IRC log for #november-wiki, 2009-06-12

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11:32	viklund_	how do you like the utf8 handling?
11:32	viklund_	it's a pitty we can't use subst, or concatenation...
11:32	viklund_	masak...
11:32	* masak	perks up
11:32	masak	we can't?
11:33	viklund_	no, that's the parrot bug
11:33	masak	because of the Parrot bug?
11:33	masak	ah, ok.
11:33	viklund_	yep
11:33	masak	but people are fixing it, right?
11:33	viklund_	masak: yes
11:33	masak	good.
11:33	viklund_	so I write an array to a file (because the output layer knows how to convert from latin-1 to utf8)
11:33	masak	viklund_++
11:34	masak	that's a nice solution.
11:34	masak	hijacking the file I/O for encoding.
11:34	viklund_	pmichaud++ called it a nasty hack in #parrot
11:34	masak	um, transcoding.
11:34	masak	well, it is.
11:34	viklund_	it's not nasty
11:34	masak	still, probably the best we can do.
11:34	masak	very much in the spirit of the rest of the November project. :)
11:35	viklund_	or, rather, we did nastier things with rakudo last summer
11:35	viklund_	I want to write an IRC-bot in p6 that reports commits from github
11:36	masak	viklund_: good idea. just make it really non-intrusive.
11:36	viklund_	smth like dalek I thought
11:36	masak	'Matt-W pushed to http://github.com/Matt-W/Form'
11:36	masak	something like that.
11:36	zarah	masak's link is also http://tinyurl.com/ndyqu5
11:37	masak	I think individual commit messages might be a bit too verbose for all of github's Perl 6 projects.
11:37	viklund_	anyway, now Alva and I am going out
11:37	masak	enjoy the outside!
11:37	viklund_	/afk
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13:29	lichtkind	moin
13:29	zarah	privet lichtkind
13:29	lichtkind	hello zarah
13:30	lichtkind	viklund: why ther is fixed width
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13:41	viklund	lichtkind: fixed width?
13:41	lichtkind	viklund THE TEXTAREA of november has fixed width
13:42	* viklund	checks
13:43	viklund	lichtkind: do you have any problems with that?
13:44	* viklund	checks on his bigger screen
13:44	lichtkind	its sometimes not practicel when topic "Articles with tag "november" " needes 3 lines
13:44	lichtkind	and articles are longer then needed even if it has a stylish plus
13:45	viklund	ah, I thought you meant the <textarea>, not the central column
13:45	lichtkind	yes the column
13:46	viklund	One solution woud be to make the text smaller as well...
13:47	viklund	anyway, that's a design issue, masak is in charge of the skins, I only fix bugs in them
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13:53	lichtkind	good
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21:30	lichtkind	viklund: what excites you about perl 6
23:02	viklund	lichtkind: everything
23:02	lichtkind	hm?
23:02	viklund	the grammar engine is high up there
23:02	lichtkind	prettymuch
23:02	viklund	uhm, gather/take is amazing
23:03	lichtkind	the new rx syntax you mean?
23:03	viklund	a real OO environment
23:03	viklund	not engine
23:03	viklund	the entire grammar system
23:03	viklund	how parsing has entered the next level with that enhancement
23:04	viklund	hypers are pretty convenient.
23:04	lichtkind	im currently starting a nov page about the p6 interpreter
23:04	viklund	oh, calling $s>>.method is cool too
23:04	lichtkind	i first dezentralize the content before writing a new welcome page
23:04	viklund	like <a b c d>>>.uc
23:05	lichtkind	you mean @s>>.method?
