Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #motoactv, 2012-05-08

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01:41 CEnnis91 [mbm]: you aronud
01:46 [mbm] yep
01:46 [mbm] what's up?
01:47 CEnnis91 so i went to make the blank .img, to make the system.img and preinstall.img compress better
01:47 CEnnis91 it's overall bigger, lol,i think i missed something
01:48 [mbm] bigger before compression?
01:48 CEnnis91 before and after
01:49 [mbm] hmm, then you've done something wrong, the before size should be identical
01:49 CEnnis91 how would you copy the data over
01:49 CEnnis91 the way i did it is where i think it went wrong
01:49 [mbm] think we went over this before
01:49 ds2 is system.img suppose to be a cpio archive of a ext3 fs?
01:49 [mbm] figure out the size of the filesystem you want to make
01:50 CEnnis91 oh?
01:50 CEnnis91 i thought it just needed to be anything
01:50 CEnnis91 and then truncate
01:50 [mbm] then dd if=/dev/zero of=filesystem.img bs=<whatever> count=1
01:50 [mbm] mkfs.ext3 filesystem.img
01:50 CEnnis91 mount -o loop ...
01:51 [mbm] right
01:51 CEnnis91 and then?
01:51 ds2 nevermind.
01:51 [mbm] copy files :P
01:51 CEnnis91 yep
01:51 ds2 it is boot.img that is screwy
01:51 CEnnis91 minus the block size count
01:51 [mbm] ds2: the img is written directly to the partition, it needs to be a real filesystem
01:51 CEnnis91 thats what i did
01:51 CEnnis91 [mbm]: so does bs= <size of original system.img>?
01:51 ds2 [mbm]: sorry, I was confusing boot.img and system.img
01:51 [mbm] ds2: the boot.img is screw but I didn't think it was a cpio
01:52 ds2 it isn't? hmmmm
01:52 CEnnis91 ds2: the ramdisk is cpio
01:52 [mbm] CEnnis91: that sets the size of the empty file you create
01:52 ds2 fastboot does magic with ramdisk.img + zImage
01:52 ds2 sigh... too many formats.
01:52 CEnnis91 the .img itself is not
01:52 ds2 I see.
01:53 [mbm] CEnnis91: also when running mkfs you can set the volume label and uuid if you want
01:53 CEnnis91 ds2: it's well documented http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=HO​WTO:_Unpack%2C_Edit%2C_and_Re-Pack_Boot_Images
01:53 [mbm] yeah, that script mostly works .. not entirely accurate though
01:53 CEnnis91 [mbm]: yes, but if i make the bs too big, shouldnt i just be able to truncate the .img later?
01:53 [mbm] if you want to truncate it, do it before the mkfs
01:54 CEnnis91 hmmm okay
01:54 CEnnis91 -rw------- 1 ennis ennis 163446784 May  7 21:37 system.img --- so then i use that for the bs?
01:54 CEnnis91 er no
01:55 ds2 actually, why can't you do this -
01:55 [mbm] well, you should probably be running tune2fs on that and getting the block size and number of blocks
01:55 CEnnis91 [mbm]: Block count:              159616
01:55 CEnnis91 yea
01:55 ds2 create a very minimal size image. mkfs/gzip/etc
01:55 ds2 install then run e2fsresize on it
01:55 ds2 should give you a smaller compressed image that way
01:56 [mbm] ds2: well, the whole point of the exercise is to create a normal sized img file that's mostly filled with some arbitrary padding like 0x00 so it compresses well in the zip
01:56 ds2 CEnnis91: thanks for that link
01:57 CEnnis91 [mbm]: what would setting the label and uuid do? just cuz
01:57 CEnnis91 ?
01:57 ds2 [mbm]: yes but you are still stuck with having to carry across 2 copies.. one for 8G and one for 16G
01:57 [mbm] CEnnis91: pretty much of no value
01:57 ds2 whereas creating a small one should let you share them
01:57 CEnnis91 [mbm]: little easter eggs that only you would find
01:57 CEnnis91 =P
01:57 CEnnis91 but as always, good to know
01:57 [mbm] ds2: um, system is the exact same size on both the 8g and 16g devices .. what are you getting at?
