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00:00 CEnnis91 win
00:00 CEnnis91 wget -i
00:00 CEnnis91 and i have everything backed up
00:01 Snoothy now how do you prevent the courses from getting deleted when you put them back on the device?
00:01 CEnnis91 well i was playing around with versions
00:02 * [mbm] usually just does an sqlite .dump and gets the whole damn thing as sql commands
00:02 CEnnis91 so thats proabably why they got erased when i tried to redownload
00:02 CEnnis91 Snoothy: but when i downloaded them originally in 5.6.12 they were fine
00:03 Snoothy ah
00:04 Snoothy [mbm]: does .dump's show table creating at the start of the file?
00:04 CEnnis91 [mbm]: how would dump have worked for me here?
00:04 * CEnnis91 doesnt see how it wouldve
00:08 Snoothy is svcmot.com used for other moto devices as well?
00:10 CEnnis91 not sure
00:10 [mbm] Snoothy: yes.
00:10 CEnnis91 (was kinda hoping [mbm] would poll around and find something interesting for me)
00:10 [mbm] CEnnis91: sqlite3 file.db .dump
00:11 CEnnis91 [mbm]: yea i know what it does, just dont see how it helped =P
00:13 [mbm] just a quick way of getting something human readable
00:14 CEnnis91 sqlite3 courses.db "select state_url from course_state_country" | sed 's/.xml/.zip/g' > urls.txt
00:14 CEnnis91 thats readable too
00:14 CEnnis91 =P
00:14 CEnnis91 but yes i get what you mean
00:14 Snoothy if you know the column names :P
00:14 CEnnis91 yea true
00:14 [mbm] Snoothy: maybe he got those via .dump :P
00:14 Snoothy :D
00:15 CEnnis91 hehe shhhh
00:15 [mbm] anyway what was I supposed to poke at?
00:17 CEnnis91 [mbm]: if there was anything else fun or interesting laying around in http://download.motoactv.svcmot.com/
00:17 Snoothy one can only dream that /kernel/ has something lying around >_>
00:18 CEnnis91 i doubt they would leave it laying there
00:18 Snoothy ditto
00:19 CEnnis91 doesnt seem to be a point to have it hosted
00:19 Snoothy it's most likely only data the actv needs to download OTA
00:19 Snoothy like the courses
00:19 CEnnis91 yep
00:19 [mbm] CEnnis91: think that's the same toplevel domain they use for the blur cloud
00:21 [mbm] https://portal-moto.svcmot.com/moto-web-portal/
00:21 CEnnis91 ah
00:21 CEnnis91 theyve got motocast on it too
00:22 Snoothy does the portal have an easier domain or will people have to remember that o_O
00:22 CEnnis91 search "mymotoblur"
00:22 [mbm] mymotocast
00:23 Snoothy i got a Xoom and i didn't know that this existed xD
00:23 [mbm] only newer devices are supported on motocast
00:24 Snoothy ah, it might be the xoom 2 pictured then
00:24 [mbm] I just tried to sign into the portal and it said that I didn't own a supported phone
00:25 CEnnis91 [mbm]: bionic doesnt?
00:25 [mbm] nope, razr is though
00:26 Snoothy isn't Droid xyboard and xoom 2 the same thing?
00:27 CEnnis91 believe so
00:36 CEnnis91 hmmm interesting
00:36 CEnnis91 pedo isnt working
00:36 CEnnis91 i wonder if it has to do with the settings i put in
00:37 CEnnis91 i somehow burnned 1606 calories thou
00:40 ds2 maybe that is a measurement of the tapeworm?
00:40 ds2 ;)
00:41 [mbm] maybe there are no pedos nearby?
00:44 CEnnis91 just horribly calibrated
00:44 CEnnis91 [mbm]: did you see anything about the sensitivity of the shake to wake feature
00:45 CEnnis91 or is that entire thing in the kernel itself
00:47 CEnnis91 also, is this watch band decent or not really, that was never sent to me http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-89530N​-MOTOACTV-Sports-Wrist/dp/B005Q3142E
00:48 [mbm] from what I can see, everything is hidden in the msp430 and the kernel just gets an interrupt after some sort of motion event has occured
00:49 [mbm] watch bands are sold as an accessory unless you buy online and get the bundled deal
00:49 Snoothy CEnnis91: you don't really have any other options if you want it on your wrist
00:49 [mbm] saw them in bestbuy next to the device, thought they looked like shit
00:49 CEnnis91 yea i tried going to my bestbuy, they didnt have any
00:49 CEnnis91 [mbm]: so what are you using? pocket?
00:50 Snoothy clip perhaps?
00:50 CEnnis91 clip wouldnt be bad
00:50 [mbm] if I take it anyhere I just clip it on something
00:50 CEnnis91 how?
00:50 [mbm] clip should have come with it
00:50 CEnnis91 no, it didnt
00:50 Snoothy yea
00:50 CEnnis91 remember i didnt buy it
00:50 CEnnis91 =P
00:51 CEnnis91 http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-89​529N-MOTOACTV-Clip/dp/B005Q3144C
00:51 Snoothy http://youtu.be/M-Duc7onEG8?t=1m2s
00:51 CEnnis91 (contains side view) http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont​roller/home?O=productlist&sku=84​3842&is=REG&A=details&Q=
00:52 [mbm] http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/US-EN/Consu​mer-Product-and-Services/Mobile+Phone+Accesso​ries/MOTOACTV-Accessories/MOTOACTV-Clip-US-EN
00:52 [mbm] $20
00:54 CEnnis91 yea ill just get the clip then
00:54 CEnnis91 can you remove it from the clip easily?
00:54 CEnnis91 or you take both off entirely?
00:54 [mbm] bit tight but not bad
00:55 [mbm] clip needs a bit of pying to remove it from the motoactv
00:55 [mbm] it's small though so I just leave the clip on it
00:56 CEnnis91 alright
00:56 CEnnis91 might actually use this at the gym perhaps
00:57 CEnnis91 not sure
00:57 CEnnis91 gonna load on a few apps to see what can work
00:58 CEnnis91 i wonder how bad jefit is gonna be
00:58 [mbm] motoactv also comes with a pair of really ugly red and black headphones
00:58 CEnnis91 yea i have my own
00:58 [mbm] which I'm guessing you didn't get either?
