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IRC log for #motoactv, 2012-06-04

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04:42 krassi I have A MOTOACTV with the latest firmware. Do you know how to switch it into fastboot mode?
04:42 krassi Holding Start+Power does not seam to work
06:10 [mbm] it'll be some key and power .. there are actually two bootloader modes so make sure it says fastboot on the screen
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16:11 dproldan krassi: hold vol - and power for a few seconds
16:12 dproldan it takes longer since the last update
16:12 dproldan and it's became trickier to do it with start+power
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20:25 dproldan is it possible to apply the delta-otas from [mbm] or utkanos recoveries?
21:38 [mbm] not really
21:39 ds2 anyone here use the flick to turn on feature?
21:39 dproldan yep,  all the time
21:39 ds2 do you find it drains the battery by turning on more often then it should?
21:41 dproldan I don't think so,  it seems to come on only when I really want to,  plus the display is only on for a few seconds
21:41 ds2 what do you do during the day?
21:41 ds2 i catch it coming on quite a lot
21:43 dproldan I work with machines and computers,  not that I wave my hands a lot  :-P
21:43 ds2 hmmm that's not that different from what I do
21:44 ds2 you have it on the watch band, right?
21:44 dproldan yep
21:44 ds2 odd
21:44 ds2 battery life dropped down to a little over a 1 day (vs 2-3 days w/o it)...turned off that feature and it seems to be back to normal
21:46 dproldan I see,  I've never turned that function off,  so I can't compare
21:46 ds2 what battery life are you seeing?
21:48 dproldan about 40 hours,  notifications always on,  display to lowest setting,
21:48 ds2 what's notifications? you have it sync'ed with a phone over BT?
21:49 dproldan yes,  with the motoactv application on the phone
21:49 ds2 I see. that's pretty good
21:50 dproldan Have you already installed the lastest version?
21:51 dproldan It has a new kernel, i think
21:51 ds2 the 6.x series? no
21:51 dproldan nope,  7.x series
21:51 ds2 definitely not
21:51 ds2 are bare .img's on the wiki?
21:51 ds2 not the !@#$!@#@#$ .zip's
21:52 dproldan heh,  I used cennis stock imgs,  then upgraded with MotoCast application from windows
21:52 ds2 I don't use the MotoCast app at all
21:53 ds2 is CEnnis's img's on the wiki?
21:53 dproldan there's a link to the xda thread
21:53 ds2 which xda thread? there is 4 of them the last I checked
21:53 dproldan I can upload my images if you want,  already rooted
21:54 ds2 u got a place to upload them to that I can wget?
21:54 ds2 I still need to merge them with changes I made
21:54 dproldan http://forum.xda-developers.com/show​post.php?p=23338342&postcount=1
21:54 dproldan those are the stock
21:55 dproldan I can upload them to GDrive
21:56 dproldan don't know if wget works with that
21:56 ds2 I think that post is sufficient
21:56 dproldan but those stock imgs are two versions old
21:56 ds2 I doubt G-anything will work
21:56 ds2 oh
21:57 ds2 sigh
21:57 ds2 so much fragmentation
21:57 dproldan let's check
22:00 dproldan moto is updating this thing a lot,  no way for everybody to keep up
22:01 ds2 yes, but would be nice if our changes can be done as a patch on top of moto's stuff
22:01 ds2 the other complain is all these 'services' that just want to shove ads at you.
22:01 ds2 ads == bad. leaches.
22:04 dproldan this is boot.img    https://docs.google.com/open?i​d=0BxTLcy78OveNZDNwZTB1QlRHWHM
22:04 dproldan let me know if you get ads
22:04 ds2 think it wants me to login
22:04 ds2 wget on that doesn't work
22:05 ds2 not ideal but I am grabbing it... did system.img change?
22:05 dproldan sure
22:05 dproldan it's going to take some minutes
22:05 ds2 'k thanks.
22:06 dproldan nice thing about this version is,  they fixed the applications grid in the stock launcher
22:06 ds2 what does that mean?
22:07 ds2 I run 2 launchers...does that mean I don't have to?
22:07 dproldan now everything you install is available form the stock launcher
22:07 dproldan yep
22:07 ds2 oh nice
22:07 dproldan you only have to press "menu" button
22:07 ds2 does it allow for a home key?
22:07 [mbm] what's this about ads?
22:07 dproldan yes
22:07 dproldan nah,  ranting about gservices
22:07 ds2 [mbm]: drop box, megaupload, etc all are using it as a front for ads
22:08 ds2 google does that but I have their ad servers blocked
22:08 ds2 still don't care for the jumping through hopes to download as the machines that I want it on are headless and don't run a browser
22:08 [mbm] oh, so you have apps installed on your phones that use notifications and those get pushed to the actv?
