it |
| 01:09 |
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Bugaboo75 |
now what? |
| 01:09 |
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[mbm] |
actually, go to http://pastebin.com paste that and give me the url of the paste |
| 01:10 |
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Bugaboo75 |
okay, pasted it in. just click "submit"? |
| 01:11 |
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[mbm] |
yep |
| 01:11 |
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Bugaboo75 |
http://pastebin.com/1jdjVUvQ |
| 01:11 |
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Bugaboo75 |
hopefully you can see the info |
| 01:12 |
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[mbm] |
yep, |
| 01:12 |
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Bugaboo75 |
ok, cool |
| 01:12 |
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[mbm] |
looks almost identical to the 8g version |
| 01:12 |
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Bugaboo75 |
but not exactly? |
| 01:12 |
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[mbm] |
the emstorage is larger |
| 01:12 |
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Bugaboo75 |
guess that makes sense |
| 01:12 |
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Bugaboo75 |
if it's just the storage component |
| 01:13 |
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Bugaboo75 |
what next? |
| 01:13 |
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[mbm] |
so now we need to backup partitions, the important ones are boot and system |
| 01:13 |
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Bugaboo75 |
ok, please give me the adb commands and I'll type in |
| 01:14 |
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[mbm] |
boot is mmcblk1p12, so drop out of adb shell and run the command "adb pull /dev/block/mmcblk1p12 boot.img" |
| 01:16 |
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Bugaboo75 |
hmm, I typed in exit, and then typed in your command, but got this message: remote object '/dev/block/mmcblk1p12' not a file or directory |
| 01:17 |
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[mbm] |
huh; are you sure you typed it correctly? |
| 01:17 |
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Bugaboo75 |
I'll try again. had copied and pasted in |
| 01:18 |
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Bugaboo75 |
dunno what's wrong, but still get the same error |
| 01:19 |
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Bugaboo75 |
the command window is still opened from the folder with fastboot |
| 01:19 |
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[mbm] |
try this - |
| 01:19 |
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[mbm] |
adb shell ls -l /dev/block/mmcblk1p12 |
| 01:20 |
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Bugaboo75 |
that did something |
| 01:20 |
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[mbm] |
yes, but I need to know what it said |
| 01:21 |
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[mbm] |
it it start with brwxrwxrwx ? |
| 01:21 |
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Bugaboo75 |
brwxrwxrwx 1 0 0 179, 44 Jan 1 00:09 ←[1;35m/dev/block/mmcblk 1p12←[0m |
| 01:21 |
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[mbm] |
ok, good, not a permissions problem |
| 01:22 |
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Bugaboo75 |
tried entering the adb pull command, but still getting the same message. ?? |
| 01:23 |
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kr1t1c4l |
theres a space in the file name mmcblk 1p12 ? |
| 01:23 |
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[mbm] |
assumed that was a cut and paste error |
| 01:24 |
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Bugaboo75 |
there shouldn't be a space, right? |
| 01:24 |
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kr1t1c4l |
ah |
| 01:24 |
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Bugaboo75 |
ok, am guessing you figured it out? |
| 01:26 |
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[mbm] |
just firing up my windows machine to see if there's some stupidity with running adb under windows |
| 01:26 |
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Bugaboo75 |
may be me doing something stupid |
| 01:26 |
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Bugaboo75 |
but I've had adb work before when working with my phones |
| 01:28 |
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Bugaboo75 |
whoa, I entered in the adb pull, with a space in the file name like you had mentioned, and it spit out a lot of text |
| 01:29 |
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Bugaboo75 |
you want me to drop into pastebin again? |
| 01:30 |
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Bugaboo75 |
http://pastebin.com/p8PYeLRH |
| 01:32 |
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kr1t1c4l |
Bugaboo75: thats just help stuff when the program doesn't understand the command |
| 01:32 |
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Bugaboo75 |
gotcha |
| 01:33 |
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Bugaboo75 |
not really sure why the command isn't working, since I've both pasted and typed in the adb pull command |
| 01:33 |
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[mbm] |
hmm, my windows machine is also acting weird with the pull command |
| 01:33 |
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Bugaboo75 |
hmm, so it's not me doing something stupid |
| 01:33 |
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Bugaboo75 |
that's a start |
| 01:33 |
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kr1t1c4l |
adb pull <remote> [<local>] - copy file/dir from device |
| 01:34 |
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kr1t1c4l |
thats from the help output |
| 01:34 |
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[mbm] |
kr1t1c4l: yeah, but I'm cutting corners trying to pull data directly from the flash without creating files |
| 01:34 |
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kr1t1c4l |
ah |
| 01:34 |
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[mbm] |
guess we'll do it the slow way |
| 01:35 |
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[mbm] |
go back in adb shell |
| 01:35 |
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Bugaboo75 |
i'm in |
| 01:35 |
