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IRC log for #motoactv, 2012-04-16

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02:30 CEnnis91 omg yea this thing is terrible rooted
02:30 CEnnis91 [mbm]: have you done anything in the ui with it being rooted, the dpi and screen size really do make it unusable
02:31 CEnnis91 without other modding
02:31 smbgaiden keyboard is my only problem.
02:31 smbgaiden would prefer similar to xperia x10 mini
02:32 CEnnis91 well
02:32 CEnnis91 what about su requests
02:32 CEnnis91 im considering removing them
02:32 smbgaiden i can tap the lower left button
02:32 CEnnis91 and just allowing everything, but thats a huge security risk
02:32 CEnnis91 really?
02:32 smbgaiden not often getting su reqs
02:33 CEnnis91 yea i cant click it
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02:34 smbgaiden tho i do wish moto would have gone for qvga
02:37 CEnnis91 well
02:37 CEnnis91 i think the screen size itself is fine
02:37 CEnnis91 but the app has to be made to scale properly
02:38 smbgaiden size is ok, wish higher dpi
02:38 CEnnis91 most apps i doubt are made to scale down this far
02:38 smbgaiden i think in android people considered QVGA at a minimum
02:40 smbgaiden had to make a custom screen in eclipse
02:40 smbgaiden qvga was smallest
02:45 smbgaiden not getting many webhits for Android qcif+, cept google is being polite and searching with relation to me and some hits are former or current colleagues profiles on linkedin
02:45 [mbm] CEnnis91: problem is if you change the dpi you break all the moto apps
02:46 CEnnis91 exactly =/
02:46 smbgaiden http://www.everytide.com/20-android-smartphones​-with-qcif-screen-qwert-keyboard-p-107428.html
02:46 smbgaiden lol
02:46 CEnnis91 [mbm]: is there any type of framework hack that can allow changing dpi on the fly?
02:46 smbgaiden i wanna update the keymap without reboot :(
02:47 CEnnis91 smbgaiden: why
02:47 smbgaiden switching between moto apps and my other apps
02:47 CEnnis91 oh
02:47 CEnnis91 i already have a fix for that
02:47 CEnnis91 well
02:47 CEnnis91 solution
02:47 smbgaiden please tell
02:50 CEnnis91 it involves some hacking
02:51 smbgaiden ah, i haven't set up a BSP environment yet :(
02:51 CEnnis91 the keymap changes the keys to what again
02:51 CEnnis91 start = home and music = menu?
02:51 smbgaiden i did mine the opposite
02:57 smbgaiden http://www.mobiletechreview.com/ubbthrea​ds/showflat.php?Number=38545&page=0
02:57 smbgaiden hmm never heard of that thing
02:57 [mbm] hmm, wonder how to reset the step counter so it stops reading 3 million
02:58 smbgaiden doesn't it reset every day?
02:58 [mbm] dunno
02:58 smbgaiden mine seems to
02:58 smbgaiden but that might be me wiping daily too, but pretty sure at midnight it resets
03:00 CEnnis91 [mbm]: database somewhere likely
03:00 CEnnis91 smbgaiden: can you upload your keymap file
03:00 CEnnis91 i have so many files here, i dont know which is right
03:01 CEnnis91 or at least just give me the lines you added for start and music
03:01 smbgaiden modified two lines
03:01 [mbm] hmm interesting, if I change the date to yesterday the count goes down, change it back to today and the count skyrockets again
03:01 smbgaiden key 220   MENU           WAKE_DROPPED
03:01 [mbm] must be stored by date somewhere
03:01 smbgaiden key 387   HOME             WAKE_DROPPED
03:01 CEnnis91 [mbm]: i guess they have it sync on the server
03:02 CEnnis91 key 220   FITNESS           WAKE_DROPPED
03:02 CEnnis91 key 387   MEDIA             WAKE_DROPPED
03:02 CEnnis91 hmmm thats the original
03:02 CEnnis91 makes sense
03:02 CEnnis91 good to note
03:02 smbgaiden yea, i migth have to write a script to replace it even with reboot
03:02 CEnnis91 no
03:02 CEnnis91 i have a much better method
03:02 smbgaiden just so i am not totally bound to computer
03:03 CEnnis91 it should allow both home/menu and fitness/media
03:03 smbgaiden hopefully i can access your method, headed to china in a week
03:04 [mbm] you can change the keymaps in devtree
03:05 CEnnis91 [mbm]: that still wont get what he wants
03:05 CEnnis91 [mbm]: we can mod the keymaps by changing /system/usr/keylayout/G2-keypad.kl
03:05 [mbm] didn't see what you guys were trying to do
03:05 CEnnis91 by doing this weve been able to make start=home and music=menu
03:06 CEnnis91 but everyone wants to retain the functionality of the original keys
03:06 CEnnis91 ASWELL
03:06 CEnnis91 i know of only one way to satisfy that
03:06 * CEnnis91 wonders if [mbm] will bother to guess
03:07 smbgaiden My plan was write a script for remount rw, rm, mv, remount ro, reboot
03:07 CEnnis91 smbgaiden: lolno
03:07 CEnnis91 thats sooo bad
03:07 smbgaiden not what i wanted ideally, which is to do it more ont he fly or app specific keymaps
03:08 [mbm] CEnnis91: does it involve modifying apk files?
