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IRC log for #motoactv, 2012-04-19

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01:19 [mbm] hmm, interesting
01:20 [mbm] if you boot a motorola phone by plugging in the ac charger you get one version of the charging screen
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01:20 [mbm] but if you're fully booted, plug in the charger and use the 'sleep mode' feature you get a completely different one
01:37 CEnnis91 0.o really?
02:00 [mbm] they look the same but they behave slightly different
02:00 [mbm] the sleep mode one rotates and scales with the rotation
02:01 [mbm] will poke at it more later, but I think it's just an android app
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07:06 [mbm] package:/system/app/ChargeOnlyMod​e.apk=com.motorola.chargeonlymode
07:07 [mbm] com.motorola.chargeonlymod​e/.ChargeOnlyModeActivity
07:08 [mbm] isn't that special, the sleep mode on this phone just goes into airplane mode and then optionally starts that charge app
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16:48 dproldan I'm preparing a zip file, to be installed from recovery.  trying to decide some options for an end user
16:50 dproldan adb should be on by default?  the launcher I'm using allows you to turn it on/off
17:06 [mbm] depends on the audience; there's a segment of users that are confused by adb
17:08 dproldan I think I'm going to turn it off,  so people can access their songs right away
17:09 dproldan this is in default.prop,  persist.service.adb.enable=0   right?
17:12 [mbm] tbh you shouldn't set persist properties anywhere other than /data/property
17:13 [mbm] I put those lines in my rooted boot.img just for the sake of simplicity, the way I did it effectively enables adb at boot
17:13 dproldan so, I'm undoing that,  not bad
17:16 dproldan what about reducing the minimum clock for the cpu?
17:16 dproldan that would be in init.xxxxx.rc,  yes?
17:18 [mbm] kernel actually; last I looked tje kernel only did 300/600 switching
17:18 dproldan oh,
17:18 dproldan those values are hardcoded
17:19 dproldan we have this in init.xxxx.rc:  write /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu​0/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq 250000
17:19 dproldan it's not being taken into account
17:22 [mbm] should get clamped to 300000 by kernel
17:24 dproldan pity
17:26 [mbm] we need to poke moto for newer kernel sources to fix that, and fix accel with shake wakeup
17:26 dproldan this Matt guy from the support forums seems to be nice
17:27 dproldan I'm finishing this zip now,  will send some messages late
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17:37 dproldan have you already tried compiling a kernel with a lower min frequency?
17:42 [mbm] nope, but easy enough to do
17:43 dproldan I'd love to try,  don't know 100 Mhz,  rotation enabled,  with the fixed axis
17:44 [mbm] think the axis is correct, just that the device is in landscape mode
17:46 dproldan agree about the landscape mode,  I don't know if that should affect the axis
17:49 [mbm] guess I'm not understanding which axis is wrong
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17:51 dproldan you had to set an option to play enigma,  it would be great if you wouldn't have to
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18:32 kash2 hey guys is anyone here?
18:32 dproldan yes
18:33 kash2 thinking bout getting a moto active, is there a diff between the golf edition and the regular?
18:33 kash2 can you get the regular and flash it to the golf edition?
18:33 dproldan don't know about flashing it,  but the regular has the golf.apk installed
18:34 kash2 wonder why they charge $50 more for the golf one
18:34 [mbm] because they can?
18:34 kash2 haha
18:35 CEnnis91 ^^
18:35 CEnnis91 might get the maps for free
18:35 CEnnis91 doubt it
18:35 [mbm] think the golf one is the same as the 16g model
18:36 Snoothy i thought the golf edition was a 8gb model?
18:36 [mbm] you can also run golf on the 8g but they'll start charging for maps if they haven't already
18:36 kash2 ahh wtf is the MOTOACTV Multi-Sport Edition
18:37 kash2 that one is 400!
18:37 [mbm] thought one 0f the release notes said golf was a free upgrade for 16g
18:37 Snoothy it comes with accessory
18:37 [mbm] that one is a motoactv and all the accessories
18:37 [mbm] bike mounting kits and such
18:37 Snoothy and heart rate monitor
18:38 kash2 ahh
18:38 * [mbm] wonders if anyone has made a lie detector app that uses ant sensors
18:38 kash2 anyways you can push the golf apk to the 8gb also rite
18:39 [mbm] yep
18:39 [mbm] golf is included in the official firmware for both 8 and 16
18:40 [mbm] maps need to be downloaded, they were offering it for free as a beta
18:41 kash2 wonfer if they are still free
18:42 [mbm] haven't checked but that was supposed to have ended as of this week
18:42 ds2 I much rather have a general purpose map app
18:43 kash2 oh lame
18:44 Snoothy talking about the golf maps?
18:45 [mbm] ds2: well, there are some maps already on the device, but the only way you see them is the outdoor exercise modes
18:45 kash2 Snoothy: yeah golf maps
18:45 [mbm] walk/run has street maps
18:46 Snoothy and it's not using google maps?