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Bugaboo75 |
and should I be worried about battery, since my screen has been on for a while? |
| 01:35 |
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Bugaboo75 |
wasn't sure if there would be an issue if battery ran down |
| 01:36 |
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[mbm] |
hasn't been in there that long |
| 01:36 |
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Bugaboo75 |
ok good |
| 01:36 |
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Bugaboo75 |
how long, will the long way take? |
| 01:36 |
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[mbm] |
anyway, "mount /dev/block/emstorage /sdcard" |
| 01:37 |
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Bugaboo75 |
done |
| 01:37 |
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[mbm] |
cp /dev/block/boot /sdcard/boot.img |
| 01:38 |
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Bugaboo75 |
done |
| 01:38 |
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[mbm] |
umount /sdcard |
| 01:39 |
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Bugaboo75 |
got this message: /system/bin/sh: unmount: not found |
| 01:39 |
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[mbm] |
umount /sdcard |
| 01:39 |
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[mbm] |
second letter is an m ;) |
| 01:39 |
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Bugaboo75 |
sorry, got it. worked this time |
| 01:40 |
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[mbm] |
then look at the motoactv, make sure reboot is selected and hit the start button |
| 01:40 |
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Bugaboo75 |
okay, did it, and now it looks like it's rebooting |
| 01:41 |
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[mbm] |
when it boots back up you should be able to copy boot.img off the usb drive |
| 01:41 |
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Bugaboo75 |
okay, it's rebooted |
| 01:41 |
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Bugaboo75 |
battery is 30% |
| 01:41 |
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Bugaboo75 |
charging by usb now |
| 01:42 |
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Bugaboo75 |
what now? |
| 01:42 |
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Bugaboo75 |
or should I charge to 100% and try again tomorrow? |
| 01:42 |
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[mbm] |
plug it in the computer, it should show up as a removable usb drive |
| 01:43 |
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Bugaboo75 |
yeah, it is |
| 01:43 |
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[mbm] |
grab a copy of boot.img and upload it somewhere |
| 01:43 |
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[mbm] |
(mediafire?) |
| 01:44 |
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Bugaboo75 |
or I can drop into dropbox - I think I can send you the folder link |
| 01:44 |
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[mbm] |
that works |
| 01:45 |
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Bugaboo75 |
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6642209/boot.img |
| 01:45 |
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Bugaboo75 |
see if you can download |
| 01:47 |
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Bugaboo75 |
now what? |
| 01:48 |
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[mbm] |
got it. |
| 01:49 |
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Bugaboo75 |
ok cool |
| 01:49 |
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[mbm] |
probably best to just let the battery charge before doing anything else |
| 01:50 |
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Bugaboo75 |
OK, sounds good. I'll rejoin again tomorrow night. Will you be back on (~7:30 pm EST)? |
| 01:51 |
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[mbm] |
I probably on't be around until closer to 9pm |
| 01:52 |
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Bugaboo75 |
ok, will try then. Have a good one. |
| 01:52 |
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[mbm] |
at this point you can reflash boot.img with the rooted version but I'd like to get a copy of system before you go mangling any files there |
| 01:52 |
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Bugaboo75 |
yeah, don't wanna mess anything up without getting a backup! |
| 01:53 |
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Bugaboo75 |
will hold off on flashing anything until we chat again tomorrow night |
| 01:56 |
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utkanos |
nice [mbm] |
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kljalkdjf |
whowas cubecloudos |
| 02:22 |
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kljalkdjf |
it was me... |
| 02:22 |
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kljalkdjf |
im having trouble though |
| 02:23 |
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kljalkdjf |
I flashed CleadDroid rom |
| 02:23 |
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kljalkdjf |
and now it won't boot at all |
| 02:23 |
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kljalkdjf |
can anyone help? |
| 02:23 |
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kljalkdjf |
it doesn't even turn on at all... |
| 02:25 |
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kljalkdjf |
I can't get into fastboot either... |
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CEnnis91 |
oh thats right yesterday was sunday |
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CEnnis91 |
[mbm]: is this the 16gb boot.img? 9:45:14 PM <Bugaboo75> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6642209/boot.img |
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[mbm] |
should be |
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[mbm] |
he's supposed to come back at 9pm eastern to sort out how to backup system |
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utkanos |
gentlemen |
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dproldan |
sir |
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CEnnis91 |
[mbm]: so, i just got around to diff-ing, it IS only the kernel that differs at this point |
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utkanos |
dproldan, comí el mejor huarache que he probado este sábado, la masa era perfecta y hecha a mano :) |