03:08 CEnnis91 [mbm]: no
03:08 CEnnis91 lower then that
03:08 CEnnis91 than*
03:09 [mbm] well, there's devtree -> kernel -> keymap -> apk
03:09 CEnnis91 hehe
03:09 * [mbm] usually just does it at the devtree level
03:09 CEnnis91 higher
03:09 [mbm] *shrug*
03:09 * [mbm] goes back to watching netflix
03:10 CEnnis91 keycodes from init
03:10 CEnnis91 it would have to be power+start/menu of course thou
03:10 smbgaiden mod power to what?
03:10 CEnnis91 start = home
03:10 CEnnis91 media = menu
03:11 CEnnis91 power+start = ACTUAL start
03:11 CEnnis91 power+media = ACTUAL media
03:11 smbgaiden ah nice
03:11 smbgaiden sign me up :)
03:11 CEnnis91 thought you might like it
03:11 [mbm] oh, interesting
03:12 CEnnis91 that's the only way i can see it working
03:12 smbgaiden http://source.android.com/tec​h/input/key-layout-files.html
03:12 CEnnis91 i mean if you really want to get fancy, you can make power + vol up = something
03:12 smbgaiden hmm
03:13 CEnnis91 wow
03:13 CEnnis91 i didnt know that existed
03:13 [mbm] btw - http://wiki.opticaldelusion​.org/wiki/Motoactv/devtree
03:14 smbgaiden quite nice
03:14 CEnnis91 where is devtree located
03:14 CEnnis91 dts-vl?
03:14 CEnnis91 LinearVibrator@0 {?
03:15 CEnnis91 this vibrates?
03:15 [mbm] lol no, they reused an old devtree
03:15 CEnnis91 fuck you moto
03:15 smbgaiden lol
03:16 [mbm] devtree is one of the partitions
03:16 [mbm] http://wiki.opticaldelusion.org/wiki/Motoactv/CDT
03:16 CEnnis91 [mbm]: think i found the pedometer lists
03:16 [mbm] hmm?
03:16 CEnnis91 where the pedo data is stored
03:16 smbgaiden yea, your solution seems like it will have to occur below the key layout file
03:17 CEnnis91 yep
03:17 CEnnis91 found it
03:17 smbgaiden they didn't seem to have built any tags for building a combo press
03:17 CEnnis91 [mbm]: /data/data/com.motorola.gaulta​ctivity/databases/activity.db
03:18 CEnnis91 under daily_totals
03:19 [mbm] ah
03:19 CEnnis91 TimeToPowerDown = 8996
03:19 [mbm] devtree also seems to say this has a loud speaker and magnetometer
03:19 CEnnis91 wtf kinda setting is that
03:19 CEnnis91 ms i guess?
03:21 [mbm] either that or 2 hours, 29 minutes, 56 seconds
03:22 smbgaiden add device 6: /dev/input/event0
03:22 CEnnis91 why the fuck is my droid bootlooping...
03:22 smbgaiden name:     "msp430sensorprocessor"
03:24 CEnnis91 can you drain the battery so much that it bootloops [mbm]
03:25 CEnnis91 well kinda i guess
03:25 CEnnis91 looks like it wasnt getting enough power from my split micro usb
03:26 CEnnis91 god is this thing slow
03:26 [mbm] CEnnis91: well, if you haven't broken normal bootup it should boot into charge mode or normal mode
03:30 CEnnis91 yea
03:30 CEnnis91 wat was everyone complaining about the new IME for?
03:30 CEnnis91 they wanted a normal IME?
03:31 [mbm] normal? best you can do afaik is that slider keyboard they use for wifi pass .. not enough room on the screen for much else
03:32 CEnnis91 yea well im using the slider keyboard just fine in other apps
03:32 CEnnis91 well so far ive only tried it in one
03:33 smbgaiden i want the T9 keyboard from the xperia x10 mini
03:33 CEnnis91 i think the slider is fine
03:33 smbgaiden the slider didn't seem to work in amzn app store
03:34 CEnnis91 oh?
03:34 CEnnis91 i havent tried it
03:34 CEnnis91 im using an sqlite editor right now
03:35 smbgaiden back to taxes
03:36 [mbm] lol, isn't it getting a bit late for taxes?