01:58 ds2 [mbm]: it is, down to the byte?!
01:58 CEnnis91 yep
01:58 ds2 I'd think there are some partitioning/round off
01:58 ds2 Hmmm
01:58 CEnnis91 nah
01:58 ds2 nevermind then
01:58 CEnnis91 only change is in the data.img
01:58 [mbm] ds2: yeah, the extra 8g goes into the external storage partition
01:58 CEnnis91 userdata.img technically
01:59 [mbm] pretty sure it's the emstorage thing, ie, /sdcard
01:59 ds2 [mbm]: been fighting slight size differences due to "presented geometry" issues on what suppose to be the same SD card
01:59 CEnnis91 [mbm]: er maybe i cant remember
02:00 [mbm] very last partition changed size
02:01 [mbm] hmm.. offtopic but I don't suppose anyone here know how android handles the 'device administrators' ?
02:03 CEnnis91 it what sense
02:04 [mbm] settings -> location & security -> device administrators ...
02:04 [mbm] trying to figure out where all of that is actually stored
02:04 ds2 hmmm u running a standard launcher?
02:04 CEnnis91 -rw-rw-r--  1 ennis ennis  93586195 May  7 22:03 newsystem.img.zip
02:04 CEnnis91 -rw-rw-r--  1 ennis ennis  93992848 May  7 22:03 system.img.zip
02:04 [mbm] (not motoactv related)
02:04 CEnnis91 that look normal?
02:05 CEnnis91 not a -9 compression
02:05 [mbm] your new system compressed slightly better
02:05 CEnnis91 yep
02:05 CEnnis91 wasnt sure how dramatically different it would be
02:05 [mbm] and it might compress even more with -9
02:05 CEnnis91 also, one sec i can find out where that is stored
02:06 CEnnis91 almost positive ive seen it in a .db
02:06 [mbm] thinking /data/system/accounts.db and device_policy.xml but that doesn't seem to be the case
02:09 CEnnis91 well definitely device_policy.xml has some bits
02:10 [mbm] except changing that xml and rebooting doesn't seem to change the settings menu
02:11 CEnnis91 wouldnt it be read on boot and modified to avoid such a simple attempt at modifying?
02:11 [mbm] hence the reboot
02:11 CEnnis91 "read on boot"
02:12 CEnnis91 wtf
02:12 [mbm] ? change the xml, reboot, next bootup it'll read the new values ...
02:12 CEnnis91 ./data/user/0
02:12 CEnnis91 is that an ics thing
02:12 CEnnis91 (clearly its root related)
02:13 [mbm] hmm, do you happen to have a program called switchme installed?
02:13 CEnnis91 no whats that?
02:13 [mbm] program that lets you "log out" of one android "user" and log in as another
02:14 [mbm] thought it used directories like that
02:14 CEnnis91 interesting
02:14 [mbm] never could get the damn thing to work
02:15 [mbm] seems like it replaces a large chunk of /data with whatever user you're logged in as and does a soft reboot
02:15 [mbm] anyway, no /data/user/0 on my gb device
02:17 CEnnis91 seems  to be related to titanium backup
02:17 CEnnis91 which has similar functionality
02:17 CEnnis91 and the data of access would support the theory
02:18 CEnnis91 (havent touched it in a while) -- last accessed feb 17
02:18 CEnnis91 also
02:18 CEnnis91 maybe device_policy is checked with an md5 somewhere?
02:18 [mbm] nah, not like it reverted back
02:18 [mbm] still shows my changes
02:19 * [mbm] reading through frameworks/base/services/java/com/androi​d/server/DevicePolicyManagerService.java
02:19 [mbm] (which seems to parse device_policies)
02:19 CEnnis91 question, is there a parameter for find that can do seconds/minutes?
02:19 CEnnis91 -mtime seems tobe only for days
02:20 CEnnis91 oh
02:20 CEnnis91 -mmin
02:20 CEnnis91 wow
02:21 [mbm] there's also stuff like -newer for comparing it with other files
02:23 CEnnis91 yea
02:25 CEnnis91 yea
02:25 CEnnis91 [mbm]: its just device_policy.xml
02:25 [mbm] dumpsys device_policy
02:26 CEnnis91 so its enabled lower?