00:58 CEnnis91 i literally got the device itself
00:59 [mbm] heh
00:59 CEnnis91 like i mentioned before, me and utkanos are not positive on the integrity here
00:59 CEnnis91 but im not asking questions
01:00 CEnnis91 the device came from oregon, so i doubt they'll be looking in nj =)
01:00 [mbm] probably found it on a bike somewhere
01:01 [mbm] awesome, they make an even uglier more expensive set of headphones for it - http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/US-EN/Consume​r-Product-and-Services/Mobile+Phone+Accessories​/Headsets/Bluetooth-Stereo-Music-Headphones/MOT​OROLA-SF600-WIRELESS-SPORTS-HEADPHONES-US-EN
01:01 [mbm] bet everyone who sees those thinks they're hearing aids
01:01 CEnnis91 [mbm]: nah, it was returned to verizon
01:01 CEnnis91 or some place
01:02 CEnnis91 or factory
01:02 CEnnis91 had the msn and scan on the back
01:02 CEnnis91 bar code*
01:02 [mbm] comes that way
01:02 CEnnis91 with a crack on the screen
01:03 [mbm] and if you put it in a clip then you enver really see the msn tags
01:03 CEnnis91 yea well the tag started to peel
01:03 CEnnis91 so i removed and saved it
01:03 [mbm] heh
01:04 [mbm] yeah I tossed out that on mine to see what was written on the device itself
01:04 CEnnis91 (if you havent guessed, im gonna try to keep this device after its all said and done)
01:04 [mbm] only to find it fit better in the clip with those there to provide some padding
01:04 CEnnis91 wow jefit pro actually ISNT bad
01:06 CEnnis91 oh may have spoke too soon
01:06 CEnnis91 looks like you cant use the keyboard on it
01:07 CEnnis91 wtf
01:07 CEnnis91 it works on some text boxes
01:07 CEnnis91 but not the ones i need it to
01:08 CEnnis91 also ew, i just looked at those headphones
01:10 Snoothy you can some bt headsets which are way sexier.. they have the battery pack hanging around your neck instead and only the plugs go into your ears
01:11 CEnnis91 http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_44245_Sony-MDR​-J10-Blue-In-Ear-Headphones.html?utm_source=froogl​e&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=froogle
01:11 CEnnis91 those are what i use
01:12 Snoothy a friend of mine just bought http://beatsbydre.com/products/P​roducts.aspx?pid=B5097&cat=2
01:12 Snoothy but i dont get all these branding products
01:13 CEnnis91 yea im not big with all of that, what i have is fine
01:17 CEnnis91 does this still have the keyboard selection screen
01:17 [mbm] Snoothy: yeah, people seem to think that if they put a big white apple on the back that it's worth 3x as much
01:18 CEnnis91 [mbm]: BUT IT GLOWS
01:18 CEnnis91 ppl will jizz all over to get an iphone with a glowing apple logo
01:19 [mbm] umm
01:19 [mbm] isn't the glowing on the macbooks just the screen backlight?
01:19 CEnnis91 yep
01:20 [mbm] ok, I can make your iphone glow; just need to remove a few opaque bits between the screen and the back
01:20 CEnnis91 then be prepared for a bunch of nerds to jizz all over you
01:21 CEnnis91 [mbm]: have you seen the screen start to update with a "scanline" kinda pattern?
01:21 [mbm] lol, they'd be handing over their cpus and paying me money for it
01:21 CEnnis91 im wondering if thats because of the crack or not
01:22 [mbm] hmm?
01:22 CEnnis91 like the screen will "shake" i times
01:22 CEnnis91 and it looks like a bunch of scan lines across the screen
01:22 [mbm] think it's an interlaced screen
01:23 [mbm] depending on the lighting it might be more obvious
01:23 CEnnis91 okay so then its probably not this crack
01:23 CEnnis91 ugh they dont let you change the keyboard
01:23 [mbm] fluorescent lights?
01:24 CEnnis91 no
01:24 CEnnis91 but full brightness
01:24 [mbm] thought some of the keyboard select screens were still there
01:24 CEnnis91 well you can enable it
01:24 CEnnis91 but the popup to switch doesnt appear to be
01:24 CEnnis91 maybe im wrong
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01:37 CEnnis91 yea cant access, ill have to manually do it =/
01:41 [mbm] am start -n com.android.settings/.LanguageSettings
01:42 ds2 [mbm]: is there a way to get a list of the com.* things on a system?
01:42 CEnnis91 lol wow
01:42 CEnnis91 [mbm]: i was in there...
01:42 CEnnis91 wtf
01:46 [mbm] ds2: dumpsys package
01:47 [mbm] bit of parsing required though
01:48 CEnnis91 launcher pro is a good ui alternative
01:48 ds2 nifty
01:49 ds2 the raw data from dumpsys is good enough
01:50 [mbm] you get the same crap plus a lot more via dumpstate
01:50 ds2 'k
01:51 CEnnis91 hmm why is my wifi not connected properly
01:51 CEnnis91 it seems to disconnect on its own?
01:51 [mbm] yeah, wifi doesn't stay connected
01:54 CEnnis91 im trying to type over adb forwarding, doesnt seem to work either
01:55 CEnnis91 works just find on my gnexus
01:55 CEnnis91 fine
01:57 [mbm] hmm?
01:57 CEnnis91 theres an app that can type on the phone over adb forwarding
01:58 CEnnis91 requires you to be connected via usb obviously
01:58 CEnnis91 doesnt seem to work on the motoactv
01:58 [mbm] heh, doesn't surprise me
01:59 CEnnis91 also how is everyone listening to pandora on this if wifi dies?
01:59 CEnnis91 or will it turn on for it
01:59 CEnnis91 because getting pandora on this would actually make it cool
01:59 CEnnis91 imi
01:59 CEnnis91 imo*
02:01 ds2 maybe a wake lock is needed?