23:05	viklund	lichtkind: maybe you should keep the first page very much as it is for the moment
23:05	viklund	lichtkind: yes, that too
23:11	lichtkind	why hyper in $s>>.method if in $s is only one object
23:12	lichtkind	viklund no stress it will need bit time but the current welcome page has some disadvantages
23:20	viklund	my $s = <a b c d>; say $s>>.uc
23:21	viklund	or even my $s = <a b c d>; $s>>.uc>>.perl>>.say
23:21	lichtkind	f cource but thats how i understood it i thought i overlooked something
23:21	lichtkind	viklund: you werent arounf when we set some goals for the november wontent
23:22	lichtkind	better i intiate you in that plan
23:22	viklund	ahh
23:23	viklund	who are we?
23:27	lichtkind	masak mberens and i :)
23:29	viklund	ok
23:32	lichtkind	viklund: when i tried second edit this page locked http://november-wiki.org/view/Perl_6_Interpreter
23:32	zarah	lichtkind's link is also http://tinyurl.com/lz4hmw
23:32	lichtkind	Internal Server Error
23:32	lichtkind	i think my biggest challenge is now to have no preview button
23:34	lichtkind	viklund: the plan for november was to have en newbie friendly entry point into the perl 6 worl
23:34	lichtkind	where everything important is explained simply in shot sentences
23:34	lichtkind	and linked to where real action is
23:34	lichtkind	because tpf wiki is somewhat unapproiachable by beginners
23:35	lichtkind	it more data marketplace
23:35	lichtkind	for perl 6 people themself
23:35	lichtkind	i created nearly the whole perl namespace in german wikipedia
23:36	lichtkind	so i have little bit xp in something like that
23:36	lichtkind	also written 8 part perl 6 tut in german for $foo :)
23:37	lichtkind	viklund: there is another bug still present i once reported
23:37	viklund	lichtkind: did you put newlines at the end of the text again ;)
23:37	lichtkind	the link on the perl 6 tag produces^http://november-wiki.org/all?tag=perl+%20+6
23:37	zarah	lichtkind's link is also http://tinyurl.com/l4ls3l
23:38	lichtkind	viklund it might be isnt that already fixed?
23:38	lichtkind	yes i did because this article ist finished
23:39	viklund	but it crashes if you do ;)
23:39	viklund	maybe I should add som chomping...
23:40	lichtkind	there is no reason that it crashes :)
23:40	viklund	it is
23:40	lichtkind	no good one :)
23:40	viklund	anyway, the tags are not a high priority yet
23:40	lichtkind	of course
23:40	lichtkind	are you like that goal for november?
23:42	viklund	I didn't understand your question
23:43	viklund	lichtkind: now you can end a page with newlines if you want...
23:43	lichtkind	thank you very much
23:44	lichtkind	its really fixed or workaround?
23:45	viklund	uhm, don't know really
23:46	viklund	it works now
23:46	viklund	hard to classify that onw
23:46	viklund	one*
23:46	lichtkind	viklund have i know commit bit?
23:46	viklund	no, right, what was you github id? lichtkind??
23:46	lichtkind	yes
23:47	* viklund	fixes
23:47	lichtkind	as you see in your request tracker
23:47	viklund	yes, I remembered when I pushed enter
23:47	lichtkind	:)
23:47	lichtkind	but whats important to me
23:47	lichtkind	whats your thought for my november conent vision
23:48	viklund	fixed
23:48	viklund	none really, I just code ;)
23:50	lichtkind	i think its reasonable because rakudo is not too fast so we cant load too much text on it
23:50	lichtkind	and so you have also nice cooperation with perl 6 tpf wiki without too much doubling
23:51	viklund	its no problem having lots of text really, we cache the parsed text
23:52	viklund	it only make edits slow ;)
23:52	viklund	since that's when we parse
23:54	lichtkind	then preview would help :)
23:54	viklund	oh, that won't save you any time ;p
23:54	viklund	it still needs to be parsed ;)
23:55	lichtkind	no but shorten history
23:55	viklund	ah
23:55	lichtkind	i think it would help perl 6 to have a nice beginner friendly intro
23:56	lichtkind	now whenrakudo becomes really usable
23:57	viklund	probably, yes
23:58	lichtkind	so naovember can serve 2 purposes
23:59	viklund	yes