02:26 [mbm] huh?
02:26 [mbm] dumpsys is just the debug output from the service
02:27 [mbm] more detailed than the settings screen
02:27 CEnnis91 is that only an android thing?
02:27 [mbm] yeah, but works on any android
02:28 [mbm] dumpsys is a subset of dumpstate
02:28 CEnnis91 why doesnt device_policy show up in ps?
02:29 [mbm] not that type of service
02:29 CEnnis91 is there a way to list them?
02:29 [mbm] sure, just run dumpsys
02:29 [mbm] hmm, moto has added a mot_device_policies.xml
02:31 CEnnis91 hrm is dumpsys what bugreport does?
02:31 [mbm] pretty much
02:33 CEnnis91 oh well this works
02:33 CEnnis91 dumpsys | head -n 75
02:33 CEnnis91 service wise
02:33 [mbm] yep, although once you know the names it's just 'dumpsys ____'
02:34 CEnnis91 yea
02:34 CEnnis91 well i dont know the names =P
02:34 CEnnis91 now
02:34 CEnnis91 where is that stuff read from?
02:34 CEnnis91 the apk itself?
02:35 CEnnis91 and what are you getting at with this anyway? rogue apps?
02:35 [mbm] nope, messages passed via binder
02:35 [mbm] removing vzw preinstalled crap
02:36 CEnnis91 vzw stuff has device admin?
02:36 [mbm] like their stupid backup assistant
02:36 [mbm] yep
02:36 CEnnis91 hmmm rogue apps could definitely use this however
02:36 CEnnis91 they would have to assume root perms thou
02:37 [mbm] well, for 3d party apps there's a checkbox to toggle admin rights and it's explicitly off until you check the box to enable it
02:37 CEnnis91 yes
02:37 [mbm] for the builtin stuff annoyingly there's no such checkbox
02:37 CEnnis91 oh wow
02:37 [mbm] trying to figure out why
02:37 CEnnis91 yea thats true
02:37 CEnnis91 system apps have unlim perms
02:37 [mbm] yeah, f that.
02:38 [mbm] so many things I hate about android "security"
02:39 CEnnis91 yea
02:39 CEnnis91 but
02:40 CEnnis91 its still "safe" for the average user
02:40 CEnnis91 does backup assistant show up in device_policy?
02:40 [mbm] only in the same sense that the tsa makes us all safer :P
02:40 [mbm] nope, that one shows up in accounts though
02:40 CEnnis91 tsa?
02:41 [mbm] oh, you've never been near an airport in the last 10 years?
02:41 [mbm] transportation security administration
02:42 [mbm] the people that feel you up every time you get on a flight, you know, for your own protection
02:47 CEnnis91 [mbm]: ah
02:48 CEnnis91 [mbm]: and actually not really, ive only flown once
02:48 CEnnis91 10 years might be accurate =P
02:48 CEnnis91 but yea i shouldve known that
02:48 [mbm] tsa was created in response to 9/11
02:49 CEnnis91 yea
02:49 [mbm] they haven't caught any terrorists since their creation
02:49 CEnnis91 where do you think the code for the app disabling in ics would lie?
02:50 [mbm] but they've created thousands of jobs, and made millions (billions?) for the security industry
02:50 CEnnis91 frameworks/base/services/j​ava/com/android/server/am maybe?
02:50 [mbm] am is activity manager, you probably want pm, package manager
02:51 CEnnis91 hmmm okay
02:51 [mbm] and pretty much everything pm can do is exposed through the commandline pm util
02:51 CEnnis91 grepping for "disabled" doesnt exactly return useful results =)
02:51 [mbm] so not a whole lot of point in poking around at the sources
02:53 CEnnis91 speaking of
02:53 CEnnis91 wtf
02:53 CEnnis91 ./system/bin/pm gives me a segfault?