02:02 CEnnis91 maybe
02:02 CEnnis91 apparently everyone has been using this wifi manager
02:02 CEnnis91 downlading that now
02:07 [mbm] well, there are two wifi settings menus .. the real ones and the moto ones
02:08 CEnnis91 yea looks like wifi manager enables it for real
02:08 CEnnis91 i have pandora running
02:10 CEnnis91 screen off and its still running
02:12 CEnnis91 heh
02:12 CEnnis91 this properly ducks the audio
02:12 CEnnis91 good job moto
02:14 CEnnis91 AND wifi keyboard works now
02:15 CEnnis91 so you can still properly enable wifi on this
02:15 CEnnis91 and ultimately kill your battery in a few hours
02:17 CEnnis91 its funny
02:17 CEnnis91 im trying to use this device as if i owned it so i can know what to put in a custom rom
02:17 CEnnis91 and ive YET to desire the need for market
02:17 [mbm] rom needs real power management or it'll kill the battery in a few hours
02:18 CEnnis91 honestly, all i need is a few hours outta it
02:18 [mbm] yeah, really don't know what you'd download from the market that would even work on the motoactv
02:18 CEnnis91 so enabling wifi for pandora would be fine with me
02:18 CEnnis91 well i have quite a few things on here right now
02:18 CEnnis91 nothing i cant adb install thou
02:19 CEnnis91 alogcat (useless, but i install it everywhere by default)
02:19 CEnnis91 jefit (works decent)
02:19 CEnnis91 pandora, root explorer (another default, but useful) wifi manager, wifi keyboard
02:19 CEnnis91 and sqlite manager
02:19 CEnnis91 s/manager/editor/
02:20 CEnnis91 oh, mightve just run outta space
02:20 CEnnis91 this install is taking a while
02:20 CEnnis91 nope
02:20 CEnnis91 nvm
02:21 CEnnis91 this thing is on fire again
02:21 CEnnis91 i hope the heat doesnt pass through the clip and/or melt it lolz
02:26 CEnnis91 lol forgot that this thing is technically landscape
02:26 CEnnis91 that basically screws all keyboard apps
02:27 [mbm] heh
02:27 CEnnis91 seriosly the built in isnt bad
02:28 CEnnis91 its not quick
02:28 [mbm] yep
02:28 CEnnis91 but it works
02:28 CEnnis91 if you want quick, wifi keyboard works
02:28 CEnnis91 like i thought
02:28 [mbm] it's cool that they actually added a builtin one .. some of the old roms you had to do all the programming via a pc
02:28 CEnnis91 yea
02:28 CEnnis91 pre 5.6.0 or 4.55.97
02:29 CEnnis91 i cant remember
03:02 CEnnis91 [mbm]: its better!...right? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/58496​75/2012-04-16%2023.01.37.jpg
03:04 [mbm] lmao
03:05 [mbm] you'd need a finger the size of a toothpick to use those
03:05 CEnnis91 actually, i can type on it
03:05 CEnnis91 its physically possible
03:06 CEnnis91 i typed "the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs" with only 2 errors
03:06 CEnnis91 both with o<->p
03:07 CEnnis91 my face was fairly close thou
03:08 CEnnis91 face further away, i made quite a few errros
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03:09 CEnnis91 but yea, thats the most customizable keyboard i know of (smart keyboard pro) and thats the pinnacle of what you're going to get if you dont use stock
03:12 ds2 has anyone gotten graffti working on it?
03:12 CEnnis91 lol talk about inefficient
03:12 CEnnis91 ill try it now
03:13 ds2 CEnnis91: what are you doing that needs typing?
03:13 CEnnis91 heh, graffiti is not compatible with one of my galaxy nexus's...
03:13 ds2 with "one of"?
03:13 CEnnis91 ds2: jefit wont bring up the keyboard
03:13 ds2 how many do you have?
03:13 CEnnis91 ds2: i had one and returned it, but its still registerd in the market
03:14 ds2 oh so you don't have any more galaxy nexus's?
03:15 CEnnis91 no
03:15 CEnnis91 wtf
03:15 CEnnis91 so i cant download it
03:15 CEnnis91 ds2: grab me the free apk?
03:15 ds2 let me search...just 'graffiti'?
03:15 CEnnis91 yep
03:16 CEnnis91 actually
03:16 CEnnis91 i can get it on my droid
03:18 ds2 free one is not coming up
03:19 CEnnis91 yea i got it
03:19 CEnnis91 not sure what is going on with that
03:19 ds2 oh?
03:19 ds2 maybe my device is filtered out
03:19 CEnnis91 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5849675/c​om.access_company.graffiti-1.apk
03:19 CEnnis91 probably
03:22 CEnnis91 heh graffiti works
03:22 CEnnis91 its kinda lolz thou
03:22 ds2 graffiti was made for low res screens
03:22 CEnnis91 i guess it works better then other keyboards
03:22 CEnnis91 yea but i think this is too low
03:22 CEnnis91 one sec taking a pic
03:22 ds2 no
03:23 ds2 graffiti started with 160x160 screens
03:23 ds2 you have created a newer version of those fossil palm watches ;)
03:23 CEnnis91 "you have created"?
03:23 ds2 ?
03:23 CEnnis91 i dont understand what you mean by that
03:24 ds2 fossil used to make a palmos watch
03:24 smbgaiden regarding "turn the backlight to 0 and the display is still on, it just looks black and white". I noticed the FM Radio does that
03:24 ds2 it even has a fold up stylus in the watch band
03:24 ds2 that was based on a 68K processor...
03:24 CEnnis91 ds2: oh wow
03:24 CEnnis91 didnt knwo
03:24 ds2 you have created the equivalent of that with an ARM
03:24 CEnnis91 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5849​675/IMG_20120416_232303.jpg
03:25 ds2 have one of those around here when they were clearancing them for less then $30 each
03:25 ds2 oh... they did it that way
03:25 CEnnis91 yea
03:25 ds2 there is a flavor which uses the entire screen
03:27 ds2 i should try running oruxmaps on the actv
03:29 CEnnis91 ds2: you'll have to find the full screen version, not finding it
03:30 ds2 CEnnis91: didn't think there is more then one version?
