Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #november-wiki, 2008-10-10

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06:49 masak joined #november-wiki
07:21 masak moritz_: thanks for the link to that article. it looks interesting. it's in my queue.
07:24 zarah joined #november-wiki
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10:02 ihrd joined #november-wiki
10:02 ihrd hi there
10:04 masak ihrd: hello :)
10:04 masak ihrd++
10:04 ihrd a-a-a-a
10:05 ihrd it`s work
10:05 masak :)
10:05 masak welcome.
10:05 ihrd who start to use that nickname++
10:05 masak I don't know, it's an old tradition
10:05 ihrd and dose some one calculate that?
10:05 masak karma ihrd
10:05 zarah ihrd has a karma of 1
10:05 masak you're a smart girl, zarah
10:05 zarah masak: If I'm so smart, how come you're shacked up with that other chick?
10:06 ihrd karma masak
10:06 zarah masak has a karma of 29
10:06 ihrd O!
10:06 masak been at it for a while :)
10:06 masak karma zarah
10:06 zarah zarah has a karma of 38
10:06 masak zarah++
10:06 ihrd masak++
10:06 ihrd )))
10:07 ihrd karma masak
10:07 zarah masak has a karma of 30
10:07 ihrd hm
10:07 ihrd ihrd--
10:07 ihrd karma ihrd
10:07 zarah ihrd has a karma of 0
10:07 ihrd (
10:07 masak hehe
10:07 masak you're allowed to take away karma from yourself
10:07 masak but not to add them
10:07 ihrd (
10:07 ihrd )
10:08 masak ihrd++ # here it is again
10:08 ihrd we will do PM meeting tomorrow
10:08 masak PM?
10:08 masak pmichaud?
10:08 ihrd no
10:08 masak ah, Perl Mongers
10:08 ihrd perl mongers
10:08 ihrd yep
10:08 masak aye
10:09 ihrd and our topic -- November
10:09 masak very nice :)
10:09 masak I like that topic
10:09 ihrd ))
10:09 dzema joined #november-wiki
10:09 masak do you expect people to hack on it?
10:09 masak dzema: hello.
10:09 dzema hi
10:09 ihrd not sure
10:09 zarah hi dzema
10:09 ihrd dzema++
10:09 masak dzema: related to ihrd?
10:10 dzema we are working together :)
10:10 * masak suspected that
10:10 dzema i am a founder of vladivostok.pm :)
10:10 ihrd )
10:10 masak dzema: cool.
10:10 masak I hope to be able to use November as an excuse to visit Vladivostok someday soon.
10:11 ihrd i will try to attract our PM to November hacking
10:12 ihrd O!
10:12 ihrd cool
10:12 dzema masak, in November? :0
10:12 dzema i meen :)
10:12 masak hm -- quite busy this autumn
10:12 masak but I shouldn't rule it out completely
10:13 masak it would be so much fun
10:13 masak and much can be done with extended weekends
10:13 dzema oh, *mean. my bad english :)
10:14 masak dzema: from now on, please ignore everyone's bad English, and just keep talking :)
10:15 masak we all have English as second language, no need to apologise for that
10:15 ihrd so, you can speak with Jhonathan, I hope it have fun in Vladivostok )
10:15 dzema I am waiting for Jonathan to post a long story about his trip on train from Vladivostok to Moscow :)
10:15 ihrd He in the middle right now
10:16 ihrd We worry, bat all right )
10:18 ihrd karma nickname
10:18 zarah nickname has a karma of 1
10:20 ihrd karma shared with all channels?
10:20 zarah shared with all channels? has a karma of 0
10:21 masak ihrd: indeed shared. one bot, one set of nicknames.
10:21 ihrd o. good
10:21 ihrd and what about commits?
10:21 ihrd dose bot parse it? )
10:22 ihrd I see nickname++ in many commits messages
10:22 masak ihrd: well, the bot parses anything in the channel
10:23 masak so if commits are reported to the channel (which, in the case of november, they're not) the karma changes count
10:23 masak but mostly, it's a social gesture
10:23 dzema ihrd has troubles with notebook
10:23 dzema so he can't read you posts now :)
10:24 masak :/
10:24 dzema notebook is in the process of rebooting. Ubuntu has hunged up
10:25 masak @tell ihrd well, the bot parses anything in the channel. so if commits are reported to the channel (which, in the case of november, they're not) the karma changes count. but mostly, it's a social gesture.