02:54 [mbm] don't try to run it from busybox .. it doesn't like that
02:54 CEnnis91 i wouldnt run it from busybox
02:55 CEnnis91 its not a busybox bin =P
02:55 CEnnis91 hmmm
02:55 CEnnis91 it doesnt like me running it from su
02:55 CEnnis91 i dont remember that ever being an issue
02:55 * [mbm] has a busybox configured for use as a shell, everything I type into the shell is interpreted as a busybox command first, meaning I don't need the crapload of symlinks all over the place
02:56 CEnnis91 how did you set that up
02:56 [mbm] http://dl.opticaldelusion.org/busybox
02:56 CEnnis91 also, yea pm is fine on my droid with su
02:56 [mbm] busybox sh
02:56 CEnnis91 oh so just ur startup command?
02:57 [mbm] just a configuration setting when you compile busybox
02:57 CEnnis91 pm list
02:57 [mbm] yeah, pretty much when I drop into a shell via adb or logcat I run that
02:57 CEnnis91 meh
02:57 [mbm] pm list packages -f
02:57 CEnnis91 yea
02:57 CEnnis91 but why cant i run this from su
02:58 [mbm] works fine for me as su
02:58 CEnnis91 yea
02:58 CEnnis91 anyawy to expand the seg fault?
02:58 [mbm] check logcat?
03:00 [mbm] hmm, well this is interesting .. I got the intended effect I wanted, no more builtin device managers .. odd thing is that it still shows motorola corp sync, without a checkbox .. but when you select it it asks if you want to enble it
03:02 CEnnis91 [mbm]: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5849675/al​ogcat.2012-05-07-23-00-25-0400.txt
03:04 [mbm] list of function calls, filename and line number in parens
03:04 [mbm] go back and read the code to see wtf happened
03:05 [mbm] it crashed due to a null pointer somewhere
03:16 CEnnis91 [mbm]: https://github.com/ChainsDD/su-bin​ary/issues/6#issuecomment-3018161
03:22 [mbm] lol
03:23 CEnnis91 so did google do it?
03:26 CEnnis91 lol someone at google had this issue as well?
03:27 [mbm] well, there shouldn't be any particular need for LD_LIBRARY_PATH
03:28 [mbm] means someone has set the runtime path wrong while compiling
03:28 [mbm] and grepping around in /proc for the previous environment is absolutely the wromg way to handle it
03:29 CEnnis91 you're referencing this comment? First of all, who added the requirement for LD_LIBRARY_PATH to all processes in ICS?
03:35 ds2 hmmm
03:35 ds2 what's the correct thread to look at for Launcher stuff?
03:36 CEnnis91 thread?
03:36 ds2 or does anyone here know what's the current with the Launcher stuff?
03:36 CEnnis91 what do you want to know
03:36 ds2 wanted to know if there is a way to have the Moto apps AND be able to launch my own stuff
03:37 ds2 the pedometer is kind of nice
03:38 CEnnis91 [mbm]: this doesnt exist in ics source -- gingerbread/build/core/droiddoc.mk:LD_LI​BRARY_PATH=$(HOST_OUT_SHARED_LIBRARIES) \
03:38 CEnnis91 is that related
03:39 [mbm] not exactly
03:39 ds2 thos are build time stuff
03:40 CEnnis91 yea thats what i thought
03:41 CEnnis91 cant seem to find any direct differences between the two
03:41 CEnnis91 gonna just look through the whole source
03:48 CEnnis91 oh good, gimp 2.8 for windows was finally built
03:53 CEnnis91 [mbm]: didnt you say you go it down to 162mb?
03:53 CEnnis91 the stock image
04:03 ds2 hmmm looks like no progress on the launcher front
04:03 CEnnis91 -rw-rw-r-- 1 ennis ennis 194605388 May  8 00:01 new.zip
04:03 CEnnis91 -rw------- 1 ennis ennis 194831587 Apr 26 18:04 old.zip
04:03 CEnnis91 =/
04:03 CEnnis91 yea, its smaller lol
04:04 ds2 is this thing GB or HC based?
04:04 CEnnis91 gb
04:05 ds2 oh so the initial reports are wrong?
04:05 CEnnis91 huh?
04:06 ds2 there are some reports that it is HC based
04:06 ds2 finding that in searches
04:07 CEnnis91 wait
04:07 CEnnis91 not sure if were on two different stories here
04:07 CEnnis91 i kind of jump around alot
04:22 [mbm] CEnnis91: yep, it's on my other machine
04:22 CEnnis91 why the hell didnt mine go that small then
04:22 CEnnis91 it clearly helped because it compressed smaller
04:23 [mbm] did you toss out all the non img stuff?