22:08 ds2 s/hopes/hoops/
22:09 ds2 does 7.x expose a proper accel?
22:10 dproldan i get the usual sms, phone calls (even without a headset connected),  calendar notifs,  and twitter
22:10 dproldan haven't installed anything using the accelerator
22:14 dproldan anyway,  at the moment,  I'm running my MA without a second launcher,  I've modified the stock slightly for some icons that were not correctly sized,  and I'm modifiyng the stock settings to access the everything I can
22:15 dproldan At the same time,  they broke some things,  naturally
22:16 dproldan the widgets you can put in a second launcher are not kept correctly
22:16 dproldan I have troubles making the vending.apk autoupdate
22:19 ds2 how are the notifications presented if you don't have headphones and it doesn't have a vibrate motor?
22:19 dproldan white LED
22:20 dproldan And I made myself a small speaker,  with modified ringtones, I can hear them coming
22:20 ds2 I see
22:25 dproldan system.img is going to take a while,  I'm in a hotel with shitty connection
22:26 ds2 oh
22:26 ds2 no hurry
22:26 ds2 i am waiting til tonight to do any flashing
22:29 [mbm] latest on the servers is 5.7.6 which links to the 7.3 release notes
22:30 dproldan oh,
22:31 dproldan that's new
22:31 dproldan I think
22:32 dproldan June 2nd was version 7.2
22:32 [mbm] yeah, last one I remember on the server was 5.7.0
22:32 [mbm] https://rsddownload.motorola.com/download/M​OTOACTV_MR7.3_SW_Upgrade_Release_Notes.pdf
22:33 dproldan nothing different as far as I can tell
22:34 [mbm] change the url to 7.2 .. the golff thing is missing
22:35 ds2 so backup the golf apk and reinstall later
22:35 dproldan oh,  you're right
22:35 [mbm] well, actual delta still contains golf
22:35 [mbm] so I'm not sure why it was deleted from the release notes
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22:36 dproldan applies to systems that have 1.6.13,  that has no golf app,  maybe?
22:36 [mbm] CEnnis91|Mobile: 5.7.6
22:36 CEnnis91|Mobile Lol
22:36 CEnnis91|Mobile What's new
22:36 CEnnis91|Mobile Bug fixes?
22:37 [mbm] https://rsddownload.motorola.com/download/M​OTOACTV_MR7.3_SW_Upgrade_Release_Notes.pdf
22:37 [mbm] which looks almost identical to their previous release notes (change url to 7.2)
22:37 dproldan looks like the same release for non-golfers
22:37 [mbm] still tries to apply the golf patch
22:38 [mbm] ooh, found a change
22:38 dproldan but will fail because they have no golf.apk
22:38 [mbm] they nuked their SleepAnalysis app
22:39 CEnnis91|Mobile Does the update fail if no golf.apk is there?
22:39 CEnnis91|Mobile Also
22:39 [mbm] well, the assert is still there, so I'd guess so
22:39 CEnnis91|Mobile [mbm]: can I make an efi and non-efi compatible USB
22:40 dproldan did the sleep app work for you?  I tried to launch it and its service but it wouldn't work with any activity
22:40 [mbm] CEnnis91|Mobile: sure, although efi will just fall back to non-efi if it can't find the files, so might as well ignore efi
22:40 CEnnis91|Mobile Well
22:40 CEnnis91|Mobile I have a rescue USB
22:40 CEnnis91|Mobile And ma books can't find it
22:41 [mbm] dproldan: never tried; my actv is still running firmware from two months ago
22:41 CEnnis91|Mobile That's why I need to make it efi compatible
22:41 CEnnis91|Mobile From what I've seen
22:41 CEnnis91|Mobile Only researched a little however
22:42 [mbm] huh .. another change .. no more patched mbm
22:44 CEnnis91|Mobile [mbm]: so I think I meant boot able USB
22:45 [mbm] CEnnis91|Mobile: yeah I get it; same as a bootable harddisk though
22:46 ds2 do any of these new firmwares allow for mass storage + adb at the same time?
22:46 [mbm] ds2: it's just a quirk of how we're hacking these things that we don't have adb+msc
22:47 ds2 i know but has it been fixed/addressed
22:47 [mbm] oh, as I said earlier I'm still running old firmware on mine .. haven't bothered to look into it
22:47 ds2 *nod*
22:48 [mbm] there's a /dev/usb_device_mode which gets written to by usbd
22:48 CEnnis91|Mobile dproldan: have you updated to this from my 1.6.6
22:48 dproldan yep
22:48 ds2 I think I poked at it and nothing seems to happen but it might be the ancient firmware
22:48 [mbm] should write "adb_msc" to that file if I remember right
22:48 ds2 Ohhhh
22:49 [mbm] on phones there's a usb.apk that provides a notification menu for setting the mode
22:49 CEnnis91|Mobile And golf patch is applied?