10:25 zarah Consider it noted.
10:26 dzema ok
10:26 masak dzema: @tell is a bot command.
10:26 dzema =)
10:27 ihrd joined #november-wiki
10:27 masak ihrd: notebook trouble?
10:27 dzema i was using IRC 2 or 3 years ago :) Remember nothing except join and using ChanServ :)
10:27 ihrd aga
10:28 zarah ihrd: You have new messages. Write '@messages' to read them.
10:28 ihrd @messages
10:28 zarah ihrd: 2 m 49 s ago, masak said well, the bot parses anything in the channel. so if commits are reported to the channel (which, in the case of november, they're not) the karma changes count. but mostly, it's a social gesture.
10:28 masak dzema: at least that's something
10:28 masak IRC++
10:28 ihrd karma IRC
10:28 zarah IRC has a karma of 1
10:30 ihrd masak: thak you. yes notebook just hang up, I see that first tiome on it
10:31 masak ihrd, dzema: if I weren't at work, with a holy oath that I will get certain things done today, I would jump at working on november, now that you're here
10:31 ihrd first time after I start to use Linux I mean
10:31 masak as things are now, I'll have to wait till the evening...
10:33 ihrd masak: ok, I try to prepare tomorrow talks. good luck at work )
10:34 masak thank you. good luck preparing the talks.
10:38 ihrd whois zarah
10:38 ihrd sorry, just miss \/
10:39 masak she's a bot I'm writing. she can do karma, message passing and project planning
10:39 masak @plan all nvm
10:39 zarah masak: nvm/mediawiki-tests: 5 h planned, 1 h 15 m elapsed
10:39 masak @start nvm/mediawiki-tests
10:39 zarah masak: Starting task 'nvm/mediawiki-tests'.
10:39 masak @stop
10:39 zarah masak: Stopping task 'nvm/mediawiki-tests'.
10:39 masak besides, she's funny :)
10:40 masak zarah: you're the funny one!
10:40 zarah masak: no, YOU are the funny one! :)
10:40 masak @help
10:40 zarah masak: avaliable commands are boo botsnack clear-messages google help hi karma messages plan replan restart seen slap start stop tell thanks unplan
10:40 masak google november wiki
10:40 zarah masak: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November
10:40 masak hehe
10:40 dzema thanks zarah
10:41 masak @thanks
10:41 zarah masak: no, YOU'RE the cute one! :)
10:41 ihrd )))
10:41 dzema i can't see consistency here =)
10:41 masak dzema: then read source. it's in Perl 5 :)
10:43 masak http://bioclipse.svn.sourceforge.n​et/viewvc/bioclipse/bot/trunk/zara​h.pl?revision=7274&view=markup
10:43 zarah masak's link is also http://tinyurl.com/3pjf25
10:43 masak zarah: dz
10:43 zarah masak: no, YOU'RE the cute one! :)
10:51 dzema why not on github?
10:51 dzema now you may import s vn repository in the new github repository easily :)
10:53 masak dzema: well, zarah is tied to my $work, and they use svn
10:55 dzema we are using git at work
10:55 masak nice.
10:56 dzema but we have some constrains cause of the way we generate DB schemas
10:57 dzema DB schemas have continuous numbers so we need to synchronize code every time someone changes DB structure
10:58 masak ah.
10:58 masak & lunch
10:59 ihrd masak: dose I understand right we stop to develope Markup::Minimal
11:01 ihrd and now we must to work on Markup::Mediawiki?
11:47 masak ihrd: something like that, yes. Markup::Minimal is the name that our first, minimal attempt at a markup engine. as far as I'm concerned, it's feature-complete.