04:23 [mbm] no need for the system files when you can just write system.img
04:24 CEnnis91 yep they're gone
04:24 [mbm] same for preinstall
04:24 CEnnis91 yep
04:24 CEnnis91 preinstall.img is still there thou
04:24 CEnnis91 so is that what you did?
04:24 CEnnis91 took out preinstall img?
04:27 [mbm] nope, still there
04:27 [mbm] everything zipped with -9
04:27 CEnnis91 hmmm
04:27 CEnnis91 maybe preinstall isnt made right
04:27 [mbm] gimme an hour or so and I'll send you my version
04:27 CEnnis91 okay
04:41 CEnnis91 [mbm]: precompressed will the md5 of the .imgs be the same?
04:47 CEnnis91 sha1 and md5 are different, doesnt that mean updater-scripts will fail?
04:47 CEnnis91 even for the individual files
04:50 [mbm] no, you've changed the contents
04:50 [mbm] far more 0's in the img
04:57 CEnnis91 so basically i did it wrong?
04:59 CEnnis91 also it seems koush was already on the case with that su issue, and submitted a patch already
04:59 CEnnis91 http://review.cyanogenmod.com/#/c/15606/
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06:19 [mbm] CEnnis91: poke.
06:25 [mbm] 162Mrepack.zip
06:26 [mbm] http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=8UvrqwJ6
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06:56 ds2 hmmmm this launcher situation is irritating
07:14 [mbm] ?
07:19 ds2 if I install an alt. launcher, I can enter the motoapps but I cannot return w/o a reboot
07:30 [mbm] set a home button
07:37 ds2 hmmmm
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14:21 jyx hi all
15:09 dproldan hi
16:02 CEnnis91 [mbm]: lol, well i did it right
16:03 CEnnis91 err no
16:04 CEnnis91 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=q4kMqYnn
17:13 Snoothy CEnnis91: what are you working with atm?
18:05 jyx anyone fixed the rotation thing?
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18:09 dproldan jyx: nope, afaik
18:12 Snoothy rotation as in accelerometer or that its axis' are not right?
18:14 dproldan accelerometer works right,  the direction of the screen is off
18:34 jyx exactly
18:34 jyx if i has the source code of sensors.c
18:34 jyx i would recompile it
18:34 jyx i tried to disasm the elf sensors.G2.so
18:35 jyx but i'm new to these things i think i need an ARM disassembler
18:39 dproldan the source is out there
18:39 jyx link please
18:40 dproldan http://sourceforge.net/projects/motoa​ctv.motorola/files/MOTOACTV-Americas/
18:40 jyx yes i didn't find sensors.c there
18:42 dproldan oh,  i see
18:42 jyx sensors.c is part of Android i think
18:43 jyx dunno anyway, i need to change data_pull function
18:46 Snoothy but the source is not up to date
18:47 jyx right
18:48 jyx but we need only sensors so file
18:48 jyx so its not important
18:49 jyx who has the environment installed?
18:50 dproldan i have for cm7
18:51 dproldan sensors.G2.so is exactly the same size as sensors.sholes.so,  hmm
18:52 jyx check CRC or MD5
18:53 dproldan MD5 is different
19:06 jyx then i think the size is the same because of the padding
19:10 jyx data_poll
19:14 jyx i don't think its in the kernel
19:19 jyx . Replace the original Google versions with the Motorola Mobility published repos.
19:19 jyx where are these?
19:22 dproldan I suppose they're refering to those tgz
19:22 dproldan they're not repos but...
19:24 dproldan about sensors.so.  I think it's just generic android,  without any motorola modification
19:24 dproldan the one I have for sholes is not proprietary
19:24 jyx do you have also the source code?
19:24 jyx sensors.c ?