03:30 CEnnis91 neither did i
03:31 CEnnis91 theres lots of comments saying they want a fullscreen version
03:31 ds2 ahhh okay
03:31 ds2 I'll settle for any non Google based mapping program
03:31 [mbm] CEnnis91: fyi, if you fire up ddms from the sdk you can take screenshots
03:31 CEnnis91 ddms is lolz but okay
03:32 [mbm] yeah but adb itself doesn't take screenshots :/
03:32 CEnnis91 i know =(
03:33 ds2 power + volume doesn't do it?
03:33 ds2 or is that ics only?
03:33 Quietlyawesome94 ICS
03:33 ds2 oh
03:34 CEnnis91 might be able to hack that in thou
03:35 CEnnis91 i was looking at cm7's screenshot briefly
03:36 Quietlyawesome94 oh yeah you can do it in the power menu on cm7
03:36 CEnnis91 yes, it ultimately calls a binary
03:36 CEnnis91 which i can probably bind to power + vol down
03:38 CEnnis91 may not work thou
03:38 CEnnis91 depends on how the fb is
03:41 ds2 assuming it is in there and not in sgx space
03:43 [mbm] just a 32bit rgbx framebuffer .. they didn't add hardware acceleration until ics
03:44 ds2 HC and GB have hardware accelerated ports
03:48 CEnnis91 [mbm]: after you extract the fb data
03:48 CEnnis91 do you really have to do anything to it to make it an image
03:48 CEnnis91 minus add the header?
03:48 CEnnis91 like cant a "screenshot" be scripted?
03:49 ds2 if it is really in the fb, you can dd it out
03:49 smbgaiden what's the fb path?
03:49 CEnnis91 yea but how do you format it into an image
03:49 CEnnis91 just add the header?
03:49 smbgaiden I'm pretty good at WINBMPHEADER
03:49 ds2 it is just a raw bit map
03:49 ds2 you will need to write it into a suitable format
03:50 ds2 for me a .ppm file is easiest (it can be ascii)
03:50 smbgaiden is it /proc/fb
03:50 CEnnis91 no
03:50 CEnnis91 ./dev/graphics/fb0
03:51 CEnnis91 i believe
03:51 ds2 it can be anywhere you like
03:51 smbgaiden think they used 16-bit??
03:51 ds2 call mknod() to create it
03:51 CEnnis91 he meant where is the fb stored
03:51 ds2 'where'?
03:51 CEnnis91 how would you access it
03:52 ds2 read() generally works
03:52 CEnnis91 heh read from....
03:52 CEnnis91 ./dev/graphics/fb0
03:52 ds2 layout depends on mode.... donno if it is packed RGB for 16bpp or 32bpp
03:53 smbgaiden probably easy to see if i grab a chunk of data, lots of repetition in their screens
03:53 [mbm] usually 32bit rgbx
03:53 ds2 but sgx has issues with that
03:53 [mbm] like I said though, easier to just use ddms than to manually convert
03:55 smbgaiden # read -u /dev/graphics/fb0
03:55 smbgaiden probly right, -u is unknown option and linux is too unknown to me
03:57 CEnnis91 lol i think he was talking about C not shell
03:58 smbgaiden huhuhu
03:58 smbgaiden I am fluent in C, but wouldn't know where to start with arranging the proper headers to include and the dll architecture in linux
03:59 ds2 write out a pbm
03:59 ds2 a ppm I mean
04:02 smbgaiden hmm, im gonna try to install my xperia x10 mini keyboard on this
04:03 smbgaiden see if their QVGA can anticipate 50% less space
04:04 CEnnis91 lol wow well thats esay
04:04 CEnnis91 i have a bmp
04:04 CEnnis91 from cm7's screenshot
04:04 ds2 cheater :P
04:04 CEnnis91 hehe
04:04 smbgaiden huhuuh
04:04 CEnnis91 i just know how to use my resources =)
04:04 smbgaiden hmm, mini battery not charged :(, need to wait
04:05 ds2 HP mini?
04:05 smbgaiden forget if i put it to stock or left it rooted
04:05 smbgaiden Sony Ericsson xperia mini x10
04:06 ds2 oh
04:06 smbgaiden smallest android resolution device owned before the actv
04:06 smbgaiden still 50% more pixels
04:06 ds2 heh
04:07 CEnnis91 [mbm]: any way via shell to transfer a bmp to a png?
04:07 CEnnis91 thats not retardedly long
04:07 ds2 if you got imagemagik
04:08 ds2 convert foo.bmp bar.png
04:08 CEnnis91 hmmm
04:08 CEnnis91 i wonder if it'll run
04:09 smbgaiden wow, i should get this thing off my computer and onto a 1A source, still blinking red
04:12 ds2 the newer firmware appear to charge off of a stock usb port
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04:22 smbgaiden charging my xperia, so i can lift the keyboard from it
04:28 CEnnis91 ds2: building imagemagik now lol
04:31 CEnnis91 hmm been playing pandora, and its not hot anymore
04:31 CEnnis91 i guess it gave up and gave in =)
04:40 ds2 CEnnis91: for ARM?
04:40 CEnnis91 nope lol
04:40 CEnnis91 so it faild
04:41 CEnnis91 looked like someone ported it but not enough
04:43 CEnnis91 oh btw
04:43 CEnnis91 does fm radio work for you
04:44 CEnnis91 i just get static
04:44 [mbm] works fine, plug in headphones and use the wiring as an antenna
04:45 CEnnis91 yea didnt really work for me
04:45 CEnnis91 hmmm i wonder if i can get cmscreenshot in general on this
04:45 CEnnis91 i always assumed it was tied to cm's framework, doesnt appear to be
04:47 CEnnis91 installed fine
04:55 smbgaiden FM worked great for me
04:55 smbgaiden it even did the backlight off B&W effect
04:55 smbgaiden wow this x10 mini can't come up from 0 off a usb port, needed a 1A wall charger
05:00 [mbm] it's the type of display the used, reflected light is grayscale
05:00 [mbm] so as soon as you turn off the backlight everything looks grayscale
05:01 [mbm] but the same effect also happens in bright light when the backlight is on
05:01 smbgaiden Transflective?