| 17:01 |
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dproldan |
me alegro, no hay nada como una buena comida :-) |
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utkanos |
dproldan: gracias, estoy de acuerdo |
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dproldan |
<--- flashing a new CM7 build, crosses fingers |
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utkanos |
:) |
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utkanos |
awesome |
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bigbob |
sweet |
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dproldan |
rebooting.... |
| 17:12 |
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bigbob |
I am thinking about picking up a Motoactv today....that might have just made my decision...lol |
| 17:12 |
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dproldan |
too soon :-P |
| 17:13 |
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dproldan |
doesn't boot |
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dproldan |
is it possible to see what's inside a initramfs? |
| 17:14 |
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[mbm] |
CEnnis91: yeah, saw that already, and I suspect the only thing in the kernel that differs is the build timestamp |
| 17:15 |
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[mbm] |
CEnnis91: still, if we're going to offer a return to stock we need all the sha1 hashes to match or the next ota fails on applypatch |
| 17:15 |
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bigbob |
I am not a fitness buff, but I do have an obsession with tinkering, android and watches. Would you guys recommend I pick one up for those reasons? l clearly see there is still dev. support which is a big plus. |
| 17:16 |
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dproldan |
sure, I bought one for those same reasons |
| 17:19 |
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[mbm] |
dproldan: sure, initramfs is just a cpio.gz |
| 17:19 |
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dproldan |
ok, let me try |
| 17:20 |
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[mbm] |
bigbob: it's basically a droid1 with a tiny screen (no 3g though) |
| 17:21 |
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bigbob |
Cool...does it place nicely with non-moto phones or does it have to be modified first? |
| 17:21 |
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bigbob |
sorry I meant play nicely |
| 17:22 |
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[mbm] |
think the motoactv app that syncs it to phones is locked down to only run on moto phones |
| 17:22 |
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dproldan |
I used the wrong word, I was already comparing the ramdisk of the stock boot.img to the one that I'm building, |
| 17:22 |
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dproldan |
I want to compare "init" inside the ramdisk |
| 17:22 |
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[mbm] |
not that it really needs to be connected to a phone |
| 17:23 |
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[mbm] |
dproldan: init is a binary that runs the init.rc stuff |
| 17:23 |
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bigbob |
I gonna go get one...I am sure I will be bothering you guys later....Thanks for the feed back. |
| 17:23 |
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dproldan |
there's a hacked motoactvapp that works with non.motorola phones, and they're also releasing a new one this motnh |
| 17:24 |
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bigbob |
Great thanks dproldan |
| 17:24 |
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[mbm] |
hmm, just saw a news article about yet another stock firmware update |
| 17:24 |
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utkanos |
yeah another FW update coming soon |
| 17:24 |
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utkanos |
dproldan: pm |
| 17:25 |
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[mbm] |
http://www.droid-life.com/2012[…]w-quick-hands-on/ |
| 17:25 |
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[mbm] |
not sure if that differs from the golf one I loaded on saturday |
| 17:26 |
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utkanos |
interesting how many updates there are to this device |
| 17:26 |
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utkanos |
yet all the other moto stuff is ancient and very behind on updates |
| 17:26 |
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bigbob |
Ya, that really doesn't make sense, since it's more of a niche device |
| 17:27 |
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utkanos |
and.. in typical moto fashion, they're going to split their customer base by introducing essentially the exact same thing with diff software in the 'golf' edition |
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[mbm] |
maybe it's because they don't need to pass carrier and reglitory testing |
| 17:27 |
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utkanos |
lol |
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utkanos |
you mean due to lack of radio? |
| 17:28 |
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utkanos |
telephony that is |
| 17:28 |
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[mbm] |
utkanos: just wait until they make a motoactv golf maxx, few mm thicker and double the battery :P |
| 17:28 |
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[mbm] |
utkanos: yeah |
| 17:28 |
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utkanos |
yeh exactly |
| 17:28 |
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utkanos |
its a shame |
| 17:29 |
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utkanos |
they should focus on making one good core product |
| 17:29 |
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bigbob |
lmao...moto got me with that on the razr...really pissed me off |
| 17:29 |
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utkanos |
it's absurd sholes is basically up to droid 4 |
| 17:29 |
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utkanos |
in less than 2 years |
| 17:29 |
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utkanos |
each one has one slight modification |
| 17:30 |
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[mbm] |
