Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #november-wiki, 2009-06-02

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11:11 masak viklund: by the way, did you see that I wrote some tests for Hitomi?
11:12 viklund yep
11:12 viklund I'm going to check those out soonish
11:13 masak nice.
11:13 masak I'll start by reading up on the Genshi source, and then I'll start hacking, too.
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19:47 lichtkind viklund: do you know %TOC% in TWiki?
19:48 lichtkind it generates a table of content
19:48 lichtkind viklund: just look at http://wiki.perl-community.de/cgi-bin/fos​wiki/view/Wissensbasis/Perl6TutorialTeil7
19:48 zarah lichtkind's link is also http://tinyurl.com/prshjo
19:48 viklund ahh, that's useful
19:48 viklund I know mediawiki also has it
19:49 viklund maybe a plugin should do that...
19:49 viklund need to implement that pluginsystem someday
19:49 lichtkind but please give a possibility that the main topic doesnt appear in the table of content
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19:49 lichtkind masak: cheers
19:49 masak lichtkind: hello.
19:49 lichtkind masak: masak im in :)
19:49 masak lichtkind: cool!
19:49 viklund o/
19:50 masak \o
19:50 viklund almost like pong...
19:50 lichtkind maybe i make you sad because i will have lot of questions
19:50 masak lichtkind: why would that make me sad? :)
19:50 masak lichtkind: I already know that November needs a lot of work...
19:50 masak it's certainly not a full-featured wiki.
19:51 lichtkind no i mean it more in a way that if i write in the nov wiki i like to have some knoweldge so i have a lot of question
19:52 viklund if you just write as if it's mediawiki, most of it should work
19:52 lichtkind viklund: what you mean by that?
19:52 viklund I might have misunderstood your question
19:52 viklund what was it?
19:53 masak lichtkind: you're welcome to ask about details of the November wiki. just go ahead.
19:54 masak I would just like to warn that since I'm on neighbournet, I might drop out unexpectedly. but not to worry, I will still be completely unharmed in real life.
19:59 lichtkind another desighn fault:     * Back to Main Page    * Recent Changes    * Log out
20:00 lichtkind these 3 topics are cluched together
20:00 lichtkind looking like one sentence
20:00 * masak checks
20:02 masak lichtkind: yes, indeed. it would be nicer if there were some divisions between them.
20:03 masak in my defense, I didn't add the first two of those. I only figured that "Log in" and "Log out" should be in that corner.
20:03 lichtkind just a bit space would be good
20:03 masak but now that I look at it with fresh eyes, I think that all those options should be in the menu to the right instead.
20:03 lichtkind in deed the other 2 function can hve a nebu on left like the other menu there
20:04 masak lichtkind: patches welcome.
20:04 lichtkind nah i really have an overload on things i want to do
20:04 masak that's ok too. :)
20:09 lichtkind maybe first i will brake the intro text into parts into their own lemmas and write a decent welcome text
20:10 lichtkind the yphe is that november is the fearst usable p6app , the examples are just small scripts
20:10 lichtkind or would you disagree
20:11 masak I'm not sure what you mean.
20:11 masak but I would suggest that you leave the main page as it is for now, and work on some other page. after that, we can talk about moving content.
20:13 lichtkind yes i can park it firstly under another lemma but the way wiki work that you have spezific content under a  distinguished topic so you can link and not repeat
20:14 lichtkind and i have the feel the text is there could be broken up into several pages
20:14 lichtkind the basic idea is to move to which content interests me
20:14 lichtkind but i started yesterday do sort ideas
20:15 lichtkind viklund: btw i will be in lissabon to give talk how to write in wikis :)
20:15 masak lichtkind: I'm filled with expectation about what you will come up with.
20:15 masak lichtkind: in essence, you're our first real end user. :)
20:15 lichtkind :)
20:16 lichtkind masak: im sometimes not as well informed as moritz but i know how to write :)
20:16 masak that's good.
20:16 lichtkind viklund: http://yapceurope2009.org/ye2009/talk/1890
20:16 zarah lichtkind's link is also http://tinyurl.com/qojfpv
20:16 viklund nice
20:17 masak zarah: thank you.
20:17 zarah you're welcome, masak :)
20:19 masak lichtkind: since you know how to write, I'm sure you'll appreciate the following changes in the talk description: s/lot o/lot of/, s/Thatswhy/That's why/
20:22 lichtkind masak: it was wrote in fast
20:24 masak lichtkind: fortunately, it can be changed after the fact.
20:25 lichtkind masak: yes i just needed new password because i didnt even know which was my userid
20:26 masak I see.
20:26 lichtkind your right thtaswhy is only in german one word
20:26 lichtkind or its possible in english too?
20:26 masak no.
20:28 lichtkind masak: oh, now its changed, there were some typos more :)
20:28 masak oki. :)
20:35 lichtkind im very sleepy now i will show you before posting
21:20 viklund masak: There's Hitomi::Stream and Hitomi::MarkupTemplate, how do these fit together. somtimes both sometimes only MT?
21:21 masak viklund: I don't know if I'll keep those types. I'll have to research Genshi a bit more.
21:21 masak but the Stream thing seems like a good idea to me.
21:21 viklund *sigh*
21:21 masak viklund: you'll notice that I _do_ use both in all tests, though.
21:21 masak I just don't always mention the Hitomi::Stream by name.
21:22 masak (so there's nothing inconsistent going on, if that was your question.)
21:23 viklund so the test-suite is likely to change then\
21:23 masak most likely.
21:23 masak I can almost guarantee it. :)
21:24 masak especially since it has the additional restriction that Tene's Hitomi HLL should be able to run it.
21:24 lichtkind may question still stands (shower woke me up) would you both agree that november is the first real perl 6 app?
21:24 viklund oh well, but I like that you are passing the variables by name instead of grabbing them from the current scope
21:25 masak we might have to make some sort of abstraction layer for the tests to make that work.
21:25 viklund Tene's?
21:25 masak viklund: yes, that turned out to be what Genshi does.
21:25 masak viklund: yes, the plan is that I write the Perl 6 half, and Tene writes the HLL half of Hitomi.
21:26 masak lichtkind: depends on what you mean by 'first', 'real' and 'app'.
21:26 viklund masak: please remind me what HLL is?
21:26 masak viklund: it's Parrot slang for 'Higher Level Language'.
21:26 masak i.e. a compiler on top o' Parrot.
21:26 masak with its own namespace, etc.
21:27 viklund ok, and you code in HLL to optimize...
21:27 lichtkind masak for enduser and a bit larger then some k
21:27 masak viklund: yes.
21:27 masak lichtkind: would you count Elf as a real app? it's written in Perl 6.
21:27 masak and it was written before November.
21:27 lichtkind masak: its not for enduser :)
21:27 masak lichtkind: and how about STD.pm?
21:28 lichtkind its a module :)
21:28 PerlJam There are no real perl6 apps :)
21:28 masak lichtkind: you can see how I might not agree to your claim, though. :)
21:28 masak lichtkind: I've never claimed that November is the first real end-user app.
21:28 masak lichtkind: maybe I will, now that we have you as an end user. :P
21:28 lichtkind PerlJam: but i thought a wiki is something for enduser :)
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