03:36 CEnnis91 +1
03:37 CEnnis91 USB_MODE_FROM_PC = -1?
03:38 CEnnis91 hmmm theres a setting called double_tap
03:38 CEnnis91 in_pocket_detection
03:38 [mbm] phones have the in pocket detection checkbox in settings
03:39 CEnnis91 where?
03:39 CEnnis91 hmmm this still has mms stuff built in
03:39 [mbm] settings->display
03:39 CEnnis91 like ALOT of sms/mms in
03:39 [mbm] might be a moto only thing
03:39 CEnnis91 yes, moto only
03:39 CEnnis91 what does it do
03:39 CEnnis91 shuts off in pocket?
03:40 [mbm] "locks automatically when inserted in pocket"
03:40 [mbm] my guess is that it uses the proximity sensor to lock the phone when the screen is off
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03:40 CEnnis91 yea, nothing useful there
03:40 CEnnis91 moving on
03:40 [mbm] don't think the motoactv has a proximity sensor ;)
03:41 CEnnis91 AP_ENABLE = 0
03:41 [mbm] seems like that's mobile hotspot
03:41 CEnnis91 yep
03:41 [mbm] which would actually be fun to enable
03:42 [mbm] although it always bitches that there's no network connection when I launch the app
03:42 CEnnis91 whats the intent
03:42 CEnnis91 im gonna enable and see what happens
03:43 CEnnis91 woah wait a sec
03:43 [mbm] well, one way is via: am start -a android.intent.action.MAIN
03:43 CEnnis91 deblur_isenabled
03:43 CEnnis91 they actually call it "deblur"?
03:43 CEnnis91 lol
03:44 CEnnis91 entitlement_check
03:44 CEnnis91 ive yet to figure out what this one is
03:44 [mbm] am start -n com.android.settings/.wifi.WifiApSettings
03:44 [mbm] deblur didn't seem to do a damn thing on the phones
03:44 CEnnis91 bummer
03:45 CEnnis91 alright rebooting this
03:45 [mbm] if entitlement check is enabled it bounces you to the verizon billing page when you try to use the hotspot
03:45 CEnnis91 thats what i thought
03:48 CEnnis91 yea still says no network avail
03:49 CEnnis91 heh they have all the coaching tips in a db
03:49 CEnnis91 could edit those for fun
03:50 CEnnis91 still wonder what double_tap could be
03:50 CEnnis91 = NONE
03:51 CEnnis91 oh
03:51 CEnnis91 [mbm]: here's something you might like
03:52 CEnnis91 http://download.motoactv.sv​cmot.com/golf/US-CA_3.0.xml
03:53 CEnnis91 doesnt show much, but you might be able to poll for more
03:53 smbgaiden owe a lot so waited til now
03:54 CEnnis91 http://download.motoactv.sv​cmot.com/golf/US-CA_3.0.zip hold the .xml.enc
03:56 [mbm] well the xml is boring and I haven't bothered to figure out what decrypts the xml.enc
03:56 CEnnis91 yea
03:57 CEnnis91 i highly doubt this domain just holds /golf/* thou
04:01 CEnnis91 adding custom clock widgets will be a snap
04:06 smbgaiden turbotax on kindle crash
04:06 smbgaiden :( hours wasted
04:06 smbgaiden seems no work for me tomorrow
04:08 smbgaiden lost all entries
04:09 CEnnis91 ouch
04:11 smbgaiden about 400 schedule D items
04:11 smbgaiden :(
04:11 smbgaiden probably some out of memory unhandled exception
04:12 smbgaiden the data is there, just cant be processed from a clean boot. maybe I should kill some services
04:12 CEnnis91 wonder what /data/gki is
04:12 CEnnis91 smbgaiden: just do it on the ccomputer
04:13 CEnnis91 hmmm moto used /data/local.prop
04:13 CEnnis91 ro.sys.atvc_allow_adb=0
04:14 smbgaiden have to now
04:14 smbgaiden wish i could at least see the schedule D data so i dont have to look it all upa gain
04:17 smbgaiden time for some watermelon juice soju
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04:18 CEnnis91 heh well thats unexpected
04:18 dproldan morning
04:18 CEnnis91 pressing "menu" in the stock launcher brings up what looks like the app drawer
04:19 smbgaiden yea, i was curious what that thing was
04:20 smbgaiden omg, the setup hung and cd stopped reading
04:20 smbgaiden im skeptic, but this is beyond what i could have anticipated
04:21 smbgaiden probably when back from china, then vacation, will do some apk surgery provided i don't hit dead ends due to signature requirements for the things I wanna do
04:23 [mbm] hmm? considering the bootloader doesn't seem to give a damn about signatures it's pretty easy to bypass apk signatures and just resign things
04:26 smbgaiden cool, good to hear. This did me in last time I was messing around http://forum.xda-developers.​com/showthread.php?t=945925
04:31 [mbm] editing packages.xml?
