Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #november-wiki, 2009-06-04

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13:45 lichtkind why was november down?
13:46 viklund I cleaned up my directory on feather, the skins directory were symlinked to an old copy of november that I didn't think was used foranything...
13:49 lichtkind viklund: i got internal server error when i tried to create a new page
13:50 lichtkind The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
13:50 lichtkind and so on
13:51 lichtkind thats the crux with having users :)
13:54 viklund yes, the reason was I had *misstakanely* removed the skins directory...
13:57 lichtkind so give me ping when thats fixed i move in town now
14:00 viklund its fixed
14:00 viklund since this morning
14:00 viklund (or at least worked again this morning)
14:01 viklund might have crashed again though
14:01 viklund no, it works
14:01 viklund lichtkind: pingeling
14:01 lichtkind :)
14:02 lichtkind viklund: no i still get internal error
14:03 lichtkind when i save the new created page
14:03 viklund hmm, didnt know about thet
14:03 * viklund checks
14:03 lichtkind or he maybe couldnt create the page
14:04 lichtkind because you everytime get this page iy you want to look at some nonexisting page
14:04 lichtkind a nice disclaimer would also be good
14:04 viklund ahh
14:06 viklund now I get the error and I've found the new pages in the storage...
14:06 viklund hmm,
14:06 lichtkind viklund: what also bugs me that even when i hover the edit button i see it like to call the command: http://november-wiki.org/edit/Action%20Not%20found
14:06 zarah lichtkind's link is also http://tinyurl.com/ouvgat
14:07 viklund huh?
14:07 viklund strange
14:07 lichtkind i think there is the root problem
14:07 lichtkind cu i have relally to move
14:07 viklund I went to the nonexistent page  http://november-wiki.org/view/FooBar
14:08 zarah viklund's link is also http://tinyurl.com/pmr9vq
14:08 viklund And when I hover over the edit button I get http://november-wiki.org/edit/FooBar
14:08 zarah viklund's link is also http://tinyurl.com/po383d
14:08 viklund what do you get?
14:09 viklund I know...
14:09 viklund try to relogin now...
14:09 viklund that might do smth...
14:13 viklund lichtkind: you know what, I will look into this tonight, and then I mean night, I don't really have time now, thanks for discovering this...
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21:04 lichtkind viklund: are you back?
21:18 viklund lichtkind: now I am
21:18 lichtkind good
21:18 viklund im going to look into it now
21:18 lichtkind maybe we get something doen :)
21:19 viklund yes, but I need to reboot, just a mom
21:19 lichtkind im prepared to fight some bugs
21:19 lichtkind im german :)
21:19 viklund I've noticed that ;)
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21:22 viklund right, now I can start
21:24 lichtkind good
21:24 lichtkind so my problem was i wanted to create a page: "Perl_6"
21:24 lichtkind but i cant press edit
21:24 viklund yes
21:25 viklund I'm on that one
21:26 viklund hmm
21:28 lichtkind what?
21:29 viklund might have found what it is...
21:30 viklund nope
21:31 viklund I get the error: 'method format not found for incocant of class Str'
21:31 viklund but format is only used once that I can see...
21:32 viklund ahh, edited in the wrong checkout...
21:32 viklund for some reason I have checked november out in several places on the server...
21:35 viklund try now!
21:35 viklund lichtkind: I think that at least works...
21:36 lichtkind viklund: can you tell what went wrong?
21:36 viklund hmm, we really need to patch this up
21:36 viklund Previously we had pluggable markups
21:36 lichtkind ehats this?
21:36 viklund it was configured via a string
21:36 viklund oh, you could choose if you wanted MediaWiki style markup or some other kind
21:36 viklund we have 2
21:36 lichtkind i like this /edit ... /view url syntax
21:37 viklund ;)
21:37 viklund it's ihrd++
21:37 lichtkind whats this?
21:37 viklund ihrd? He's a programmer from Vladivostok.
21:37 lichtkind im fluent in mediawiki and twiki and podwiki syntax
21:37 lichtkind ahh
21:38 viklund anyway, we had a string that was $markup = "Text::...::MediaWiki"
21:38 viklund then we did $markup.new()
21:38 viklund and that worked on an earlier rakudo, but apparently that was a bug
21:38 viklund now it's not pluggable in that sense anymore, might implement it as a role instead...
21:39 lichtkind im pretty excited to build a good wiki because in perl 6 you cant implement something fast and i know what i need :)
21:39 viklund Wiki does MediaWikiMarkup or smth...