11:48 masak I'm currently planning for making a full implementation of MediaWiki's formatter, and writing the tests while I go
11:48 masak see p6w/t/markup/mediawiki in the markup branch
11:49 masak as soon as I have links working, I'll probably merge back to master, so that we can all use MediaWiki markup
11:49 masak after that, I'll make periodic merges when new stable features emerge
11:50 masak it's a lot of work to implement the whole of MediaWiki's markup, but I also think we want it all
11:58 ihrd ok. if you dont objective I play with ::Minimal a little
11:59 ihrd I just want to implement [[link title]] syntax
12:00 masak ihrd: sure, knock yourself out :)
12:00 masak we'll have to try not to step on each others' toes
12:01 masak from your mail, I deduce that we'll at least need to rethink the design around make_link
12:01 masak it doesn't really support titles right now
12:02 masak but I think that, if one adds that as a param to make_link, that every other problem goes away
12:03 masak (btw, I'm talking about the method make_link in the class Novemeber)
12:27 masak btw, I increasingly feel the need for a test framework
12:27 masak I don't really have a concrete question, just noting that I would have use for a test harness
12:27 moritz_ tests++
12:28 masak aye
12:28 masak they rock.
12:28 masak and a harness would sort of make them stop hurting a bit
12:28 moritz_ either you can abuse prove, or you can build one yourself (with Test::Harness >= 3.0 rather easy)
12:29 moritz_ you can even make them parallel rather easily ;)
12:29 * masak will look into Test::Harness
12:29 moritz_ tools/autounfudge.pl and tools/update_passing_test_data.pl both use it
12:30 moritz_ (if you need examples)
12:30 masak I do, dz
12:31 masak zarah: thank moritz_
12:31 zarah moritz_: masak says thank you
12:31 moritz_ zarah: don't you feel abused with such mindless tasks?
12:31 zarah moritz_: that was not so easy for a little bot to understand
12:32 masak moritz_: guess that answers your question :)
12:32 moritz_ aye ;)
12:32 moritz_ bbl
12:32 masak cu
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12:40 ihrd @messages
12:40 zarah ihrd: You have no new messages.
12:40 ihrd sorry, i have relocated
12:40 masak ihrd: she will tell you if you have new messages, by the way
12:40 ihrd ok
12:41 masak @tell ihrd like this. the next time you say something, she will tell you.
12:41 zarah Consider it noted.
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13:04 ihrd brr. hi again.
13:04 zarah ihrd: You have new messages. Write '@messages' to read them.
13:04 ihrd rakudo: my $a = [1, 2]; for $a { when 1 {say "Boo"} }
13:05 p6eval rakudo 31857: RESULT[Method 'perl' not found for invocant of class 'Iterator'␤current instr.: '_block11' pc 25 (EVAL_12:12)␤]
13:05 ihrd brr
13:05 * masak believes ihrd has to use $a.values there
13:06 masak ihrd: what does "brr" mean? is it cold in Vladivostok? :)
13:06 ihrd just confusion
13:06 masak ah.
13:06 ihrd and yes, it`s cold there
13:06 masak over here, "brr" means that one is shaking from the cold
13:07 ihrd we have both definition
13:07 masak ah, ok
13:08 ihrd aboute code -- yes i just miss .values
13:08 ihrd bay the way that example works for my
13:09 ihrd what revision bot use?
13:09 ihrd last?
13:11 ihrd @messages
13:11 zarah ihrd: 30 m 49 s ago, masak said like this. the next time you say something, she will tell you.
13:12 ihrd thank you zarah
13:12 masak ihrd: the bot is updated every hour, I believe
13:12 ihrd good!
13:17 ihrd masak: do you now simple way to start all test in derictory, I have try perl6 t/*.t but it`s not work
13:18 moritz_ perhaps 'for i in t/*.t; do perl6 $i; done
13:19 masak aye
13:19 masak that's what I do
13:46 ihrd thanks
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15:52 masak @tell oh, and talking privately with zarah doesn't work yet. I've been planning to add that, but haven't gotten around to it.
15:52 zarah Consider it noted.
16:01 masak any idea how to kill a branch dead in git?
16:02 moritz_ shout DIE, DIE, DIE
16:03 moritz_ git-branch -D perhaps?
16:03 moritz_ and -r -d if you want to delete it remotely as well
16:12 masak I do.
16:13 masak -r -d didn't work, but -D did
16:37 masak which means the branch still exists @ github
16:37 masak maybe it'll even come back on the next pull...

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