Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #november-wiki, 2008-11-20

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09:07 masak joined #november-wiki
09:16 masak hello
09:16 zarah hi masak
09:18 moritz_ hi there
09:18 masak moritz_: hullo.
09:18 masak how's it going?
09:19 moritz_ reading books and papers like there's no tomorrow
09:19 masak on what? physics?
09:19 moritz_ yes
09:19 masak moritz_++
09:20 * masak is currently reading a set of speeches by Chairman Mao
09:20 moritz_ "field theories of condensed matter systems", scary stuff
09:20 masak ooh, field theories!
09:20 masak I don't know what it is, but it sounds nice.
09:21 moritz_ same here ;)
09:21 masak is a field like a space full of vectors?
09:21 moritz_ yes
09:22 masak good. I'm a believer of the Geisha Theory of conversation.
09:22 masak i.e. that's all I need to know :P
09:22 masak (for now)
09:22 moritz_ but most things I've read so far about field theory are more about algebra than about fields ;)
09:23 masak means to an end :)
09:23 moritz_ masak: what's that theory?
09:23 masak just something I just made up.
09:23 moritz_ explain
09:23 masak as I understand it, geishas were excellent conversationalists.
09:24 masak they managed this by knowing a little about everything.
09:24 masak I've always found that knowing a little about something helps open up interesting conversations.
09:25 moritz_ that's certainly right
09:27 masak moritz_: latest November news, by the way: I'm hacking away on the MediaWiki markup, Ilya is doing some cool dispatcher thing, and Johan is investigating how to do plugins.
09:27 moritz_ nice
09:28 masak yes, I think so.
09:28 masak progress on all fronts, albeit irregular.
09:28 moritz_ I've heard somebody saying that action stubs work in rakudo
09:28 moritz_ is that true?
09:28 masak moritz_: yes.
09:28 masak it surprised me as well.
09:28 moritz_ masak: are you using that? is there an example somewhere?
09:29 masak I can nopaste an example for you.
09:29 masak hold on.
09:29 * moritz_ holds on
09:30 masak http://nopaste.snit.ch/14646
09:30 masak pmichaud++
09:30 masak moritz_: allegedly, ihrd++ is using it in his dispatch branch as well. haven't looked at that, though.
09:30 moritz_ that's way cool.
09:31 masak indeed.
09:31 moritz_ "dispatch brunch" ;)
09:31 masak mm ;)
09:31 moritz_ maybe I should give HTML::Template another shot with it
09:32 masak aye, definitely.
09:32 masak but remember that we already have new-html-template
09:32 masak ...which will replace the old version after the lex horriblenesses are fixed
09:34 moritz_ my hope is that with action stubs we even get around the lex horriblenesses
09:34 masak possibly.
09:34 moritz_ because we don't need to recurse
09:34 masak I haven't got a full intuition for that.
09:34 moritz_ (which is much more elegant, hopefully)
09:34 masak maybe by passing around a bit of state, yes.
09:35 masak (possibly through $/, even)
09:37 moritz_ does rakudo do temp values yet?
09:37 masak rakudo: temp $a = 5; say $a
09:37 moritz_ rakudo: my $x = 4; temp $x; say $x
09:37 p6eval rakudo 32929: OUTPUT[Scope not found for PAST::Var '$a'␤current instr.: 'parrot;PCT;HLLCompiler;panic' pc 152 (src/PCT/HLLCompiler.pir:104)␤]
09:37 p6eval rakudo 32929: OUTPUT[Could not find non-existent sub temp␤current instr.: '_block11' pc 43 (EVAL_12:22)␤]
09:38 masak nope.
09:38 moritz_ apparently ;)
09:57 viklund ohla
09:57 masak viklund: y0
09:57 * masak is studying, hence restless
09:58 masak my studying-mate is one hour and a half late.
09:59 viklund ahh
09:59 viklund so you're doing some hacking
09:59 masak nah, just thinking about it.
09:59 viklund ;)
09:59 masak there's this speech by Mao I have to finish reading.
10:00 viklund I'm considering hacking a little bit more on the pluginsystem tomorrow morning
10:00 masak viklund++
10:00 masak looking forward to that.
10:01 viklund it is very simple to make something that could be used for the simple stuff like tags and stuff
10:01 masak cool.
10:02 masak I'm making headway in the skins department. will probably have something to show this week.
10:02 viklund might take 2 hours (plus the time it takes working around Rakudo bugs)
10:02 viklund masak++
10:06 masak viklund: yeah, the time taken working around Rakudo bugs has ruined my @plan estimates :)
10:06 masak @plan old nvm
10:06 zarah masak: nvm/mediawiki-paragraphs-and-headings: 30 m planned, 1 h 48 m elapsed
10:06 zarah masak: nvm/mediawiki-tests: 5 h planned, 2 h 31 m elapsed
10:07 masak still a bit more to do on those tests.
10:07 viklund ;)
10:09 masak @plan nvm/mediawiki-links 1h
10:09 zarah masak: Planned task 'nvm/mediawiki-links' for 1 h.
12:28 masak joined #november-wiki
12:28 masak hi
12:28 zarah hi masak
13:23 masak joined #november-wiki
20:30 masak joined #november-wiki
20:43 masak OH HAI
20:43 zarah hi masak
20:43 * masak blogs
21:16 masak @plan nvm
21:16 zarah masak: nvm/mediawiki-links: 1 h planned
21:16 masak @start mediawiki-links
21:16 zarah masak: Starting task 'nvm/mediawiki-links'.
21:58 masak @stop
21:58 zarah masak: Stopping task 'nvm/mediawiki-links' at 41 m out of 1 h (68%).
21:58 masak phew.
21:58 masak I think I have found two bugs :)
22:00 moritz_ only? ;-)
22:00 masak zarah: slap moritz_
22:00 * zarah kicks moritz_ in the fork
22:01 masak botsnack
22:01 zarah ;)
22:02 moritz_ that *hurt*
22:02 masak moritz_: sorry, I have this incontrollable urge sometimes...
22:03 moritz_ ;)
23:00 masak http://use.perl.org/~masak/journal/37914
23:00 zarah masak's link is also http://tinyurl.com/6223ka

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