19:24 jyx if you have please send me
19:25 dproldan one sec
19:27 dproldan i think the file is hw-sensors.c
19:27 jyx ok
19:28 dproldan nah,  i'm wrong
19:28 dproldan one sec
19:28 jyx http://gitorious.org/0xdroid/external​_qemu/blobs/ae89c45f2eeb4effa50bf32ab​0c22e5d72cb3291/android/hw-sensors.c
19:29 jyx is the same?
19:29 dproldan hw-sensors is only for the emu
19:29 jyx ok
19:30 dproldan sending you the one for droid2we
19:30 jyx ok
19:31 dproldan irc transfer waiting for you
19:31 jyx lol didnt receive anything
19:32 jyx pls send it on haxormail@gmail.com
19:34 dproldan sent,  but also here  https://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_device_​motorola_droid2we/tree/gingerbread/libsensors
19:34 jyx do tyou think the hardware is the same ?
19:34 jyx KXTF9 3-axis Accelerometer
19:35 dproldan one sec
19:37 dproldan no idea,  it goes through the MSP430
19:39 dproldan I2C@0 {
19:39 dproldan bus1devices = "cyttsp3-i2c";
19:39 dproldan bus2devices = "msp430";
19:39 dproldan bus3devices = "cs42l73,lm3535";
19:39 dproldan class = "I2C";
19:39 dproldan type = <0x10003>;
19:39 dproldan Accelerometer@0 {
19:39 dproldan axis_map_x = [00];
19:39 dproldan axis_map_y = [01];
19:39 dproldan axis_map_z = [02];
19:39 dproldan class = "Accelerometer";
19:39 dproldan negate_x = [01];
19:39 dproldan negate_y = [00];
19:39 dproldan negate_z = [01];
19:40 jyx where did u find that code?
19:40 dproldan ohhh,  negate x
19:40 jyx ah ok
19:40 dproldan negate z
19:40 dproldan it's in devtree
19:40 jyx is there a setting?
19:40 dproldan http://wiki.opticaldelusion​.org/wiki/Motoactv/devtree
19:40 jyx t
19:40 jyx that's a flag?
19:40 jyx 01
19:40 jyx 00
19:41 jyx its possible to change those settings?
19:41 dproldan yes,  [mbm] can
19:41 dproldan I don't know hoe he does
19:41 jyx lool
19:49 jyx do you think that's configuration is like in the boot.img ?
19:51 dproldan no,  that's what the kernel uses for configuring the hatrdware
19:51 dproldan it's stored in a partition
19:51 jyx cat /proc/device-tree/System@0/Keypad@0/name
19:51 jyx its easy then
19:52 jyx let me try
20:01 dproldan this seems to  be the a way to extract that partition  http://and-developers.com/parti​tions:cdt#extracting_partitions
20:01 dproldan I don't know how to write back to it
20:01 dproldan maybe with janneg's kernel module it's possible to map it and then dd to it
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20:12 jyx i think its possible to use fastboot to flash the devtree partition
20:22 dproldan now THIS is interesting:  http://community.developer.motorola.c​om/t5/Android-App-Development-for/ANN​-MOTOACTV-notification-API/td-p/19927
20:23 jyx ok i dumped
20:23 jyx devtree.img
20:57 jyx i'm changing these properties
20:57 jyx and flashing devtree
20:57 jyx but it doesn't change anything
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21:04 jyx ok
21:04 jyx back
21:04 jyx asd
21:04 jyx do you think i should change axis remapping
21:05 jyx or the negate y axis ?
21:14 Snoothy http://bittinker.wordpress.com​/2012/01/11/motoactv-hda-api/
21:24 jyx hmm its working
21:24 jyx the fix works but not for the screen rotation
21:24 jyx only for games
21:25 Snoothy custom launcher?
21:25 jyx what do you mean?
21:26 Snoothy why doesnt it work for screen rotation?
21:26 jyx who knows
21:26 Snoothy did you enable autoscreen rotation in settings?
21:26 jyx the problem is
21:26 jyx it inverts the screen rotation
21:27 Snoothy so the picture is upside down?
