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| 10:56 |
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masak joined #november-wiki |
| 11:17 |
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masak |
I might get some November tuits today. |
| 14:22 |
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ihrd joined #november-wiki |
| 14:22 |
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ihrd |
hi there! |
| 14:22 |
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masak |
ihrd: hello! |
| 14:22 |
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masak |
merry chrstmas! |
| 14:23 |
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ihrd |
merry Christmas to you :) |
| 14:23 |
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* masak |
is finishing the skin CleanAndSoft for p5w |
| 14:23 |
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ihrd |
I updated grant propose a little |
| 14:23 |
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* masak |
looks |
| 14:24 |
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ihrd |
look like whiteboard can`t escape, so I use 'x' instead of '*' |
| 14:24 |
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masak |
aye |
| 14:25 |
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ihrd |
thank you very mach for help with bio |
| 14:25 |
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masak |
np |
| 14:26 |
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masak |
I think 10$/h is reasonable too. |
| 14:26 |
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masak |
we should finalize that section. |
| 14:26 |
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masak |
then I think the application can be sent. |
| 14:26 |
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ihrd |
I fell that too bullets should be clear |
| 14:26 |
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ihrd |
A port of HTML::Template from Perl 5 A simple templating engine. |
| 14:26 |
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masak |
oh, and I'll remove the 'hooking into popular Javascript/Ajax frameworks' wording |
| 14:27 |
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masak |
better to overdeliver than to overpromise. |
| 14:27 |
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ihrd |
because HTML::Template is simple template too |
| 14:27 |
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ihrd |
Yes! |
| 14:29 |
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masak |
if perl6.ru a blog or a webzine? |
| 14:29 |
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ihrd |
So, I mean simple and perlish templates, like http://search.cpan.org/~sri/Mo[…]/Mojo/Template.pm |
| 14:29 |
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zarah |
ihrd's link is also http://tinyurl.com/9slsph |
| 14:29 |
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ihrd |
perl6.ru is a blog |
| 14:29 |
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masak |
I'll write that. |
| 14:30 |
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masak |
re: "HTML::Template"/"simple templating engine": will we do both HTML::Template and another templating engine? |
| 14:30 |
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ihrd |
(webzine? hm new word for my, but I can`t find it in dic :( ) |
| 14:30 |
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masak |
in that case, maybe we should write that. |
| 14:31 |
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masak |
ihrd: 'webzine' is a combination of the words 'web' and 'magazine', that is a magazine on the web. |
| 14:31 |
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masak |
I kinda liked that Genshi thing. I might try and port that. |
| 14:31 |
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ihrd |
Yes, I do not like HTML::Template, I want something clear and soft :) |
| 14:31 |
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masak |
ihrd: me too. |
| 14:32 |
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ihrd |
O, Genish with tree-logic |
| 14:32 |
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masak |
I think it might be a good idea to port successful frameworks to Perl 6. |
| 14:32 |
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masak |
http://genshi.edgewall.org/wiki/GenshiTutorial |
| 14:32 |
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zarah |
masak's link is also http://tinyurl.com/3caopv |
| 14:32 |
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masak |
and not only from Perl 5, but from other languages. |
| 14:32 |
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ihrd |
I like to implement simple text templates |
| 14:32 |
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masak |
...as long as they have ideas worth copying :) |
| 14:33 |
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masak |
ihrd: do you have an example? |
| 14:33 |
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ihrd |
I read that after you mail |
| 14:33 |
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ihrd |
I was posted link above |
| 14:33 |
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masak |
because I think the example under 'Basic Template Rendering' is very nice. |
| 14:34 |
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ihrd |
I have some exp with very similar template system |
| 14:34 |
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masak |
oh, good |
| 14:34 |
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ihrd |
we wright one in my company |
| 14:35 |
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masak |
Genshi seems very well liked in the Python world. |
| 14:35 |
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ihrd |
with tree-like logic |
| 14:35 |
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ihrd |
when you manipulate with nodes |
| 14:35 |
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ihrd |
but it is hard to understand for html/css coder |
| 14:36 |
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masak |
maybe. |
| 14:36 |
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ihrd |
and this is bad side |
| 14:36 |
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masak |
it need not be our default alternative. |
| 14:36 |
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ihrd |
like with XSLT too |
| 14:37 |
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ihrd |
be default Web.pm should use simplest one |
| 14:37 |
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masak |
aye. |
| 14:37 |
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masak |
I think of it as a ladder. |
| 14:37 |
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masak |
on the first rung, a very simple text templating solution. |
| 14:37 |
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masak |
on the second rung, something like a Genshi port. |
| 14:37 |
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ihrd |
but we still have two alternatives: |
| 14:38 |
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ihrd |
fist -- perlish template, when you can put perl6 expressions inside of it |
| 14:38 |
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masak |
ooh -- I like that |
| 14:39 |
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ihrd |
second -- template with very-very simple ststements, like TT, and without any ability to change content at all |
| 14:40 |
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masak |
that we more or less have already. |
| 14:40 |
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ihrd |
first is flexable, but provide way to code all-in-one style |
| 14:40 |