05:02 smbgaiden I used to own a transflective pencentra
05:02 [mbm] something like that
05:02 [mbm] haven't been able to track down any actual specs
05:02 CEnnis91 heh i think it works
05:02 smbgaiden part #?
05:02 [mbm] haven't got a part number either :/
05:03 ds2 is FM routed as an analog signal or a digital signal via alsa?
05:03 [mbm] there were some numbers printed on the back of the display but they're too generic to search for
05:04 CEnnis91 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5849675/screenshot.png
05:04 CEnnis91 there you go, working screenshots in the motoactv
05:04 CEnnis91 fuck you ddms
05:04 CEnnis91 =)
05:04 ds2 do people really use screenshots that much?
05:05 CEnnis91 nope
05:05 ds2 'k
05:05 ds2 seemed overkill that they added that to stock ICS
05:05 smbgaiden we do
05:05 CEnnis91 eh, i use it on my galaxy nexus decently enough
05:05 smbgaiden i in the cell phone industry
05:05 CEnnis91 on this thing no
05:05 ds2 CEnnis91: what do you use that for?
05:05 smbgaiden nice SS
05:06 [mbm] ds2: bragging rights on the forums?
05:06 smbgaiden as for user feature, questionable
05:06 ds2 oh bah
05:06 CEnnis91 battery stats, ui glitches
05:06 CEnnis91 TO SHOW OFF MY HOME SCREENS BR0!
05:06 [mbm] "look how ugly I've made my homescreen; karma please"
05:06 smbgaiden huhuhu
05:06 CEnnis91 [mbm]: beat you to it
05:10 CEnnis91 [mbm]: so i took a screenshot of the scanline thing
05:10 CEnnis91 and it didnt show up in the screenshot, as i thought
05:10 CEnnis91 is that still the interlacing?
05:11 CEnnis91 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5849675/screenshot-1.png
05:11 CEnnis91 check out my sweet homescreen
05:12 [mbm] you're doing it wrong, you're supposed to make it ugly and leet
05:12 smbgaiden huhuhu
05:13 CEnnis91 alright lets see now what else are ppl gonna want
05:13 CEnnis91 theming! -- fuck you
05:13 [mbm] man, kerning on the fonts sucks at low resolutions .. Se tti ngs
05:14 CEnnis91 make the dpi lower
05:14 CEnnis91 the fonts get EVEN BETTER
05:14 CEnnis91 then youll have Setngs
05:14 [mbm] heh
05:14 [mbm] yeah, saw that trying to play enigma
05:32 CEnnis91 [mbm]: https://play.google.com/store/apps/d​etails?id=nl.fameit.rotate&amp;hl=en
05:32 CEnnis91 apparenrlt this works
05:34 [mbm] hmm
05:36 CEnnis91 checking now
05:36 CEnnis91 not sure how it does this on 1.6
05:36 CEnnis91 without root even
05:37 [mbm] hmm are there people other than the ones here playing with the motoactv rotation?
05:37 CEnnis91 i wouldnt doubt it
05:38 [mbm] just haven't seen much signs of life out of the forums
05:38 CEnnis91 ill ask in the forums, im posting there anyway
05:41 CEnnis91 [mbm]: well it works
05:43 CEnnis91 portrait t9 keyboard is plausible it looks like
05:46 CEnnis91 in fact i may keep this thing in portrait lol
05:46 CEnnis91 some things seem to scale better
05:47 CEnnis91 lolz
05:47 CEnnis91 moto's laucher crashes in portrait
05:49 [mbm] put ics on it with those software touchkeys on the bottom 8th of the screen
05:49 smbgaiden lol
05:50 CEnnis91 this thing needs vsync
05:51 CEnnis91 so much tearing on scrolling
05:51 [mbm] hmm, actually I think there's a setting for that
05:51 CEnnis91 post kernel?
05:51 CEnnis91 kernel compilation
05:52 [mbm] /sys/devices/platform/omapdss/display0/tear_elim
05:53 CEnnis91 reboot?
05:54 [mbm] don't think you need to
05:54 [mbm] echo 1 > ...
05:54 CEnnis91 still some tearing
05:54 CEnnis91 seems a little better i guess
05:54 smbgaiden C:\code\android\sdk\platform-tools>adb install com.cootek.touchpal.zip 1598 KB/s (1330229 bytes in 0.812s)         pkg: /data/local/tmp/com.cootek.touchpal.zip Failure [INSTALL_PARSE_FAILED_NO_CERTIFICATES]
05:54 smbgaiden ***
05:55 CEnnis91 why did you install the .zip
05:55 smbgaiden was the only thing that appeared to be an IME on my xperia
05:55 CEnnis91 look in /data/app-private
05:56 CEnnis91 or
05:56 CEnnis91 in /mnt/asec
05:56 CEnnis91 (android_secure)
05:58 smbgaiden # ls /mnt/asec ls /mnt/asec /mnt/asec: No such file or directory
05:58 smbgaiden # ls /data/app-private ls /data/app-private c2ma.android.edge.apk com.digitalchocolate.androidrollercoaster.apk com.cootek.touchpal.apk com.apkinstall.apk
05:58 smbgaiden good call
05:58 smbgaiden i didnt have busybawx installed, so no find cmd
05:59 [mbm] pm list packages -f
05:59 [mbm] ^ that'll list every installed app and where the apk is
06:00 smbgaiden gracias
06:03 smbgaiden does cat require a > after the source file?
06:04 CEnnis91 cat /system/build.prop > /mnt/sdcard/build.prop
06:04 CEnnis91 would be a format
06:04 smbgaiden tx
06:05 smbgaiden C:\code\android\sdk\platform-tools>adb install com.cootek.touchpal.apk 1513 KB/s (8693648 bytes in 5.609s)         pkg: /data/local/tmp/com.cootek.touchpal.apk Success
06:05 smbgaiden here goes nothing
06:06 [mbm] why would you use cat as a cp command?