04:33 smbgaiden deodexing, changing some code, rebuilding, and then installing
04:33 smbgaiden was able to operate fm radio in airplane mode. was using the xperia as my gps logger and radio+mp3
04:34 smbgaiden wanted to get FM-RDS in the app, but ran into that issue of not being able to install the modified service because it used a permission that required a signature
04:56 [mbm] oh, here's a hint, if you want to avoid a signature conflict with one of the builtin apps just edit /data/system/package.xml and remove the cert
04:57 [mbm] or just resign everything that uses the shared uid
04:58 smbgaiden thanks for that, i think I got boned removing from package.xml due to it needing to be run in bluetooth user, not root or other user
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12:31 JohnDoe_ Anything new going on here?
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13:59 dproldan smbgaiden :  try echo 0 ≤
13:59 dproldan
13:59 dproldan oops
13:59 dproldan try echo 0 > /sys/power/enable_off_mode
14:00 dproldan seems to keep the system running,  I made it into a boot.img
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16:41 smbgaiden dproldan, I got what I needed from mbm's WakeLock suggestion. I have to hold a full wakelock, but I can lt screen dim. Partial wakelock keeps my thread spinning, but the UI threead which gets the message would not get messages.
16:41 smbgaiden full wakelock allows for a dim screen, but I can manually shut off the screen and keep everything running. In this use case only drop 10% of the battery in a bit under an hour.
16:42 dproldan cool
16:43 smbgaiden i didn't test it by moving the bt gps into sports mode, but that's outside my use case
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20:38 CEnnis91 heh so moto removed all lockscreen stuff?
20:39 CEnnis91 when you try to set a lockscreen it just crashed
20:39 CEnnis91 crashes*
20:40 CEnnis91 hmmm
20:41 CEnnis91 8h 49m on battery: BT = 33%  Wi-Fi = 33%  Phone Idle = 33%  Android OS = %2
20:41 CEnnis91 2%*
20:43 [mbm] lots of framework pieces seem to have been removed causing force closes
20:44 [mbm] also if you turn off wifi/bt the battery lasts something close to 2.5 days
20:44 CEnnis91 interesting
20:44 CEnnis91 makes sense
20:46 CEnnis91 bummer that autorotate doesnt work
20:46 CEnnis91 i added in the property to see for kicks
20:46 Snoothy didnt you make auto-rotate work the other day?
20:46 CEnnis91 me? no
20:47 Snoothy except for the 90 degrees it was off?
20:47 CEnnis91 heh doesnt look have bad rotated either
20:47 CEnnis91 just rotated launcher prop
20:47 CEnnis91 -p
20:48 CEnnis91 half*
20:48 CEnnis91 wow that was a horrible sentence
20:48 Snoothy 09:00dproldanautorotation works now?
20:48 Snoothy 09:00yes!
20:48 Snoothy 09:00it's rotated though
20:48 [mbm] Snoothy: the kernel with the accelerometer is on my wiki, it's been reported that rotation there works but off by 90
20:49 Snoothy can actv be changed to a landscape device or is it hardware based that it's portrait ?
20:49 CEnnis91 oh
20:49 CEnnis91 [mbm]: http://dl.opticaldelusion.org/boot-5.6.0-hack.img?
20:50 [mbm] yep
20:50 CEnnis91 what did you do
20:50 CEnnis91 can it be done in cmdline?
20:50 CEnnis91 temporarily
20:50 [mbm] recompiled the kernel ith more code in the msp430 driver
20:52 CEnnis91 that means the shake to wake doesnt work?
20:52 CEnnis91 or does it
20:52 [mbm] doesn't
20:53 Snoothy does the newer kernel give anything other than shake to wake?
20:53 [mbm] as I said before, that functionality either needs to be rewritten/reverse engineered or moto needs to start updating their kernel sources on sourceforge
20:54 [mbm] Snoothy: hard to say, moto doesn't exactly mention kernel changes in their release notes
20:54 CEnnis91 i wouldnt hold my breath on an update
20:55 CEnnis91 [mbm]: was there alot of code?
20:55 CEnnis91 might be able to get tansoftware to jtag it in
20:55 Snoothy http://goo.gl/iB2rl :D
20:56 [mbm] CEnnis91: code was already there just ifdef'd out
20:57 [mbm] basically just runs a timer that reads the acceleration values from the msp430 and reports them as input events
21:02 CEnnis91 [mbm]: #ifdef G1?