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masak |
aye. |
| 14:41 |
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ihrd |
that is bad for big applications |
| 14:41 |
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masak |
indeed. |
| 14:41 |
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ihrd |
when you coder start to call something from templates |
| 14:41 |
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ihrd |
that can make you crazy :) |
| 14:42 |
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masak |
aye, that sounds like the wrong direction. |
| 14:42 |
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ihrd |
but mb that is not so bad for Web.pm :) |
| 14:42 |
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ihrd |
I mean -- perlish template |
| 14:42 |
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ihrd |
not that style |
| 14:42 |
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masak |
I suggest we provide two or three standard solutions, or increasing power and complexity. |
| 14:43 |
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masak |
maybe pure HTML with Perl 6 blocks is the lowest. |
| 14:43 |
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masak |
OTOH, maybe that won't be needed, and a HTML::Template-like solution is preferable. |
| 14:44 |
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masak |
(I say "HTML::Template-like" because I basically don't like the way the templates look in HTML::Template.) |
| 14:44 |
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ihrd |
HTML::Template good only for people who just know it |
| 14:44 |
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masak |
yes. I think we can do better. |
| 14:44 |
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masak |
at least syntax-wise. |
| 14:45 |
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ihrd |
oh yes, I relly dislike <THAT_STYLE too |
| 14:45 |
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masak |
in an XML-aware world, it's really bad to have syntax like that. |
| 14:45 |
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masak |
just think, our template files in November would have been valid XML if not for the template tags! |
| 14:45 |
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ihrd |
we can make simple template sistem when you can turn perl6 expresion |
| 14:46 |
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ihrd |
so, be default you can use it |
| 14:46 |
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ihrd |
but if you app grow you can turn off that |
| 14:46 |
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masak |
ihrd: yes. exactly. |
| 14:46 |
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ihrd |
and use strict, simple templete statements only |
| 14:46 |
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ihrd |
good, I like that way |
| 14:46 |
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masak |
anyway, I like that we're already in the concrete planning stages. I think this will be a good project, grant or no grant. |
| 14:48 |
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ihrd |
yes |
| 14:48 |
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ihrd |
I init git rep for Maya |
| 14:48 |
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masak |
maybe one could surround the Perl 6 code with <?perl ... ?>-type processing instructions. |
| 14:48 |
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masak |
ihrd: you did, or you will? |
| 14:48 |
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ihrd |
we can do that for Web.pm right now |
| 14:49 |
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masak |
ihrd: yes, good idea. |
| 14:49 |
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ihrd |
I did |
| 14:49 |
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masak |
ihrd++ |
| 14:49 |
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masak |
my plan for today is to finalize the CleanAndSoft skin for p5w, and look at porting it to p6w. |
| 14:49 |
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masak |
it's a lot of repetitive work :/ |
| 14:50 |
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ihrd |
I was starting too make templete more DRY, so mb not so :) |
| 14:50 |
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masak |
ihrd: so basically, what we want is not "A port of HTML::Template", but something nicer. :) |
| 14:51 |
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masak |
ihrd: yes, DRY is what's needed in p5w now too. |
| 14:51 |
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ihrd |
I think we should provide HTML::Template too |
| 14:51 |
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ihrd |
but I do not like idea to use it be default |
| 14:51 |
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masak |
very well. |
| 14:51 |
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ihrd |
and look forward to create better one |
| 14:52 |
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masak |
I'll write that. |
| 14:53 |
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masak |
time to eat here. |
| 14:53 |
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ihrd |
Do you creating Web.pm rep on github or you |
| 14:53 |
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masak |
I'll be back in an hour or so. |
| 14:53 |
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ihrd |
like to my do that? |
| 14:53 |
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ihrd |
o, ok |
| 14:53 |
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ihrd |
bb |
| 14:54 |
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masak |
ihrd: let's wait a bit before creating the Web.pm repo. |
| 14:54 |
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ihrd |
because I go to sleep ~hour |
| 14:54 |
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masak |
see you later |
| 14:54 |
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ihrd |
okay |
| 16:04 |
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* masak |
is back |
| 16:15 |
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ihrd |
masak: look like I found rakudobug |
| 16:16 |
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ihrd |
rakudo: my %h; %h<one><two> = 1; |
| 16:16 |
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p6eval |
rakudo 34381: OUTPUT«Method 'postcircumfix:{ }' not found for invocant of class 'Failure'current instr.: 'postcircumfix:{ }' pc 1792 (src/classes/Associative.pir:77)» |
| 16:16 |
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ihrd |
I trying to found words for rakudobug subject now |
| 16:16 |
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ihrd |
'can`t vivify two or more dimensional hashes' |
| 16:17 |
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ihrd |
but that is looks bad |
| 16:17 |
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ihrd |
mb you know how to say that better? |
| 16:18 |
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masak |
'Rakudo doesn't understand autovivification of multiple hash indices' |
| 16:19 |
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ihrd |
thank you! |
| 16:19 |
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masak |
np |
| 16:19 |
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masak |
I'll go offline a bit again, so I can take the computer closer to where the family is. |
| 16:19 |
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masak |
will try to find time to come online later today, hopefully with some November commits. |
| 16:59 |
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