Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #motoactv, 2012-05-12

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00:13 CEnnis91 [mbm]: 0.o looks like moto took down the 1.6.6 for the MA 8gb
00:14 CEnnis91 maybe not
00:17 CEnnis91 nope they definitely did
00:17 CEnnis91 good thing i pulled it
00:17 ds2 [mbm]: Thanks. do you know who made the accel?
00:18 CEnnis91 ds2: it was in the original code
00:18 CEnnis91 he just uncommented it =)
00:18 ds2 noooo
00:18 ds2 who as in what mfg's accel was used
00:18 ds2 kionix, st, etc.
00:18 CEnnis91 oh, no idea there
00:19 ds2 with the accel, we can do a 'double tap' for menu key ;)
00:19 ds2 now that would be power intensive!
00:19 CEnnis91 huh?
00:19 ds2 which part?
00:20 CEnnis91 both actually
00:20 ds2 we can watch the accel and see if the watch has been tapped.
00:20 ds2 if so, send out a key event
00:20 CEnnis91 lol
00:20 ds2 problem is watching it means keeping the cpu alive which burns power
00:20 CEnnis91 yes
00:20 CEnnis91 explaining the first part explained the second =)
00:20 ds2 if we knew which accel, we can see if the accel has hardware support for that (some do)
00:21 CEnnis91 but the problem is
00:21 CEnnis91 using that kernel
00:21 CEnnis91 we dont have access to shake to wake
00:21 ds2 ahhh I see
00:21 CEnnis91 thats from like 4.53.60
00:22 ds2 do we have sources for a more recent kernel?
00:22 CEnnis91 nope
00:22 CEnnis91 that's been the biggest issue
00:22 ds2 no one made a GPL request?
00:22 CEnnis91 dunno
00:22 CEnnis91 they released kernel code
00:22 CEnnis91 usually thats enough
00:23 ds2 cuz if they just opened it up more, they could get a lot of interesting stuff to happen
00:23 CEnnis91 but they dont want that =P
00:23 ds2 they need to be convinced that is a good thing... it amounts to them selling more hardware
00:24 ds2 this one watch has like 90% of the features of all the special watches from the 80's and 90's... radio, games, mapping, gps
00:24 ds2 pedometer
00:24 ds2 if they only had a barometer and mag, it could rival the casios ;)
00:26 CEnnis91 hrm why didnt this ota flash
00:26 CEnnis91 might be the asserts
00:27 CEnnis91 yep thought so
00:28 CEnnis91 hmmm can probably use [mbm]'s recoverty
00:29 CEnnis91 wow i havent used "apply /sdcard/update.zip" in forever
00:29 CEnnis91 such an old feature
00:29 ds2 heh
00:29 ds2 just flash it
00:29 CEnnis91 huh?
00:29 ds2 forget that silly update.zip stuff
00:29 CEnnis91 ds2: i cant in this case =P
00:29 ds2 why not?
00:29 CEnnis91 ds2: i need to make the .imgs of the 1.6.6 for the 8gb
00:30 ds2 many... GPS's Z axis is sure F'ed... 17ft..now 132ft.
00:30 CEnnis91 and i cant upgrade to that cuz moto took it down
00:30 ds2 oh
00:30 CEnnis91 cuz it has the good golf stuff
00:30 ds2 blah
00:30 CEnnis91 nbd
00:30 CEnnis91 this is easy
00:31 CEnnis91 just an extra step i didnt originally anticipate =)
00:32 CEnnis91 lolwut
00:32 CEnnis91 apply sdcard:update.zip actually lets me choose a zip on the sdcard
00:32 CEnnis91 thats new
00:32 CEnnis91 fine with me
00:35 PhoenixMage Sorry guys, if I install a custom rom do I still get access to all the fitness related stuff on the motoactv?
00:35 CEnnis91 theres only one custom rom atm
00:37 PhoenixMage hmmm, I see sorry I didnt notice the second one were teh stock roms
00:37 CEnnis91 yea those wont be around much longer ;)
00:38 PhoenixMage why is that?
00:38 CEnnis91 im updating them
00:38 PhoenixMage Oh ok
00:38 PhoenixMage So does the custom ROM allow the fitness apps to run and act as a watch, etc?