21:03 [mbm] yep
21:04 CEnnis91 is it possible to compile only the ifdef g1 bits into a module?
21:05 CEnnis91 like you said before, messy yes
21:05 CEnnis91 but i feel like thats a pretty decent solution at this point
21:08 CEnnis91 KDEBUG(KERN_INFO "age = %02x, sex = %02x, weight = %02x, \ --- why is this shit at the kernel level?
21:09 Snoothy for calculations?
21:09 CEnnis91 thought that would be done at the software level...
21:10 Snoothy since the msp430 has the pedo, i guess it could do the calorie calculations too?
21:10 CEnnis91 i guess
21:11 [mbm] those calculations are done on the msp430 and there's a passing of parameters to it via the kernel
21:11 [mbm] hence those messages
21:12 [mbm] http://wiki.opticaldelusion.​org/wiki/MSP430#Memory_map_.28Motoactv.29 .. the term 'memory map' is used somewhat incorrectly, really those are just i2c locations for data shared between the msp430 and linux
21:17 Snoothy the values are memory addresses for registers?
21:18 [mbm] they can be used with the msp430 commands at the top of the page
21:18 CEnnis91 cant you turn on the leds via command line?
21:18 [mbm] both the msp430 and the kernel do i2c in software, so the addresses passed via i2c are sort of just arbitrary
21:19 [mbm] try /sys/class/led ?
21:19 CEnnis91 echo 1 > /sys/class/leds/red/brightness
21:19 CEnnis91 didnt do anything
21:19 CEnnis91 nor did 255
21:19 [mbm] probably some enable value somewhere
21:20 CEnnis91 heh moto has duplicate lines in init.rc
21:20 CEnnis91 chown system system /sys/class/leds/red/device/grpfreq
21:20 CEnnis91 chown system system /sys/class/leds/red/device/grppwm
21:20 CEnnis91 chown system system /sys/class/leds/red/device/blink
21:20 CEnnis91 chown system system /sys/class/leds/red/brightness
21:21 CEnnis91 thats what is defined in init.rc
21:22 CEnnis91 also, why cant i see /sys/class/leds/red/* in terminal?
21:22 CEnnis91 is that just all permissions
21:22 [mbm] are you root?
21:23 CEnnis91 yes
21:23 CEnnis91 well
21:23 CEnnis91 whoami: unknown uid 0
21:23 [mbm] root doesn't get limited by permissions, so no.
21:26 CEnnis91 then what am i, if "whoami" says that
21:26 [mbm] root.
21:26 CEnnis91 -_-
21:27 [mbm] there's just no /etc/passwd file to provide a lookup of the name for uid 0
21:27 CEnnis91 ugh got it
21:27 CEnnis91 it was toolbox's "ls"
21:27 CEnnis91 used busybox's
21:27 CEnnis91 thats dumb
21:35 CEnnis91 oh interesting
21:35 CEnnis91 [mbm]: have you ever seen the notif led on?
21:37 CEnnis91 looks like its white only
21:37 CEnnis91 but has the rgb values
21:37 CEnnis91 0-255
21:38 [mbm] there was an led test app
21:40 [mbm] oh, don't see it installed on the motoactv, must have been thinking one of the phones
21:41 CEnnis91 yea
21:41 CEnnis91 well this only has one led color from 0-255
21:41 CEnnis91 setting blue automatically sets it
21:41 CEnnis91 even thou its white
21:51 [mbm] heh
21:51 [mbm] guess moto really cut corners
21:53 CEnnis91 realistically how much more would that have cost to put in a simple rgb
21:53 CEnnis91 i guess it wouldnt really matter considering no software would "technically" run on it to configure it
21:53 Snoothy not a whole lot more on the component, but it requires 2 extra wires
21:54 CEnnis91 ah
21:54 CEnnis91 ./proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode
21:54 CEnnis91 ?
21:56 CEnnis91 hmmm so in "low power mode" the screen refreshes less, is that normal [mbm] ?
21:56 CEnnis91 (looking at kmsg)
21:56 CEnnis91 <6>[ 5469.646789] panel: refresh rate set to 20 Hz
21:56 CEnnis91 <6>[ 5469.649383] cyttsp_low_power_mode_store: touch low power mode=1
21:57 [mbm] laptop_mode is a standard kernel thing
21:57 CEnnis91 ah
21:57 [mbm] yeah, saw it changing the lcd refresh
21:57 CEnnis91 is that normal thou?