06:06 smbgaiden no cp here
06:07 [mbm] weird.
06:08 smbgaiden cootek did not anticipate nor design for qcif+
06:09 smbgaiden if they made the left column half the width itd be perfect
06:13 [mbm] CEnnis91: seen these things? http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597507018​/pebble-e-paper-watch-for-iphone-and-android
06:16 smbgaiden B&W?
06:16 smbgaiden Wouldn't they be better off with a mirasol?
06:17 [mbm] eink gives you better battery life
06:17 [mbm] refresh the screen and then literally power off the device until the next time you need to refresh the screen
06:18 smbgaiden mirasol seems same but color
06:19 [mbm] mirasol is low power, but I don't think mirasol actually works when the device is powered off
06:20 smbgaiden http://www.tomshardware.com/news/miraso​l-mems-e-ink-display-screens,14867.html
06:20 smbgaiden seems to
06:20 smbgaiden set the reflective wavelength, sleep
06:22 [mbm] interesting
06:23 [mbm] the other thing is that every time I've seen mirasol displays they put them under extremely bright halogen bulbs, my understanding is that the colors look really washed out otherwise
06:25 smbgaiden hope to see low power draw color
06:42 dproldan there's already color e-ink too
06:45 ds2 what processor is in those eink watches?
06:57 [mbm] says arm processor, didn't see any real specs though
07:28 dproldan [mbm]: motorola PCS usb mode is like a serial port?  what command does it accept?
07:40 [mbm] there's a 'motorola android gadget' that supports several dozen modes, usb ethernet, adb, usb mass storage, usb serial .. and then the various permutations of that
07:41 dproldan is that like a mode you set as a property?  like ro.default_usb_mode=2
07:42 [mbm] there's a usbd which normally has a notification that pops up a usb mode dialog box
07:42 [mbm] and connects to /dev/usb_device_mode
07:43 dproldan ok
07:43 [mbm] generally the usb serial modes connect to an the modem through an AT command library
07:43 [mbm] not that it really applies in this case
07:44 dproldan I made it connect a usbserial, connected to it,  but not at commands would work,  not surprisingly
07:44 dproldan so,  is there a list of usb_modes somewhere?
07:45 [mbm] msc, msc_only, cdrom, msc_adb, eth, mtp, acm, eth_adb, acm_eth_mtp, mtp_adb, acm_eth_mtp_adb, acm_eth_adb, msc_eth, msc_adb_eth, charge_only, charge_adb, rndis, rndis_adb, ets, ets_adb, cdrom2
07:46 dproldan cool
07:47 dproldan I think we are using mode 2 right now?
07:48 dproldan why not mode 4?
07:49 [mbm] never bothered to map out where the usb modes were stored in android
07:50 [mbm] btw, adb shell dumpsys usb
08:06 dproldan CEnnis91: try flit keyboard,  set its first keyboard as small keyboard,  second as numbers…  works beautifully
08:06 dproldan much faster than the stock keyboard
08:06 dproldan more space in the screen too
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08:18 JohnDoe_ Anyone achieve getting their contacts either Google or not working on this?  I cannot seem to add/view anything, I copied both com.android.providers.contacts and com.android.contacts to 'data/data' with a db of around 1MB, but still not working.  Maybe I have to do something else, any thoughts?
08:19 [mbm] heh weird, now I have the old usb connect screen showing the android with the usb stick for an arm
08:20 JohnDoe_ mbm: you can chose?  I thought that it was adbd persistent
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10:44 JohnDoe_ I am going to throw out the Contacts problem again, sorry if I am beating a dead horse... but anyone have any contacts on their watch?  If so how does one proceed?
10:45 dproldan I don't
10:45 dproldan what have you tried to make it work?
10:45 JohnDoe_ Cool
10:45 dproldan <--  trying at this very moment
10:46 dproldan this seems to be the problem  :  ActivityThread: Failed to find provider info for com.android.contacts
10:46 JohnDoe_ I have copied both com.android.providers.contacts and com.android.contacts from my tablet 'data/data' to the watch with GO Contacts, I cannot see or edit or add, just like it doesnt see it.
10:48 JohnDoe_ I thought that I copied a current 'provider' file to the watch and even set the GUID to app_0 or UID 10000 chmod 666 too, nothing
10:49 dproldan let's keep checking
10:49 JohnDoe_ Cool with that...
10:51 dproldan I'm pushing apks from the stock Moto Milestone system
11:09 JohnDoe_ I am pushing APKs through DroidExplorer (Godsave) or DropBox
11:10 dproldan from which device?  another moto phone?
11:17 JohnDoe_ To my F100 (motoactv)
11:20 dproldan from your tablet?
11:25 JohnDoe_ From my computer to my watch (DroidExplorer) or directly from my watch (DropBox) :)
11:26 dproldan heh,  where are you getting the apks from?  I'm using some apks from the milestone,  and you?
11:27 JohnDoe_ I get the APKs from whatever source is available... I mean all over the net.
11:27 dproldan ok
11:27 dproldan MotoACTV stock is 2.3.4
11:28 dproldan don't know if you use soemthing from a different version,  it can fail
11:30 JohnDoe_ I've got what CEnnis91 put up a couple of weeks ago when 5.6.0 just came out, nice: everything even the flick of the wrist to turn on is working well
11:31 JohnDoe_ Enhanced Email for gmail, GooCalendar for calendar, just missing my contacts... I am stumped as to the solution so far.
11:32 dproldan same here
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13:08 CEnnis91 [mbm]: (pepble) - thats what a smartwatch should look like imo, is that all interaction between bt or is does this actually run an OS?
13:08 CEnnis91 pebble*
13:24 dproldan wtf
13:24 dproldan somehow
13:25 dproldan i have been able to install an icon in the stock "apps tray"
13:25 dproldan it's alunching fine
13:26 dproldan CEnnis91: is this what you described before?
