Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #november-wiki, 2009-06-25

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19:47 lichtkind_ viklund: hej
21:06 lichtkind viklund_: ah here you are :)
21:23 viklund_ yep
21:26 lichtkind viklund_: <complain mode>im worink here my ass off and nobody takes notice</>
21:26 lichtkind viklund_: what your doing recently
21:27 viklund_ oh, I'm looking into making a intermidiate AST of wikimarkups
21:27 viklund_ that would be nice for at least two reasons:
21:28 viklund_ 1. We can convert wiki markups between each other (way cool)
21:28 viklund_ 2. Plugins in november can work on this AST instead (then they will become easier to implement)
21:29 viklund_ If that works, I can reimplement the Tag-system as a plugin instead
21:29 viklund_ and making Table of Contents too will become a breeze
21:30 lichtkind ahh
21:31 lichtkind viklund_: like you  seen i completed and reformated special variables in the rgerman and english cheat sheet aka Appendix B
21:31 lichtkind viklund_: maybe will add some regex adverbs too
21:37 viklund_ that's really good work
21:37 viklund_ Have you made a table of traits somewhere?
21:37 lichtkind viklund_: shure sir, on the bottom oh whait what traits?
21:37 viklund_ (like is ro and is also and so forth)
21:38 viklund_ has @.kinder is ro
21:38 lichtkind ah not yet
21:38 viklund_ ro is a trait
21:38 viklund_ ok
21:38 lichtkind i know read only
21:38 lichtkind but thanks for input
21:38 viklund_ yes, I thought you knew what it was
21:39 viklund_ sry, I thought you knew what it meant and what it did, but not necessarily what it was (a trait)
21:39 lichtkind and the good part is during writing ther perl 6 docs i figure out what we need that novermer doesn't suck
21:39 viklund_ Yea, that's good
21:39 lichtkind viklund_: yeah i know these traits but BEGIN {... } e.g. is a closure trait so i was asking which one
21:40 viklund_ ahh, ok
21:40 viklund_ language impedance then
21:40 lichtkind there is much recycling in perl 6 my last post was about that
21:40 viklund_ yes, haven't read it yet, where is it again?
21:40 viklund_ or where you on planet perl 6 or smth?
21:40 lichtkind its allright to call them all traits because the mechanism which handles them is the same
21:41 lichtkind viklund_: yes since yesterday im on planet
21:41 viklund_ ok, maybe I should start reading those ;)
21:41 lichtkind viklund_: it where just musings about sintax
21:42 viklund_ ok
21:45 lichtkind viklund_: what really sucks on Twiki is that if you want to insert link anchors in the middle of text in inserts for you newlines while saving, please never do that action
21:46 lichtkind its very important to have always full control
21:46 lichtkind and to have an easy means to disable any wikisyntax
21:46 lichtkind because i really suffere to write p6 operators and have wikisynatx in same document
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21:47 viklund_ Maybe you should define a wikisyntax?
21:47 viklund_ I don't mean that you should implement it
21:47 lichtkind i understood
21:47 viklund_ only write a document saying, this should mean that
21:47 lichtkind i dont hase to bee completely new just take best parts of twiki, wikimedia and socialtext
21:47 viklund_ yes
21:48 lichtkind that would be great
21:48 lichtkind what also rules is to have POD as valid WIKI markup
21:48 lichtkind like the POD wiki does
21:48 lichtkind which is neat project by the way
21:48 lichtkind their design sucks  a bit
21:49 viklund_ yes, mberends is supposed to be working on a POD-parser in perl6, but that's stalled according to masak
21:49 lichtkind but thomas is great guy
21:49 viklund_ POD is one of the markups we want to support
21:50 lichtkind and how you define which markup a site have
21:50 viklund_ we have a config file
21:50 lichtkind i have an great ide a make a iki page in november to leave my markup plans :)
21:51 viklund_ would be great
21:51 lichtkind what really rules are {section: ch} in socialtext
21:51 viklund_ it would also be nice if you could say "I want to edit this page using This markup"
21:51 viklund_ though, that might not always be possible
21:51 lichtkind or even mix it :)
21:51 viklund_ yes
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21:52 lichtkind always to the limit :)
22:04 lichtkind viklund_: i will insert them here: http://www.perlfoundation.org/perl6/ind​ex.cgi?perl_lookup_table#routine_traits
22:04 zarah lichtkind's link is also http://tinyurl.com/npfme7
22:04 viklund_ nice
22:04 viklund_ and then you have class traits ;)
22:05 lichtkind stooop
22:05 viklund_ hahaha
22:05 lichtkind i like the illusion beeing almos complete
22:06 lichtkind would november survive pages with 500 revisions?
22:09 lichtkind http://www.perlfoundation.​org/perl6/index.cgi?perl_6
22:09 zarah lichtkind's link is also http://tinyurl.com/nuzxhe
22:09 lichtkind this should be repared too
22:11 lichtkind viklund_: is in english big diff between tablet and table?
22:15 viklund_ I don't know the difference between tablet and table
22:16 viklund_ why do you ask about 500 revisions?
22:16 viklund_ it's all stored in textfiles, I think it should survive
22:16 lichtkind because some wikis get very slow then
22:16 viklund_ oh, it will get slow if you start looking at history I suppose
22:16 lichtkind sorry you are no php programmer
22:17 lichtkind no also a bit earlier
22:17 viklund_ but as things stand now I don't think it will be slower to look at the up to date pages
22:17 lichtkind wikipedia had this too at some time
22:17 viklund_ but wikipedia has a lot of articles with more than 500 revisions
22:17 lichtkind of course good sofware design is half of the rent
22:17 viklund_ yes
22:18 viklund_ our datamodel is pretty ok right now I think
22:18 lichtkind shure i have more then 7000 edits third of them in perl namespace
22:18 viklund_ the only real issue is that we use the filesystem
22:18 viklund_ ;)
22:18 lichtkind and many of my edits are deleted now
22:18 lichtkind i mean deleted out of hiostory
22:19 lichtkind no db? omg we all gonna dieeee :)
22:19 viklund_ hehe
22:21 lichtkind not many know that some people delete "junk" out of the history
22:21 viklund_ I didn't know that
22:21 viklund_ but I guess they should have some kind of cleaning
22:25 lichtkind viklund_: yes but depends on who does it and in german does it also one of the ..maybe the only woman i ever wanted to beat seriously
22:26 lichtkind i know doesnt sound like love and light :)
22:26 lichtkind but im honest
22:27 viklund_ oh, well
22:31 lichtkind the real dangerous thing behind that if people see others with different views as a thread
22:31 lichtkind threat
22:32 lichtkind then they are capable of strange things
22:32 lichtkind you dont have to weare a swastika to be nazi
22:33 lichtkind its the meaning, i mean coca cola printed postcards with luck symbols like the swastika :)
22:33 lichtkind in 1910 :)
22:33 lichtkind allright lets turn to something lighter :)
22:44 viklund_ yes
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22:53 lichtkind_ we slowly get somewhere
22:53 lichtkind_ http://wiki.perl-community.de/cgi-bin/foswiki/view​/Wissensbasis/PerlTafelAnhangB#Regex_Modifikatoren
22:53 zarah lichtkind_'s link is also http://tinyurl.com/l537br

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