18:46 ds2 [mbm]: yes, I know... I wish they exposed them or documented the format
18:47 ds2 those maps looks like OSM based maps
18:48 [mbm] hmm, wtf is going on with my phone 50% battery drop in 3 hours
18:48 ds2 gps stuck on?
18:48 kash2 seems like my iphone
18:48 ds2 or wifi spam al la google?
18:49 [mbm] no, checked the obvious stuff; battery info screen in gb is worthless
18:50 ds2 this is gb?
18:50 [mbm] that pretty much just shows backlight, and the backlight doesn't drain quite that much
18:50 ds2 thought it was a hc based?
18:50 [mbm] my phone is still on gb
18:50 ds2 Oh phone..thought it was the actv
18:50 Snoothy gb?
18:50 ds2 nevermind
18:50 ds2 it is probally google spam
18:51 [mbm] honeycomb was only tablets
18:51 Snoothy ah, gingerbread
18:51 ds2 you can put anything in anything
18:51 [mbm] and ics is only supported on a handful of devices
18:51 ds2 all that BS about tablet vs phones and min processor/memory is just BS
18:52 Snoothy ICS requires 2D acceleration from the hardware
18:53 ds2 that can be removed. it is jsut software
18:53 ds2 and a lot of chips that run ICS don't really have true 2D accel anyways
18:54 ds2 bbl
19:16 dproldan was it ClearD who had problems adding a launcher to a recovery zip?
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19:41 CEnnis91 [mbm]: sbf_flash work with droid pros?
19:44 CEnnis91 well, has it been tested on droid pros
19:54 [mbm] CEnnis91: the only thing I've personally tested it on is a droid1, but it's written such that it should work with any phone supporting the sbf protocol
19:55 CEnnis91 okay, and if it has issues, it undoes any changes and what not?
20:02 [mbm] if you don't have a factory programming cable then make sure you have the battery full charged and if it bootloops pull the battery until it can be debugged or reflashed
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23:31 Snoothy have you seen this: http://developer.sonymobile.com/wp/2​012/04/13/powerful-tool-to-analyse-y​our-apks-now-released-open-source/
23:31 Snoothy ?
23:39 [mbm] nope
23:40 Snoothy i'm not sure how much it can disassemble, but it's worth a look
23:44 ds2 anyone tried running the actv with bluetooth on?
23:44 ds2 what's the battery life like? 24hours?
23:44 Snoothy 7-10 hours
23:45 Snoothy wifi off
23:45 ds2 but bt on right?
23:45 Snoothy yes
23:45 ds2 'k...that matches my calcations of the bluetooth modules out there
23:45 Snoothy ?
23:45 ds2 trying to figure out power budgets
23:46 ds2 most bluetooth modules blow as much as 40mA xmitting
23:46 Snoothy thats a lot
23:46 ds2 yes
23:46 ds2 so for a 300mAH battery, that gets you around 10hours
23:46 Snoothy my cheap bt modules from DX only drains 20mA @ TX
23:47 ds2 Snoothy: read the specs carefully
23:47 Snoothy 8mA not transmitting, just paired
23:47 ds2 and is that a measurement that you got the 20mA number from?
23:47 Snoothy datasheet
23:47 ds2 ah... but what if you open a RFcomm link? I am using 'open link, connected' figures
23:48 ds2 not sitting there doing nothing or deep sleep figures (those can be as low as 1uA)
23:50 Snoothy 40µA in deep sleep :P
23:51 Snoothy are you looking for an external bt module or just trying to save some power on the actv?
23:54 ds2 there are multiple things... toying with some ideas and also looking at how to use the actv with max battery life
23:55 ds2 I have happy with the 4-5 days of battery life right now but I have neither bt or wifi on
23:55 Snoothy [mbm] reported 2.5 days with no wireless stuff on
23:55 ds2 it is almost a mental exercise to spec out a EPD watch
23:55 ds2 2.5 days? I am seeing about 4-5 days... but I am just using it to play with the pedometer
23:56 ds2 snoothy: did you hear about the EPD watch?
23:56 Snoothy nop, do you have a link?
23:56 ds2 let me find it
23:57 ds2 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597507018​/pebble-e-paper-watch-for-iphone-and-android
23:57 Snoothy oh
23:57 ds2 trying to spec out what it would take to build a clone of that
23:57 Snoothy yea, i saw that on reddit :P
23:57 ds2 power is the biggest issue, everything else is pretty trivial
23:58 Snoothy you also talked about just pushing images to it over bt?
23:58 Snoothy and scraping the OS
23:58 ds2 I have talked about it?
23:58 ds2 eh?
23:58 ds2 confused.
23:58 Snoothy i just remember someone talked about that on this channel, might not have been you xD
23:59 ds2 probally not me
23:59 ds2 but I do have some esoteric interests in tiny computing devices though
23:59 Snoothy gotta love gadgets
23:59 ds2 I am trying to use them

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