15:40 [mbm] CEnnis91: dunno ho much of the os runs on the watch and ho much is just screenshots pushed over bluetooth from a smartphone
15:40 [mbm] isn't a touchscreen though
16:21 CEnnis91 dproldan: yes, its what i described before
16:21 CEnnis91 [mbm]: either way smartwatches should really just be bt imo
16:21 CEnnis91 no reason to throw a full fledged os on it
16:21 dproldan you see the icons dissapear too after reboot,  then appear again
16:22 dproldan doesn't work too well
16:22 CEnnis91 i think it needs to be scrolls and/or it polls for the apps SLOWLY
16:22 CEnnis91 im thinking the latter
16:22 CEnnis91 because the stock launcher doesnt show the apps until everything is loaded
16:22 CEnnis91 so if you exit too quickly it looks like nothing is there
16:22 dproldan agree
16:23 CEnnis91 although i cant seem to get the apps to show up now =)
16:23 dproldan it's hit or miss
16:23 CEnnis91 heh, you can still scroll though the launcher thou
16:23 CEnnis91 if you scroll above or below the home icon
16:23 dproldan sometimes one app shows,  th next time it doesn't
16:24 CEnnis91 it might show the list after one is installed
16:24 dproldan dunno
16:26 dproldan maybe they're making something for the "nerd" edition
16:26 dproldan and it's still not finished
16:26 CEnnis91 [mbm]: whats double tap? it seems to be a blur thing
16:26 CEnnis91 dproldan: lol
16:26 CEnnis91 i just found traces of it in settings
16:27 CEnnis91 oh yes, i think i can totally hack settings.apk to show more shit
16:28 dproldan some launchers show a "double tap" setting
16:44 [mbm] CEnnis91: 7 day battery life sounds nice
16:48 CEnnis91 indeed
16:48 CEnnis91 ugh of course apktool has an issue decompiling this thing
16:53 CEnnis91 [mbm]: do you know how an app is packaged into a zip?
16:53 CEnnis91 "apk"
16:53 CEnnis91 is it simply zipped and signed?
16:55 [mbm] yep
16:55 [mbm] there's a signapk tool in aosp
16:56 CEnnis91 yea i already have signapk
16:56 CEnnis91 i think i can add all the missing intents to settings
16:56 CEnnis91 just have to edit an xml
16:57 CEnnis91 oh, unzipping doesnt make the xml readable...
16:57 [mbm] hmm? aren't there missing/mangled activities?
16:57 [mbm] right, it'sa binary xml packing, use apktool
16:57 CEnnis91 apktool didnt work =(
16:58 CEnnis91 String out of bounds error
16:58 [mbm] not quite sure where you're going with the intents thing
17:00 CEnnis91 [mbm]: look between the comments: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/584​9675/motoactv/settings.xml
17:02 [mbm] you're trying to re-add the wireless settings?
17:02 dproldan oO
17:03 CEnnis91 yep
17:03 CEnnis91 because the intent is there, adding that in should make it accessible in settings
17:03 dproldan wooohoo,  I got the contacts working!
17:03 CEnnis91 oh looks like im 0.0.2 versions behind with apktool
17:03 dproldan GTalk now has everybody there...
17:04 [mbm] hmm, interesting; never really bothered to look at the android side of things to see how menus were generated
17:04 dproldan no more force closes when turning on wifi
17:05 [mbm] wait, weren't people running market before?
17:05 [mbm] wondering how that worked without gtalk
17:05 CEnnis91 [mbm]: yep, i learned quite a lot for the few apps i posted on the market
17:06 dproldan wel that part of gtalk worked
17:06 CEnnis91 [mbm]: they arent good apps but the knowledge acquired is always useful
17:06 CEnnis91 well shit
17:06 CEnnis91 the update fixed it
17:06 [mbm] CEnnis91: that sucks
17:06 CEnnis91 sucks?
17:06 CEnnis91 it works now =P
17:07 [mbm] "CEnnis91> well shit"
17:07 CEnnis91 yea i wasnt exactly expecting x.x.2 versions to fix my issue
17:07 [mbm] lol, I know, just messing with you
17:14 CEnnis91 heh, well lets see if this works
17:14 CEnnis91 i couldnt install manually
17:14 CEnnis91 but then again all system apps are made horribly
17:14 CEnnis91 so i just pushed to /system
17:14 [mbm] you would have conflicted with the cert used for the shared system uid
17:15 CEnnis91 Failure [INSTALL_PARSE_FAILED_NO_CERTIFICATES]
17:15 CEnnis91 yea what does that mean
17:19 CEnnis91 [mbm]: ^
17:20 [mbm] all the stuff sharing the same uid (eg, system) need to be signed with the same key
17:20 CEnnis91 =/
17:20 [mbm] not sure if it still works, but the way around that used to be to edit /data/system/package.xml and remove the cert tags
17:20 CEnnis91 does that mean it cant be done?
17:21 [mbm] it'd pick them up again pretty quick, but there was enough of a window to sneaka few pacakges in if you had already placed them in /system
17:23 [mbm] other solution is to just resign everything
17:24 CEnnis91 "already placed them in system" meaning in an update.zip before packages.xml was formed?
17:24 CEnnis91 also, CMScreenshot.apk works, but i guess thats cuz it was a 3rd party
17:25 [mbm] toss your apk in /system/app, edit the package.xml, reboot and see if it gets tricked into installing your apk
17:25 CEnnis91 just remove the cert tag for settings?
