Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #november-wiki, 2009-06-12

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11:32 viklund_ how do you like the utf8 handling?
11:32 viklund_ it's a pitty we can't use subst, or concatenation...
11:32 viklund_ masak...
11:32 * masak perks up
11:32 masak we can't?
11:33 viklund_ no, that's the parrot bug
11:33 masak because of the Parrot bug?
11:33 masak ah, ok.
11:33 viklund_ yep
11:33 masak but people are fixing it, right?
11:33 viklund_ masak: yes
11:33 masak good.
11:33 viklund_ so I write an array to a file (because the output layer knows how to convert from latin-1 to utf8)
11:33 masak viklund_++
11:34 masak that's a nice solution.
11:34 masak hijacking the file I/O for encoding.
11:34 viklund_ pmichaud++ called it a nasty hack in #parrot
11:34 masak um, transcoding.
11:34 masak well, it is.
11:34 viklund_ it's not nasty
11:34 masak still, probably the best we can do.
11:34 masak very much in the spirit of the rest of the November project. :)
11:35 viklund_ or, rather, we did nastier things with rakudo last summer
11:35 viklund_ I want to write an IRC-bot in p6 that reports commits from github
11:36 masak viklund_: good idea. just make it really non-intrusive.
11:36 viklund_ smth like dalek I thought
11:36 masak 'Matt-W pushed to http://github.com/Matt-W/Form'
11:36 masak something like that.
11:36 zarah masak's link is also http://tinyurl.com/ndyqu5
11:37 masak I think individual commit messages might be a bit too verbose for all of github's Perl 6 projects.
11:37 viklund_ anyway, now Alva and I am going out
11:37 masak enjoy the outside!
11:37 viklund_ /afk
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13:29 lichtkind moin
13:29 zarah privet lichtkind
13:29 lichtkind hello zarah
13:30 lichtkind viklund: why ther is fixed width
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13:41 viklund lichtkind: fixed width?
13:41 lichtkind viklund THE TEXTAREA of november has fixed width
13:42 * viklund checks
13:43 viklund lichtkind: do you have any problems with that?
13:44 * viklund checks on his bigger screen
13:44 lichtkind its sometimes not practicel when topic "Articles with tag "november" " needes 3 lines
13:44 lichtkind and articles are longer then needed even if it has a stylish plus
13:45 viklund ah, I thought you meant the <textarea>, not the central column
13:45 lichtkind yes the column
13:46 viklund One solution woud be to make the text smaller as well...
13:47 viklund anyway, that's a design issue, masak is in charge of the skins, I only fix bugs in them
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13:53 lichtkind good
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21:30 lichtkind viklund: what excites you about perl 6
23:02 viklund lichtkind: everything
23:02 lichtkind hm?
23:02 viklund the grammar engine is high up there
23:02 lichtkind prettymuch
23:02 viklund uhm, gather/take is amazing
23:03 lichtkind the new rx syntax you mean?
23:03 viklund a real OO environment
23:03 viklund not engine
23:03 viklund the entire grammar system
23:03 viklund how parsing has entered the next level with that enhancement
23:04 viklund hypers are pretty convenient.
23:04 lichtkind im currently starting a nov page about the p6 interpreter
23:04 viklund oh, calling $s>>.method is cool too
23:04 lichtkind i first dezentralize the content before writing a new welcome page
23:04 viklund like <a b c d>>>.uc
23:05 lichtkind you mean @s>>.method?
23:05 viklund lichtkind: maybe you should keep the first page very much as it is for the moment
23:05 viklund lichtkind: yes, that too
23:11 lichtkind why hyper in   $s>>.method if in $s is only one object
23:12 lichtkind viklund no stress it will need bit time but the current welcome page has some disadvantages
23:20 viklund my $s = <a b c d>; say $s>>.uc
23:21 viklund or even my $s = <a b c d>; $s>>.uc>>.perl>>.say
23:21 lichtkind f cource but thats how i understood it i thought i overlooked something
23:21 lichtkind viklund: you werent arounf when we set some goals for the november wontent
23:22 lichtkind better i intiate you in that plan
23:22 viklund ahh
23:23 viklund who are we?
23:27 lichtkind masak mberens and i :)
23:29 viklund ok
23:32 lichtkind viklund: when i tried second edit this page locked http://november-wiki.org/view/Perl_6_Interpreter
23:32 zarah lichtkind's link is also http://tinyurl.com/lz4hmw
23:32 lichtkind Internal Server Error
23:32 lichtkind i think my biggest challenge is now to have no preview button
23:34 lichtkind viklund: the plan for november was to have en newbie friendly entry point into the perl 6 worl
23:34 lichtkind where everything important is explained simply in shot sentences
23:34 lichtkind and linked to where real action is
23:34 lichtkind because tpf wiki is somewhat unapproiachable by beginners
23:35 lichtkind it more data marketplace
23:35 lichtkind for perl 6 people themself
23:35 lichtkind i created nearly the whole perl namespace in german wikipedia
23:36 lichtkind so i have little bit xp in something like that
23:36 lichtkind also written 8 part perl 6 tut in german for $foo :)
23:37 lichtkind viklund: there is another bug still present i once reported
23:37 viklund lichtkind: did you put newlines at the end of the text again ;)
23:37 lichtkind the link on the perl 6 tag produces^http://november-wiki.org/all?tag=perl+%20+6
23:37 zarah lichtkind's link is also http://tinyurl.com/l4ls3l
23:38 lichtkind viklund it might be isnt that already fixed?
23:38 lichtkind yes i did because this article ist finished
23:39 viklund but it crashes if you do ;)
23:39 viklund maybe I should add som chomping...
23:40 lichtkind there is no reason that it crashes :)
23:40 viklund it is
23:40 lichtkind no good one :)
23:40 viklund anyway, the tags are not a high priority yet
23:40 lichtkind of course
23:40 lichtkind are you like that goal for november?
23:42 viklund I didn't understand your question
23:43 viklund lichtkind: now you can end a page with newlines if you want...
23:43 lichtkind thank you very much
23:44 lichtkind its really fixed or workaround?
23:45 viklund uhm, don't know really
23:46 viklund it works now
23:46 viklund hard to classify that onw
23:46 viklund one*
23:46 lichtkind viklund have i know commit bit?
23:46 viklund no, right, what was you github id? lichtkind??
23:46 lichtkind yes
23:47 * viklund fixes
23:47 lichtkind as you see in your request tracker
23:47 viklund yes, I remembered when I pushed enter
23:47 lichtkind :)
23:47 lichtkind but whats important to me
23:47 lichtkind whats your thought for my november conent vision
23:48 viklund fixed
23:48 viklund none really, I just code ;)
23:50 lichtkind i think its reasonable because rakudo is not too fast so we cant load too much text on it
23:50 lichtkind and so you have also nice cooperation with perl 6 tpf wiki without too much doubling
23:51 viklund its no problem having lots of text really, we cache the parsed text
23:52 viklund it only make *edits* slow ;)
23:52 viklund since that's when we parse
23:54 lichtkind then preview would help :)
23:54 viklund oh, that won't save you any time ;p
23:54 viklund it still needs to be parsed ;)
23:55 lichtkind no but shorten history
23:55 viklund ah
23:55 lichtkind i think it would help perl 6 to have a nice beginner friendly intro
23:56 lichtkind now whenrakudo becomes really usable
23:57 viklund probably, yes
23:58 lichtkind so naovember can serve 2 purposes
23:59 viklund yes

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