00:39 CEnnis91 meh crap
00:39 CEnnis91 ds2: do you have adb access to your motoactv atm?
00:39 CEnnis91 PhoenixMage: i believe so
00:40 CEnnis91 eh there we go, nvm ds2
00:41 PhoenixMage Only 2 things I want. FLAC playback so I dont have to transcode my music library and email, fb notifications, etc but I dont think I can get either
00:42 CEnnis91 you would need to have wifi connected for those notifications
00:42 CEnnis91 theres no app that would push that stuff over bt yet
00:43 PhoenixMage CEnnis91: You mean wifi actv so the actv can pull it itself?
00:43 ds2 CEnnis91: yes I do
00:43 ds2 okay
00:44 ds2 PhoenixMage: I have the fitness apps, mapping apps, and gps apps all at the same time
00:44 CEnnis91 ds2: i just needed the partition numbers
00:44 CEnnis91 but i got them
00:44 ds2 'k
00:44 PhoenixMage ds2: Cool
00:45 ds2 we can do better then those TV watches from the 80's... wifi + streaming video
00:45 PhoenixMage What does the custom rom offer over rooting?
00:45 PhoenixMage just rootin
00:45 CEnnis91 pretty much nothing
00:45 CEnnis91 1% battery intervals?
00:49 CEnnis91 hmmm updating these fxzs would actually be pretty easy
00:49 PhoenixMage Anyone tried using poweramp on the actv/
00:50 PhoenixMage ?
00:50 CEnnis91 http://motoactv.wikispaces.com/ has a list
00:50 CEnnis91 doesnt look like it there
00:58 PhoenixMage Does that mean no one has tried or it doesnt work?
01:01 CEnnis91 probably that no one tried
01:06 CEnnis91 hmmm
01:06 CEnnis91 ds2: what would changing the block size of a fs affect?
01:06 PhoenixMage Might root and try, it plays flac. Hope its got enough CPU to do it
01:11 ds2 CEnnis91: amount of space available
01:11 ds2 access speed
01:11 ds2 those are the major ones
01:11 CEnnis91 ds2: looks like i changed the block size of the imgs from 1024 to 4096 when i optimized them...
01:12 ds2 poweramp?!? there is a power amp on there? seems like an odd thing to have for a device with a 200mAH battery
01:12 ds2 CEnnis91: if you have a lot of small files, they will potentially use up more space
01:14 CEnnis91 im just trying to figure out how the fuck i changed the block size...
01:14 ds2 probally defaults
01:14 ds2 these are ext3's?
01:14 CEnnis91 yea
01:14 CEnnis91 but default is 1042
01:14 CEnnis91 1024*
01:14 ds2 mkfs parameters
01:15 ds2 how did you determine the default is 1024?
01:15 CEnnis91 idk lol
01:15 ds2 my man page says ...heuristically  determined  by  the  filesystem  size...
01:15 CEnnis91 well then i guess ill have to set it
01:16 CEnnis91 there done
01:16 PhoenixMage ds2: Poweramp is the best music player for android imho
01:16 ds2 oh software
01:16 ds2 blah
01:16 PhoenixMage yeah, sorry :)
01:17 ds2 I'm happy with the included music player software
01:19 CEnnis91 there we go that's what it was, thanks ds2
01:26 PhoenixMage ds2: Doesnt play flac I dont think
01:27 CEnnis91 PhoenixMage: you probably need the binaries
01:27 CEnnis91 flac was added in 3.1 natively
01:32 PhoenixMage CEnnis91: Sorry I am not sure what you mean?
01:33 PhoenixMage 3.1 of what?
01:39 CEnnis91 android
01:39 CEnnis91 ie honeycomb
01:42 PhoenixMage Oh yeah but Motoactv is only GB
01:44 CEnnis91 [mbm]: "." when you're around
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05:58 [mbm] ..
06:32 [mbm] CEnnis91: poke
06:32 CEnnis91 [mbm] so I pulled the system.img from the 8gb version of 1.6.6
06:33 CEnnis91 Apparently this is using all the blocks in the partition
06:33 CEnnis91 160000 vs 159616 or something like that
06:34 CEnnis91 And therefore I can't truncate it to make it flash in fastboot
06:34 CEnnis91 Anyway to rearrange the file?