17:26 [mbm] probably in there twice, once for the old apk and again for the shared user
17:26 [mbm] remove both
17:26 CEnnis91 <package name="com.android.settings" codePath="/system/app/Settings.apk" nativeLibraryPath="/data/dat​a/com.android.settings/lib" flags="1" ft="13688aad9c0" it="13688aadbdc" ut="13688aadbdc" version="10" sharedUserId="1000">
17:26 CEnnis91 <sigs count="1">
17:26 CEnnis91 <cert index="0" />
17:26 CEnnis91 </sigs>
17:26 CEnnis91 </package>
17:27 [mbm] oh, and the sig tags around them
17:27 [mbm] one you just pasted is the package, there's another one with a <user> tag iirc
17:28 CEnnis91 ah yes, theres two instances in this file, just have to find it
17:28 CEnnis91 im just using cat right now lol
17:29 [mbm] busybox vi ;)
17:29 CEnnis91 <shared-user name="com.android.settings" userId="10032">
17:29 CEnnis91 <sigs count="1">
17:29 CEnnis91 <cert index="0" />
17:29 CEnnis91 </sigs>
17:29 CEnnis91 <perms>
17:29 CEnnis91 <item name="android.permission.READ_CALENDAR" />
17:29 CEnnis91 <item name="android.permission.VIBRATE" />
17:29 CEnnis91 <item name="android.permission.RECEIVE_BOOT_COMPLETED" />
17:29 CEnnis91 <item name="android.permission.BLUETOOTH_ADMIN" />
17:29 CEnnis91 <item name="android.permission.BLUETOOTH" />
17:29 CEnnis91 <item name="android.permission.WAKE_LOCK" />
17:29 CEnnis91 <item name="android.permission.MODIFY_AUDIO_SETTINGS" />
17:29 [mbm] ah yep, that's the other
17:29 CEnnis91 so then just remove both of those bits?
17:29 [mbm] note the matching cert
17:29 [mbm] yep
17:30 CEnnis91 okay
17:30 CEnnis91 remove, toss the apk in system, reboot, (possibly) good?
17:30 [mbm] that's the plan
17:31 [mbm] when it comes back up you'll probably find that it's added the certs tags back
17:31 [mbm] but hopefully itinstalled your new apk and the certs tags are from that
17:31 [mbm] oh, don't forget to remove the odex
17:34 CEnnis91 no odex =)
17:34 [mbm] :)
17:34 CEnnis91 moto excluded odexs from these for w.e reason
17:34 [mbm] lazy
17:34 CEnnis91 well that was comforting
17:34 CEnnis91 soft boot
17:35 CEnnis91 and again...
17:35 [mbm] adb logcat
17:35 [mbm] must be unhappy about something
17:37 CEnnis91 well theres this 04-06 13:37:13.038  3295  3306 E PackageParser: Package com.android.settings has no certificates at entry AndroidManifest.xml; ignoring!
17:37 CEnnis91 04-06 13:37:13.038  3295  3306 W PackageManager: Failed verifying certificates for package:com.android.settings
17:37 CEnnis91 so it didnt work
17:37 CEnnis91 but thats not the error
17:38 [mbm] wait, you didn't sign it at all?
17:38 CEnnis91 shouldve?
17:38 CEnnis91 or does apktool not do that...
17:38 [mbm] yep
17:38 [mbm] thought the error message was slightly different for unsigned vs conflicting
17:40 CEnnis91 (04-06 13:37:11.491  3295  3295 E Sensors : couldn't find 'accelerometer' input device) hehe
17:41 CEnnis91 http://pastebin.com/zbSakjqP perhaps?
17:44 [mbm] can't tell from that log if settings crashed or if something else crashed because settings was unavailable
17:45 CEnnis91 yea well i just signed it
17:46 CEnnis91 i thought apktool did that for you
17:46 CEnnis91 rebooting now
17:48 CEnnis91 yea still nothing
17:49 CEnnis91 Failure [INSTALL_FAILED_SHARED_USER_INCOMPATIBLE]
17:54 [mbm] ah, that's the error I was expecting
17:55 [mbm] that's a conflict on the shared-user cert tag
17:58 CEnnis91 so then what do i do
17:58 CEnnis91 i repushed that packages.xml that removed it
17:58 CEnnis91 and pushed the app in system again
17:58 CEnnis91 i doubt it will work
17:59 CEnnis91 yep softboots again
17:59 [mbm] :/
17:59 [mbm] still saying shared user incompatible in logcat?
18:01 CEnnis91 oh here we go this looks promising of what the error is
18:01 CEnnis91 http://pastebin.com/dhUFnur8
18:02 CEnnis91 right after that is the "AndroidRuntime: >>>>>> AndroidRuntime START com.android.internal.os.ZygoteInit <<<<<<"
18:03 CEnnis91 what? - Failed to find provider info for com.tmobile.driving.settingsprovider
18:04 CEnnis91 04-06 13:59:21.445  1204  1218 I PackageManager: /system/app/Coaching.apk changed; collecting certs
18:04 CEnnis91 04-06 13:59:21.523  1204  1218 I PackageManager: New shared user com.android.settings: id=10032
18:04 CEnnis91 04-06 13:59:21.538  1204  1218 W ResourceType: Failure getting entry for 0x7f020000 (t=1 e=0) in package 0 (error -75)
18:04 CEnnis91 04-06 13:59:21.609  1204  1206 D dalvikvm: GC_CONCURRENT freed 451K, 38% free 4535K/7303K, external 15K/519K, paused 5ms+15ms
18:04 CEnnis91 04-06 13:59:21.679  1204  1218 W ResourceType: Failure getting entry for 0x7f020001 (t=1 e=1) in package 0 (error -75)
18:04 CEnnis91 it successfully changed the shared user
18:05 [mbm] com.tmobile?
18:06 CEnnis91 i have no idea why that's in there
18:07 CEnnis91 i wonder if this error is because of my edits
18:08 [mbm] try a test where you do absolutely nothing other than resign the apk
18:08 CEnnis91 yep already half way there
18:12 CEnnis91 heh
18:12 CEnnis91 no crash
18:12 CEnnis91 but settings doesnt work
18:13 CEnnis91 oh theres the crash
18:14 [mbm] huh, why'd it crash?
18:15 CEnnis91 not sure but its saying settings not found lemme uninstall and remove it completely this time
18:16 [mbm] something else you could try is creating a dummy paackage, signed with the same key and then copy the cert to shared-user and package for settings
18:16 [mbm] then you'd be able to do an adb install ...
18:18 CEnnis91 shouldnt i be able to install this off a fresh install thou?
18:19 CEnnis91 via update.zip
18:19 [mbm] well, first step is prove that it works
18:22 CEnnis91 le sigh
18:22 CEnnis91 ill have to pick this back up later tonight
18:24 [mbm] heh
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