utkanos: well, let ke put it this way; nobody pays for android os upgrades, so there's no profit in it, people do however buy new phones when their phone nolonger runs a recent os |
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utkanos |
I totally understand that |
| 17:31 |
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[mbm] |
evil, but it's the truth |
| 17:31 |
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utkanos |
but at the same time, I feel its really aggressive with moto |
| 17:31 |
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utkanos |
at least compared to say HTC |
| 17:31 |
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utkanos |
where the evo is STILL somehow selling incredibly well |
| 17:31 |
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[mbm] |
ditto, I hate the fact that most of the hardware is locked down |
| 17:32 |
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utkanos |
yep |
| 17:32 |
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bigbob |
Well it seems lately moto has been the worst with releasing devices with very little differences, thats why I went to the Sammy Gnex |
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utkanos |
I'm sort of bitter about toro |
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utkanos |
because of google's dropped AOSP support |
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utkanos |
but I'll leave that impotent rage for another day |
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bigbob |
lol,,,thanks...I gonna go get my shiny new what...yall have a good one. |
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bigbob |
*watch |
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dproldan |
heh |
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dproldan |
he'll be back asking about 8GB or 16GB |
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CEnnis91 |
[mbm]: true, which means we still need to grab each boot.img and system.img for the 16gb as they come? |
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[mbm] |
CEnnis91: nah, we only need one complete set per device |
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CEnnis91 |
oh, thats true, then they just apply multiple updates |
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[mbm] |
can always run update-binary manually to walk a set forward to the next release |
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[mbm] |
btw, see above? they already pushed out another golf update |
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CEnnis91 |
lol...is it active this time |
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CEnnis91 |
or does it still need a manual pull |
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[mbm] |
dunno, not at home to check |
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CEnnis91 |
crap well i have work |
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CEnnis91 |
bbl |
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manielse |
Just got my MotoACTV 16GB. Should I grab latest software updates before I root? If I root, can I get all of the new app/updates yet? |
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[mbm] |
you running windows or linux? |
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manielse |
Windows but have no issue using Linux if preferred approach |
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[mbm] |
just need someone with a stock 16g who runs linux |
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manielse |
So if someone has a stock 16g and runs linux, I can grab those new files after I root and add my multiple launchers? |
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[mbm] |
it's mostly just a matter of nobody here having a complete backup of a 16g, and it's easier to do the backup from linux |
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manielse |
Ah, gotcha |
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[mbm] |
as far as rooting you can do whatever you want, allowing for the caveat above that nobody has backups to restore it to stock if you screw up |
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[mbm] |
so I'm trying to find someone reasonably competent in linux to grab proper backups |
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manielse |
Won't call myself expert but not n00b either |
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[mbm] |
well, fire up linux and I'll try to walk you through it |
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manielse |
Not near my CentOS box, so I'd have to do it another time. Don't even have MotoACTV charging yet, just was exploring whether I should grab them updates or prevent them once booted. |
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manielse |
Will happily try to grab a backup later though. |
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[mbm] |
manielse: the updates aren't really a big deal, however all of the updates are patches to the previous firmware and relies on sha1 hashes |
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[mbm] |
and annoyingly they appear to have recompiled between the 8g and 16g models so even otherwise identical executables have different crc/md5/sha1 just based on timestamp |
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manielse |
Yeah, I got that in the message boards. |
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[mbm] |
hardware wise, the only difference is the size of the flash chip, specifically the last partition on it that acts as usb storage |
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[mbm] |
same rooting tricks, custom roms and whatever else for both 8g and 16g |
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manielse |
So, they split the partition 8g/8g? |
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[mbm] |
the 8g uses up something like 2g for various android os related partitions leaving it with about 6g of storage |
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[mbm] |
the 16g has the exact same partition layout with the exception that the last partition is about 14g |
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[mbm] |
(don't have my notes with me, so my memory may be slightly off) |
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manielse |
no prob, I'll be exploring this week. |