21:39 viklund I didn't understand you there...
21:40 lichtkind viklund: i said i pretty heavy wiki user and know therfore what would easy things
21:40 viklund ah
21:40 viklund lichtkind: are you doing anything now, we seem to have some problems with the Perl6 and Perl_6 pages, I'm thinking of removing them
21:40 lichtkind viklund: i am main editor of perl related things in german wikipedia
21:41 viklund are you ok with that
21:41 Tene where is zarah?
21:41 lichtkind remove them
21:41 Tene :( no more zarah
21:41 viklund *gone*
21:41 lichtkind viklund: there are also some things wikiweise did right you could borg into your system
21:42 viklund Tene: Yes, that's a pitty
21:42 viklund wikiweise??
21:42 lichtkind viklund: its a german wikipedia spinoff with java based software
21:42 lichtkind viklund: http://www.wikiweise.de/
21:43 viklund Besser zu Wissen!
21:43 viklund ahh
21:43 lichtkind :)
21:43 lichtkind means better to know :)
21:43 viklund That much german I understand
21:43 lichtkind good
21:44 viklund lichtkind: are there any other problems that are imediate stoppers right now?
21:44 lichtkind mom  i try again to create a page
21:48 lichtkind viklund: i get another Internal Server Error when try to save
21:48 viklund save what page
21:48 viklund hmm
21:48 lichtkind Perl_6
21:48 viklund strange...
21:49 viklund hmm
21:49 viklund ah, if I turn of caching everything will break ;)
21:49 viklund that's why MainPage works
21:49 viklund hehe
21:50 lichtkind i also tried Perl but that also doesnt save
21:50 viklund I updated rakudo and parrot on the server...
21:50 viklund you won't be able to view a page right now that's not already in the cache...
21:51 lichtkind k
21:53 viklund hmm
21:57 viklund lichtkind: I think the problem has to do with certain characters, like non ascii or smth...
21:57 viklund I shortened the Perl_6 article to only the first part, and now it renders
21:57 viklund I'm going to make another test before I'm certain
21:59 lichtkind viklund: but the first version was simply copy of the main page
21:59 lichtkind so it should be work
21:59 viklund not necessarily...
22:00 viklund I've updated rakudo you know...
22:01 viklund Actually, in the source of that one we have used "— Larry Wall"
22:02 viklund it is an encoding problem somewhere, I don't know exactly what it is though
22:03 lichtkind why you have problems with encoding i thougt perl 6 is utf by default
22:04 viklund ahh, but we don't seem to speak the same encoding somewhere
22:04 viklund I don't know how these things work that well
22:05 viklund HA!
22:06 viklund dang
22:07 lichtkind ???
22:08 viklund I thought I could do it
22:08 viklund It might have something to do with how we parse the request string, we might do a silent assumption there that it's ascii or something...
22:09 viklund that's the best explanation I have at the moment...
22:09 viklund I can reproduce your exact error by the way
22:09 viklund lesson is: for now, stay away from anything not in ascii, if you want do do that fancy long - use —
22:09 lichtkind i can wait  a week and translate the perl 6 tut i put yesterday online
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22:10 viklund oh, you can probably put most stuff up, just not things with long dashes in them ;)
22:11 lichtkind what are long dashes?
22:11 viklund oh, the - you see before Larry Wall on the main page for example
22:14 lichtkind the only 2 spot where i see larry  ist after " -- "
22:14 viklund yes, that's the dashes
22:15 lichtkind the minuses?
22:15 viklund if you want to call them that, yes
22:15 viklund (I prefer to use the word dash, minus is for math)
22:16 lichtkind why make there a problem?
22:16 viklund the dash on the main page is a unicode character
22:16 viklund 3 bytes
22:17 lichtkind isnt dash in ASCII ?
22:17 viklund the short dash, yes
22:17 viklund but not that long one
22:17 viklund There are several different dashes you know
22:17 viklund and a long one is a " says " dash
22:17 viklund (I guess)
22:18 lichtkind ah i understand
22:20 lichtkind thanks
23:24 lichtkind viklund: please look if i type http://november-wiki.org/Perl
23:24 lichtkind then hover over the menu
23:24 lichtkind the "this page" menu
23:26 lichtkind also when entering http://november-wiki.org/view/Perl why do internal server error when a page "do you wnat to edit?" would be nicerß

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