21:58 [mbm] more or less
21:58 [mbm] needs to be written into the driver's power management but it's a common trick
21:59 [mbm] what I don't get is why they actually turn the display "off"
21:59 [mbm] turn the backlight to 0 and the display is still on, it just looks black and white
22:16 CEnnis91 yea ive noticed that
22:16 CEnnis91 looks a bit strange
22:17 [mbm] yep, but more useful than blanking out the display
22:19 CEnnis91 [mbm]: so aside from accelerometer and missing bt bits, what other errors/bugs have i missed
22:19 CEnnis91 (i havent personally seen the bt stuff)
22:20 ds2 missing bt?
22:21 Snoothy we need somewhere to report the bugs we find xD
22:21 CEnnis91 i was told some bt events dont get fired or what
22:21 ds2 oh
22:22 CEnnis91 Snoothy: just read between the lines of [mbm]'s wiki lol
22:22 CEnnis91 he usually says alot more then what he writes ;)
22:22 Snoothy haven't read it recently
22:22 Snoothy <smbgaiden> Also weird, after some hours android.bleutooth.device.action.FOUND doesn't get fired, but I can still connect by the android.bleutooth.device.action.UUID message
22:23 CEnnis91 probably a sleep issue
22:25 CEnnis91 alright so i guess ill play around with the dpi now
22:25 CEnnis91 ANY dpi change breaks moto apps?
22:25 [mbm] yeah, thought he said that holding a wakelock fixed it
22:25 Snoothy CEnnis91: motoapps only work @ 120dpi
22:26 CEnnis91 oh i think i know whyt
22:26 [mbm] yeah, moto apps start to become picasso abstracts when you change the dpi
22:26 CEnnis91 probably cuz they only contain drawable-ldpi folders
22:26 Snoothy could you snap a screenshot of the motoapps on lower dpi?
22:27 Snoothy hopefully the gfx isnt hardcoded in their app
22:27 [mbm] graphics nolonger line up correctly
22:27 Snoothy but it works?
22:27 [mbm] you end up with several different layers of misaligned stuff .. wallpaper, glow effects, buttons
22:27 [mbm] technically, yes.
22:27 ds2 the actv becomes artistic? :)
22:28 Snoothy so it's a matter of rescaling the gfx i presume
22:28 CEnnis91 [mbm]: so moto apps look as other android apps @ 120dpi
22:28 [mbm] about as artistic as an nes cartridge that needs a good cleaning
22:28 Snoothy ^pretty good metaphor
22:30 CEnnis91 so what is a decent dpi for non moto apps
22:30 CEnnis91 240?
22:30 CEnnis91 160?
22:30 Snoothy 95 ?
22:30 CEnnis91 idk which way is better
22:31 Snoothy less gives more space
22:34 [mbm] dpi is essentially a measure of how many pixels need to be lit up to make an inch
22:36 CEnnis91 wow yea this shit looks horrible
22:36 Snoothy screenshot, i wanna see it :D
22:37 CEnnis91 nah its not overly bad
22:37 CEnnis91 just off center
22:37 CEnnis91 puttingit on 240 for funsies
22:38 CEnnis91 haha
22:38 CEnnis91 i cant even pick a launcher
22:40 [mbm] thought there was some apk hack that could be done for the dpi
22:40 CEnnis91 [mbm]: at least in the launcher sake you would have to realign everything =/
22:41 [mbm] :/
22:41 CEnnis91 unless its hardcoded to work with 120dpi
22:41 CEnnis91 looking now
22:43 Snoothy i think they might have put all the gfx in the assets folder and then just made them the exact size for the screen
22:43 CEnnis91 not witht the launcher
22:43 CEnnis91 unless they arent using Launcher2.apk
22:44 Snoothy im thinking the moto apps
22:44 CEnnis91 oh
22:44 [mbm] bit annoying how they didn't just write their own launcher, they had to go mangle all the standard android stuff
22:44 CEnnis91 well i was referring to the launcher, considering the majority of the motoapps are just menus
22:44 CEnnis91 [mbm]: yep, found bits of the all apps tray
22:45 CEnnis91 thats in res thou
22:45 CEnnis91 seeing if the code exists
22:45 CEnnis91 haha yes
22:45 CEnnis91 at least partial
22:45 CEnnis91 not totally sure what it needs to look like in smali
22:46 CEnnis91 acutally
22:46 CEnnis91 looks like theres more then just launcher stuff packed into moto's launcher2.apk
22:46 Snoothy CEnnis91: have you tried the ADWLauncher?
22:46 CEnnis91 i used launcherpro
22:47 CEnnis91 i know about adw and zeam, ive been around android longer enough =)
22:47 [mbm] CEnnis91: think everything except golf is stuffed into the launcher apk
22:47 Snoothy adwlauncher worked for me in the emulator, not sure how it looks on the device
22:47 CEnnis91 launcherpro is basically the midway between adw and zeam
22:47 CEnnis91 performance / setting / and ram usage wise
22:48 Snoothy so zeam is the light weight one?