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[mbm] |
http://pastebin.com/1jdjVUvQ |
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[mbm] |
there we go; that's the layout of a 16g |
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[mbm] |
reasonably familiar to anyone who's done any android work, particularly on moto devices |
| 22:43 |
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manielse |
Yeah, that looks kind of like my old Moto Droid. |
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[mbm] |
yep, but easier - these use emmc instead of a nand chip |
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CEnnis91 |
god im already tired of releasing stock images for this device; time for a new method |
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[mbm] |
so it basically has a sd card soldered to it and uses a dos partition table |
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[mbm] |
CEnnis91: lol |
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CEnnis91 |
[mbm]: im just gonna have it unpack the boot.img on the device |
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CEnnis91 |
and insert the edits there |
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CEnnis91 |
make the root universal |
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[mbm] |
CEnnis91: the problem is people insist on bundling the stock images with the root tools |
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CEnnis91 |
omg dont remind me |
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CEnnis91 |
i want all root tools for this thing gone |
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[mbm] |
lol |
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[mbm] |
I can't say I blame you |
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CEnnis91 |
fastboot > recovery > ... > ... > root tools |
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CEnnis91 |
... = something that i can think of but has to be a better method then root tools |
| 22:47 |
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CEnnis91 |
cant* |
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[mbm] |
">" translates to "more awesome than"? |
| 22:47 |
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CEnnis91 |
that could imply that root tools = awesome, so no |
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CEnnis91 |
less annoying perhaps |
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[mbm] |
well, would imply fastboot is more awesome than recovery ... root tools |
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[mbm] |
and at least in terms of being incredibly direct, fastboot is awsome |
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CEnnis91 |
well yea of course |
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CEnnis91 |
is fastboot all google? |
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[mbm] |
downside is fastboot doesn't have any concept of filesystem, so changing just one file is a pain |
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CEnnis91 |
or did it exist elsewhere prior to android |
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[mbm] |
think google invented it for android |
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CEnnis91 |
also regarding the concept of filesystem, you have to admit, this is where recovery comes in as awesome =) |
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[mbm] |
redovery would be awesome if there was a hotkey for it |
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[mbm] |
requiring fastboot to get into recovery makes me more inclined to use fastboot as much as possible |
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CEnnis91 |
i still cant believe they didn't include one |
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CEnnis91 |
i find it really hard to belive |
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CEnnis91 |
have you tried the back button in the key combos? |
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[mbm] |
yep, |
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[mbm] |
I tried a ton of key combos didn't find anything other than fastboot/sbf |
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CEnnis91 |
have you tried key combos within fastboot |
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CEnnis91 |
like how you got from fastboot to sbf |
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[mbm] |
yep |
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CEnnis91 |
got it |
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[mbm] |
fastboot to sbf isn't possible; you hold down different keys at boot to get into those |
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CEnnis91 |
we should 2nd-init to make it boot into recovery =P |
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[mbm] |
oh god no |
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CEnnis91 |
oh whats the keycode for sbf? |
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[mbm] |
umm, music+power |
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CEnnis91 |
okay |
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CEnnis91 |
ill have to remember that |
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[mbm] |
actually holding down power and any other key will get you into the bootloader |
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CEnnis91 |
heh |
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[mbm] |
look at the screen to see if it says fastboot |
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manielse |
OK, I'm a n00b here but I thought I read to put the device in fastboot mode Turn off the device and hold the power key and the start key for 3 seconds then release. |
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CEnnis91 |
maybe there was a typo |
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CEnnis91 |
also, what's your opinion of this [mbm] http://forum.xda-developers.co[…]ead.php?t=1522226 |
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CEnnis91 |
bootloader menu |
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[mbm] |
manielse: iirc, hold the start key, tap power |
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manielse |
http://forum.xda-developers.co[…]ead.php?t=1454685 |
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[mbm] |