06:40 [mbm] run your script from yesterday
06:41 CEnnis91 Didn't help
06:41 CEnnis91 I even forced it to change blocksize
06:41 [mbm] you mean number of blocks?
06:41 CEnnis91 Yea
06:41 [mbm] that should have done it
06:42 CEnnis91 It tried creating like a 3gb image
06:43 CEnnis91 I checked the file in a hex editor it has data at the end too
06:44 CEnnis91 So resizing it corrupted it or something
06:45 CEnnis91 Hmmm idk if I checked the hex data after running the script
06:48 CEnnis91 ugh but i cant check that now, apparently i dont have access to my computer
06:48 CEnnis91 [mbm]: if that doesnt work, is there really anything i can do
06:51 [mbm] hmm? you should be able to just recreate it as a smaller filesystem
06:54 CEnnis91 hrm okay ill see what i can do tomorrow then
06:54 CEnnis91 i tried simply truncating at one point, it mounted fine, but one file way corrupt
06:56 [mbm] well yeah, you can't just arbitrarily truncate a filesystem
06:56 [mbm] but you can make a newer smaller one and copy files into it
06:57 CEnnis91 so basically just try to force make the new filesystem at the same size as the 16gb variant?
06:59 [mbm] or whatever the maximum size fastboot allows
07:00 CEnnis91 anyway to get that value or do i just need to guess and check?
07:02 [mbm] probably just guess
07:02 [mbm] although it might be based on the cdt
07:03 CEnnis91 okay, well thank you, ill try that tomorrow, now off to bed for me
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12:50 MotoActvForum yes, the name says it all... I'm setting up a forum @ motoactvforum.com to make lives of people easier...
12:51 MotoActvForum just have to get the DNS updated and stuff sorted so have patience :)
12:53 MotoActvForum It's at least a temporary solution until XDA forums open a section for Motoactv
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15:55 Snoothy Have anyone figured out how to add a bt device which isn't a headset or the phone ?
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17:35 [mbm] add it as a phone
19:19 CEnnis91 [mbm]: you around
19:20 dproldan somebody was asking for the accelerometer in the MotoACTV.   it's this one:  http://www.st.com/internet​/analog/product/250725.jsp
19:20 CEnnis91 ds2: ^
19:22 dproldan uhm,  or this one?  http://www.kionix.com/accelerom​eters/accelerometer-KXTF9.html
19:24 CEnnis91 heh
19:26 dproldan looks like both models are being probed
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22:27 [mbm] .
22:30 ClearD mbm, do you know anything about the milestone overclock module that dproldan's using to overclock his actv?
22:31 ClearD I can't seem to get it to work, any way I try it.
22:31 MotoActvForum hey
22:31 ClearD hello there
22:31 MotoActvForum Just wanted to say thank you for your great work guys!
22:32 ClearD lol I'm nowhere near the developer that these guys are, but you're welcome for my contributions
22:32 ClearD been to the new website too, will be nice I think
22:33 MotoActvForum I've been reading the 130+ pages and I'm not even half ways yet... But I decided to pitch in and launched MOTOACTVFORUM.COM as a temporary forum until XDA opens a separate section for us Motoactv hackers
22:33 MotoActvForum thanks
22:33 MotoActvForum I've been having a lot of hassle with DNS server and stuff, but it's starting to come together...
22:47 [mbm] ClearD: looked at that stuff ages ago
22:49 CEnnis91 [mbm]: so yea I was able to optimize it, should I just truncate it to the size of the other image?
22:50 ClearD [mbm]: could you look at this: http://forum.xda-developers.c​om/showthread.php?p=26019575 and what the problem could be?