22:49 CEnnis91 yes
22:49 CEnnis91 whats the screen size again?
22:49 CEnnis91 220x176
22:49 CEnnis91 ?
22:49 Snoothy yes
22:49 CEnnis91 heh,well thats the png sizes
22:49 Snoothy nice
22:49 CEnnis91 so i can fix the icon placement
22:49 [mbm] hmm, what is it about xda that they can never say how something works, but they can provide two pages worth of "download and run this"
22:50 CEnnis91 [mbm]: come now, thats far more then just xda
22:50 CEnnis91 =P
22:50 [mbm] true
22:51 CEnnis91 i wonder if you can add custom shortcuts to launcher
22:51 CEnnis91 the launcher.db exists
22:52 [mbm] hmm any idea if compatibility mode is on or off?
22:52 CEnnis91 where would the setting lie?
22:53 CEnnis91 isnt it from spare parts
22:53 [mbm] burried in one of the sql files, normally you run the development tools (or was it spare parts?) and you get the setting
22:53 CEnnis91 spare parts
22:53 CEnnis91 ill see if i can find it
22:53 [mbm] changes the way it scales low dpi stuff
22:54 CEnnis91 oh really?
22:54 CEnnis91 one sec
22:54 [mbm] might be able to change the dpi and then toggle compatibility and get it to render correctly
22:54 CEnnis91 stilll requires a reboot
22:54 CEnnis91 btw
22:54 CEnnis91 if it breaks moto's apps
22:55 CEnnis91 okay found out where it should go, enabling now
22:57 CEnnis91 [mbm]: it probably wont break current moto apps right?
22:57 CEnnis91 rebooting with it enabled
22:58 CEnnis91 i dont see any differences with it
22:58 CEnnis91 changing to 95
23:00 CEnnis91 [mbm]: i dont see much difference =(
23:01 CEnnis91 anything you want me to look at specifically
23:01 CEnnis91 menu systems look fine, the only thing i see that needs work so far is launcher and systemui
23:02 CEnnis91 wtf i just placed an icon on that stock launcher
23:02 [mbm] wishful thinking that compatibility mode would fix that
23:02 [mbm] you placed an icon on the moto launcher?
23:02 CEnnis91 yes
23:02 [mbm] wtf.
23:02 [mbm] how?
23:03 CEnnis91 but they dont appear clickable
23:03 CEnnis91 one sec
23:05 CEnnis91 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5849​675/IMG_20120416_190341.jpg
23:05 Snoothy wtf :D
23:05 CEnnis91 if you input a "menu" button it brings you do a blank all apps tray
23:05 CEnnis91 but at 95 dpi
23:05 CEnnis91 i saw one app
23:05 CEnnis91 and you can put it on the launcher...
23:06 CEnnis91 i wonder if i can hack in 2 extra screens
23:06 CEnnis91 to the launcher
23:07 CEnnis91 yep and its correctly listed in the db
23:07 Snoothy is it possible to get the background from the launcher?
23:07 CEnnis91 Snoothy: yea i can upload that in a second
23:07 CEnnis91 lol
23:07 CEnnis91 however
23:07 CEnnis91 [mbm]: this icon exists on ALL screens
23:07 Snoothy so the menu is an overlay on the launcher?
23:08 Snoothy and you're not really changing pages on swipes
23:08 CEnnis91 correct
23:08 Snoothy do you think lower dpi would let you swipe the real launcher pages?
23:08 Snoothy the size of the overlay is likely hardcoded
23:09 CEnnis91 im at 95 now
23:09 Snoothy try 75 and swipe the bottom
23:09 CEnnis91 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/58​49675/home_background.png
23:09 CEnnis91 btw
23:12 CEnnis91 lol i can see all the apps in the stock launcher now
23:13 Snoothy with lower dpi?
23:13 CEnnis91 im not sure if this is because of the lower dpi or not
23:13 CEnnis91 im gonna go back to stock to see
23:14 CEnnis91 also
23:14 CEnnis91 for everyday use
23:14 CEnnis91 75 is not usable
23:14 CEnnis91 well i guess if you dont care about how it looks
23:16 Snoothy did you try to swipe the bottom of the launcher?
23:16 CEnnis91 yea doesnt work
23:16 CEnnis91 didnt think it work
23:16 CEnnis91 would*
23:17 Snoothy solely depends on how they made their layout :P
23:17 CEnnis91 oh
23:17 CEnnis91 you can in fact access the apps in stock dpi
23:18 CEnnis91 they're scrunched together thou but they are there
23:18 Snoothy how do you access them?
23:18 CEnnis91 after you change your keymap
23:18 CEnnis91 hit w.e you made MENU
23:27 CEnnis91 oh i better make sure i have all the courses
23:27 CEnnis91 backed i mean, today is the last day
23:27 Snoothy it's already the 17th here :P
23:28 CEnnis91 where are you?