CEnnis91: that's actually nice, but it doesn't apply here |
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[mbm] |
manielse: so you gave up the idea of performing a backup first? :/ |
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CEnnis91 |
le sigh |
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manielse |
No, just trying to help in this convo :-) |
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CEnnis91 |
[mbm]: well, more of the idea of a 2nd bootloader in general |
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[mbm] |
I'm not sure we can allow references where the screenshots are that horrid ;) |
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CEnnis91 |
why wouldnt that be applicable to any device? |
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CEnnis91 |
yea what an ugly desktop he has there |
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CEnnis91 |
at least i keep my windows desktop clean for when i boot into it |
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[mbm] |
CEnnis91: it works on the nook because there actually is an sdcard slot and by toggling a few registers you can trick the cpu into booting from it -- it's not a 2ndboot/2ndinit, it literally is rebooting |
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CEnnis91 |
oh, i see |
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CEnnis91 |
(i knew it wasnt 2ndboot/2ndinit) |
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CEnnis91 |
fwiw my desktop (when the icons aren't hidden): http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5849675/windows.png |
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[mbm] |
for that matter usb boot is also possible |
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[mbm] |
problem is that on hs chips usb boot needs to be signed |
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CEnnis91 |
[mbm]: out of curiousity, what would happen if you loaded a recovery into boot.img? |
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CEnnis91 |
would it fail, or load up recovery |
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[mbm] |
it'd boot recovery |
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CEnnis91 |
thought it might |
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CEnnis91 |
now |
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[mbm] |
but then it'd also overwrite itself when the update wrote boot.img |
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CEnnis91 |
in turn, if said reboot recovery and but boot.img into recovery's slot, what would happen |
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CEnnis91 |
would android os fail, because it would be reading from the wrong partition? |
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CEnnis91 |
omg so many errors |
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CEnnis91 |
in turn, if YOU said reboot recovery and PUT boot.img into recovery's slot, what would happen |
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[mbm] |
hmm, that'd probably work |
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[mbm] |
but you'd still break ota updates for having the two swapped |
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CEnnis91 |
well yea, but in most cases, after you root, you dont want ota's =P |
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CEnnis91 |
but using that simple swap, would i really be that easy to have, say a "2nd bootloader"? |
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[mbm] |
one other thing to watch out for |
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[mbm] |
if you remember the misc trick for getting the bootloader to load recovery |
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[mbm] |
recovery itself will sometimes try to write that so if it gets interrupted it goes back into recovery |
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CEnnis91 |
if what get interrupted, recovery writing to misc? |
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[mbm] |
hmm? |
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CEnnis91 |
"...so if it gets interrupted..." |
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CEnnis91 |
what is "it" |
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[mbm] |
so, suppose the system takes an ota, writes it to cache and then reboots into recovery |
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CEnnis91 |
yep |
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[mbm] |
first thing recovery will do is write it's own commandline to misc |
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CEnnis91 |
oh |
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[mbm] |
so that if power is lost or whatever, it goes right back into recovery and loads the ota |
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CEnnis91 |
i always thought it used cache |
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[mbm] |
that's only part of it |
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CEnnis91 |
oh, so sidenote |
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CEnnis91 |
if you really want to stop and ota |
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CEnnis91 |
write a blank misc in fastboot |
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CEnnis91 |
s/and/an/ |
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[mbm] |
read the recovery sources and pay atgention to stuff like set_bootloader_message |
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* CEnnis91 |
goes to look |
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[mbm] |
heh yep, actually the bootloader wipes misc after each bootup |
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CEnnis91 |
what a surprise all instances of that func are in bootloader.c and recovery.c |
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CEnnis91 |
strlcpy(boot.command, "boot-recovery", sizeof(boot.command)); |
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CEnnis91 |
heh, that keeps coming back |
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CEnnis91 |
does it really matter where you put "boot-recovery" in misc.img? |
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CEnnis91 |
yours has it offset quite a bit |
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[mbm] |
think it does |
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