22:50 CEnnis91|Mobile There was a little concern on the forum that my golf apk wasn't an update version
22:50 CEnnis91|Mobile So this is a good way to test dproldan
22:50 ds2 that doesn't do anything
22:50 [mbm] there's also another property that you can set that bypasses all the moto usb stuff and suddenly you get the stock android alien with the usb symbol on the arm
22:51 ds2 returns an error - error 16 on writes
22:51 [mbm] yeah, device in use .. you need to stop/kill the usbd service
22:51 ds2 oh
22:51 [mbm] which isn't actually usb itself, just some stupid program that monitors usb changes
22:51 ds2 that'll take more time... got to do that later then
22:51 dproldan CEnnis91|Mobile: well,  the apk in the imgs you provided are from 1.6.6,  perfectly fine
22:52 CEnnis91|Mobile does the md5 post update match?
22:53 CEnnis91|Mobile Aka file and updater script
22:53 CEnnis91|Mobile Or sha1
22:53 [mbm] why would they remove mbm.bin from the update? I can understand hidden beta testing like the sleep thing being removed, but I'm curious about mbm
22:54 [mbm] also, who do we complain to if we want newer kernel sources?
22:54 CEnnis91|Mobile [mbm]: maybe that function
22:55 CEnnis91|Mobile beats me
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23:01 dproldan they have removed something from settings.apk for Accounts manager,  now the market doesn't update,  and I can't launch AccountSyncAndSettings  (which I could do with the previous release after resigning all the system apps)
23:01 CEnnis91|Mobile all I know is moto proved my anyroot solution was worth my time
23:01 CEnnis91|Mobile Considering they update retardedly
23:02 dproldan ds2: gotta go to sleep,  will post a link to system.img when I wake up,   good night/day all
23:03 [mbm] CEnnis91|Mobile: lol
23:03 [mbm] well, now google owns moto mobile
23:04 ds2 dproldan: 'k thanks.
23:04 CEnnis91|Mobile ds2: system img for what
23:04 ds2 CEnnis91|Mobile: latest rooted system.img
23:04 ds2 5.7.3 i think
23:05 [mbm] wel, the system.img isn't the part that gets rooted
23:05 CEnnis91|Mobile ds2: just use my any root
23:06 CEnnis91|Mobile This is why I made it
23:06 [mbm] also you can just revert back to stock and run the moto update app and get the 5.7.6 I was just talking about
23:06 ds2 CEnnis91|Mobile: link?
23:06 CEnnis91|Mobile Yep
23:06 CEnnis91|Mobile Umm
23:06 ds2 no windows, so moto update is out
23:06 CEnnis91|Mobile Google "motoactv roms xda"
23:06 ds2 this whole thing started with noticing flick on seems to burn a lot of power
23:06 CEnnis91|Mobile On mobile and at work
23:06 CEnnis91|Mobile You'll find it faster that way
23:06 ds2 so it was suggested I try the latest stuff
23:07 ds2 got it, I'll look at it later (at work also)
23:07 CEnnis91|Mobile [mbm]: in any root I save he stock and rooted boot.imgs to the sdcard
23:07 [mbm] my attempts to turn on accel use in android burned a lot more power than the flick thing
23:08 CEnnis91|Mobile Think I should make an update.zip that saves the system and pre install images?
23:08 [mbm] to where?
23:08 ds2 [mbm]: I noticed my unit coming on a lot more...thought it was false detects
23:08 ds2 I don't bother with update.zip's :)
23:09 [mbm] ds2: well, the msp430 has a "motion" irq
23:09 [mbm] main cpu goes to sleep, the msp430 handles the accel/pedometer functions and when there's extensive movement it sends a motion irq to wake up the main cpu
23:10 ds2 [mbm]: yes but I was getting maybe 12hours..where as dproldan was seeing like 40 and he had bt running...biggest difference is he is using a newer kernel
23:10 ds2 *nod*
23:11 [mbm] so if they're doing anything different in newer firmwares either they've pushed a new msp430 firmware or they're ignoring the first few motion irqs
23:11 ds2 or they are doing more validations before turning on the screen
23:11 ds2 wakeup by itself isn't as bad as turning on the screen
23:12 [mbm] one of the things that annoys me is that the kenrel sources containing those wakeup functions hasn't been posted
23:12 ds2 prehaps a harshly worded GPL request should be made?
23:13 [mbm] probably
23:13 [mbm] <- lazy
23:14 [mbm] and technically, you'd need to be the copyright holder for a gpl request to carry any legal weight
23:16 ds2 don't think so
23:16 ds2 but since I am not a lawyer, I'll hush :)
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