22:50 ClearD or CEnnis91, if you've tried it :)
22:50 [mbm] just create the filesystem as smaller, truncating it will probably lead to corruption
22:51 CEnnis91 I checked the file the end of it is 0x00s, but the block count is still 160000 instead of 159616, so would I have to change that too? Or would that adjust from the truncated
22:51 CEnnis91 Ah okay [mbm]
22:51 CEnnis91 Cle
22:51 CEnnis91 Meh
22:52 CEnnis91 ClearD: I thought I remember seeing that the milestone over clock wasn't over locking it successful and only under locking did it
22:52 [mbm] ClearD: dproldan is usually around here
22:52 [mbm] anyway, we have kernel sources (old) no need to do everything via modules
22:54 CEnnis91 [mbm] having old kernel sources is a valid reason to go with modules IMO
22:54 ClearD alright, I thought it might work, but I think kernel OC is the only one that's worked for mine so far...
22:54 ClearD albeit with an unstable wifi module afterwards
22:54 ClearD or a completely non-working one... I can't remember which happened
22:55 ClearD anyways, long story short, I'm more interested in underclocking and/or undervolting rather than over :)
22:58 [mbm] CEnnis91: seems like a good reason to push for newer sources
23:00 ClearD better battery life is all I want lol
23:00 ClearD I figure UC/UV would be a step in the right direction
23:00 ClearD I already get around 5 days out of it or so
23:01 ClearD are you guys working on the sbf?
23:02 * [mbm] wants better battery life and accelerometer
23:03 [mbm] sbf is the old protocol, everything now uses fastboot
23:03 ClearD ah, I see
23:03 [mbm] CEnnis91 and I hacked up an fxz for fastboot/rsdlite/cwm .. not sure if CEnnis91 has posted it yet
23:03 ClearD you would know the answer to this :) what's the advantage to using the new fastboot zips you're working on for rsdlite over the existing fastboot protocol already present?
23:04 ClearD not the file, but he told me you guys were working on it :D
23:04 [mbm] same protocol, rsdlite is just a front end
23:05 [mbm] rsd uses an xml file to list the fastboot commands to be run
23:05 ClearD hmmmm
23:05 ClearD I remember flashing things for my old razr with rsdlite back in the day, but haven't touched it since
23:06 [mbm] and since neither rsd or recovery cares about the rest of the zip you can overlap them
23:06 [mbm] yeah, rsd looks the same
23:06 [mbm] 5.x added the fastboot support
23:07 ClearD oh wow, so like... one large image for the entire rom rather than individual files for each part?
23:07 [mbm] to the user a fxz zip looks exactly like an sbf even though the file formats and protocol to talk to the device is completely different
23:09 [mbm] image files for each partition, xml or updater-script to tell rsd or recovery how to flash them
23:12 ClearD interesting
23:14 [mbm] not sure if you've seen this - http://wiki.opticaldelusion.org/wiki/Motoactv
23:20 ClearD very nice, I hadn't yet :)
23:20 ClearD so is your accelerometer hack working, then?
23:21 [mbm] yep
23:21 ClearD what's it for? :)
23:22 [mbm] useful for playing android games that use tilt
23:29 ClearD ah, very true indeed
23:35 ClearD is there a way to lock the screen in its normal mode when in the launcher?
23:36 [mbm] suppose it depends on the launcher
23:36 [mbm] kinda surprised there hasn't been a push for cm
23:37 ClearD lol my friend was working on an aosp build
23:37 ClearD not sure how far that got, though
23:38 ClearD I've never been able to get a build to compile, or I'd try myself
23:38 * [mbm] more interested in improving stock
23:39 Snoothy MotoActvForum: when do you expect the forum to up and running?
23:41 MotoActvForum already up now
23:41 MotoActvForum http://motoactvforum.com/phpbb/
23:41 MotoActvForum haven't added links to it from the front page yet
23:42 MotoActvForum I'm working fast and furious :)
23:43 MotoActvForum Anyone used to being a moderator?
23:43 MotoActvForum :)
23:44 ClearD lol I am, in several places
23:45 Snoothy is the email visible on the forum?
23:50 MotoActvForum dunno yet, so far everything is default settings as of PHPBB3.0 install
23:50 MotoActvForum So you guys wanna be moderators?
23:50 MotoActvForum Could be fun =)
23:51 Snoothy you can make me moderator
23:51 MotoActvForum cool
23:56 MotoActvForum ok, you're a global moderator
23:58 ClearD I'm in

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