21:27 jyx yes
21:27 jyx no
21:27 jyx top-bottom = left-right
21:27 jyx 90°
21:28 Snoothy yeah, it's a portrait device and moto locked it in reverse_landscape
21:28 Snoothy 0,0 is in the top right corner instead of the top left corner
21:29 jyx that's the reason
21:29 jyx i guess if it's possible to change that behaviour in the devtree
21:29 Snoothy i think [mbm] said it would be possible to change it
21:30 jyx maybe changing the width / height
21:30 jyx inverting them
21:30 jyx i try it
21:31 jyx i don't think it will work
21:31 jyx lol
21:41 Snoothy what is this cleardroid rom people are talking about?
21:45 Snoothy jyx: how much memory is available to install apps?
21:49 jyx few MBs if you don't install link2sd
21:50 CEnnis91 you really dont need to install much to this device..
21:50 Snoothy CEnnis91: depends on the user
21:51 Snoothy https://play.google.com/store/apps/​details?id=com.locnet.flitkeyboard
21:51 Snoothy have you tried this with the actv?
21:52 CEnnis91 i disagree
21:52 CEnnis91 stop trying to push the device further then it needs to
21:53 jyx Snoothy: yes use it
21:53 CEnnis91 sure, the ability to say "i can do this with my watch!" is fucking cool
21:53 CEnnis91 but realistically you wont gain much actual benefit
21:53 jyx actually
21:53 jyx i installed Sygc :[
21:53 CEnnis91 (this is what i have learned after 2 years in android)
21:53 Snoothy CEnnis91: i'm going to control my lights with it, my AVR and xbmc so far
21:53 CEnnis91 Snoothy: you can install that in the internal memory
21:53 CEnnis91 no prob
21:54 Snoothy true
21:54 jyx do you know if it needs something to make device-tree configuration read?
21:54 CEnnis91 installing angry birds? --- no so much
21:54 jyx i mean, it's read at every reboot ?
21:54 CEnnis91 jyx: not sure about all the devtree stuff, that's [mbm]'s area
21:54 Snoothy angry birds needs a larger res
21:55 jyx i'm changing the Accelerometer settings in devtree but it seems to not changing anything
21:55 jyx this device is so powerful that runs Templerun with any problem
21:55 jyx except the accelerometer is all wrong
21:56 Snoothy it's only 1-1½ year old hw, if i'm not mistaken
21:56 jyx also the GPS works great
21:57 jyx anyway
21:57 jyx when mbm will be available anyone knows?
21:58 CEnnis91 jyx: he's a PST guy, to keep in mind
21:58 jyx oh
21:58 jyx lol
22:00 jyx well
22:00 jyx now its 15:00 there
22:01 Snoothy 00:00 here
22:01 jyx yup
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22:02 CEnnis91 Snoothy: i know ive asked youbefore, but where you are again? lol
22:02 Snoothy i'm from denmark
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22:03 CEnnis91 ah thats right
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22:32 Snoothy was the pedometer steps stored in a db on the actv daily?
22:35 [mbm] yep
22:36 Snoothy do you remember the path to it?
22:36 CEnnis91 ./data/data/<packagename>/databases/<database name>.db
22:36 [mbm] never bothered to look
22:37 CEnnis91 i can't look right now
22:37 CEnnis91 but that's where it would be
22:37 Snoothy then i'll have to dig when i get it
22:39 Snoothy haha
22:39 Snoothy CEnnis91[mbm]: /data/data/com.motorola.gaulta​​ctivity/databases/activity.db
22:39 Snoothy knew you mentioned it earlier :P
22:39 CEnnis91 looks right
22:39 [mbm] msp430 keeps a count, occasionally the android polls the value, tosses it in some db somewhere
22:39 CEnnis91 [mbm]: does the software automatically upload on wifi connection?
22:39 CEnnis91 i think i remember that it does
22:39 Snoothy but wouldn't it be the stock launcher which polls?
22:40 [mbm] CEnnis91: yeah
22:40 CEnnis91 launcher is just a front end
22:40 CEnnis91 it reads from the accelerometer and just displays it
22:40 [mbm] well, most of the stock rom seems to be contained within the launcher
22:40 CEnnis91 yea
22:40 CEnnis91 well
22:41 CEnnis91 [mbm]: it links to other parts in alot of cases
22:41 CEnnis91 settings/music/golf
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22:41 [mbm] think golf is the only one of those that can be run as a standalone app
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