23:28 [mbm] heh
23:28 Snoothy denmark
23:28 CEnnis91 are you getting the EU model?
23:28 Snoothy nah, i'm getting it from the US :b
23:28 CEnnis91 darn, okay
23:28 Snoothy way cheaper
23:28 CEnnis91 really?
23:29 CEnnis91 well either way the EU model is TECHNICALLY supported for root
23:29 Snoothy it's going to be at least 350$ here
23:29 Snoothy if it's ever getting sold in denmark
23:30 CEnnis91 ummm wtf
23:30 CEnnis91 i probably shouldnt have hit update
23:30 CEnnis91 i think i just lost courses?
23:30 CEnnis91 yep
23:30 CEnnis91 i did
23:30 CEnnis91 ...
23:31 CEnnis91 and now half of the US is available for download again
23:32 [mbm] Blur_Version.5.6.12.Motorola-F100.Retail.en.EU
23:32 [mbm] hmm.
23:32 [mbm] figures the names are easily guessable
23:32 CEnnis91 im actually on 5.6.0
23:32 CEnnis91 is that a new one?
23:33 [mbm] 5.6.10 was when they added golf to the exercise menu
23:34 [mbm] quickly pulled and replaced by 5.6.12
23:34 [mbm] my point was that you just change the last two letters from US to EU
23:34 CEnnis91 yep
23:34 CEnnis91 but the md5s are gonna be diff
23:35 CEnnis91 actually before the 5.6.0 the version used to be diff
23:35 [mbm] probably; too lazy to download and check
23:36 CEnnis91 oh i think i know why 5.6.0 didnt have access to golf
23:36 CEnnis91 looks like they dont have the non-US stuff available
23:36 [mbm] huh?
23:36 CEnnis91 in 5.6.0
23:36 CEnnis91 i cant access Canada/Europe/Other course
23:36 [mbm] 5.6.0 had golf but they didn't add it to the exercise menu for some reason
23:37 CEnnis91 yes, im saying i think i found that reason
23:37 [mbm] when 5.6.0 was new I managed to download courses
23:37 [mbm] they might have changed the server
23:39 CEnnis91 well shit this thing is on fire
23:39 CEnnis91 i should probably let it go for a bit
23:39 [mbm] lol, what'd you do to it?
23:39 CEnnis91 nothing, just downloading the courses
23:39 CEnnis91 im just gonna download them from my laptop instead
23:40 Snoothy do you have the server?
23:40 CEnnis91 yes, i found it in a db last night
23:46 CEnnis91 Snoothy: http://download.motoactv.sv​cmot.com/golf/US-AL_3.0.zip for example
23:47 Snoothy AL is a state?
23:48 CEnnis91 they abbreviate
23:48 CEnnis91 AL = alabama
23:48 [mbm] alabama
23:49 Snoothy are all the packages on the same version?
23:49 Snoothy ie US-FL_3.0.zip ?
23:49 [mbm] probably
23:50 * [mbm] curious why the interest in playing golf
23:50 Snoothy my parents are golfing >_>
23:51 CEnnis91 Snoothy: http://download.motoactv.svc​mot.com/golf/EUR-DNK_2.0.zip
23:51 Snoothy got it already unless they updated it
23:51 CEnnis91 yea just showing you where i got it from
23:52 CEnnis91 when i first gave it to you didnt know the server address
23:52 Snoothy ah
23:52 Snoothy but why EUR and not just EU o_O
23:52 CEnnis91 seems like US = 2 letters, else = 3
23:53 CEnnis91 other = OTH
23:53 CEnnis91 ugh now i gotta relearn sqlite
23:53 Snoothy not just sql?
23:54 CEnnis91 same thing
23:54 Snoothy :P
23:54 CEnnis91 but everything on android is sqlite
23:55 Snoothy i use SQLite database browser to look through the dbs
23:55 Snoothy faster than typing queries
23:56 CEnnis91 oh nvm there we go
23:56 CEnnis91 got all the urls =)
23:56 Snoothy o
23:56 CEnnis91 select state_url from course_state_country;
23:56 CEnnis91 i forgot sql is actually easy
23:57 Snoothy at least sqlite is
23:57 CEnnis91 yea
23:57 CEnnis91 144 different countries/states
23:57 CEnnis91 and within that theres numerous courses
23:57 CEnnis91 i wonder where moto pulled the data from, i highly doubt they collected it themselves
23:58 Snoothy i was wondering the same
23:58 ds2 you mean the map stuff?
23:59 Snoothy the danish courses is shamelessly limited
23:59 Snoothy all the course info

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